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Following Dr Trump's Medical Advice...
delta1 Offline
#101 Posted:
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thanks Spey

easy to see who the angry one is...he's even got it in his handle...


I still think that if I ever meet DMV, we can have a smoke and a drink amiably
DrMaddVibe Offline
#102 Posted:
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FDA approves emergency use of malaria pill for COVID-19 treatment


The Food and Drug Administration on Sunday approved the anecdotally promising malaria drug for emergency use to treat hospitalized patients for COVID-19.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) said in a statement it has accepted 30 million doses of hydroxychloroquine sulfate donated by Sandoz, the Novartis (NVS) generics and biosimilars division, and one million doses of chloroquine phosphate donated by Bayer Pharmaceuticals (BAYRY).

The drug is currently being tested in New York hospitals.

The drug’s effects on patients has result in a shortage for patients who use it for arthritis and lupus, and there have been reports of hoarding among medical professionals. Several states recently took steps to limit the number of prescriptions filled, by forcing increased accountability of who is prescribing the drug and why.


On March 20, Novartis said it, “intends to donate up to 130 million 200-mg doses by the end of May, including its current stock of 50 million 200-mg doses. The company is also exploring further scaling of capacity to increase supply and is committed to working with manufacturers around the world to meet global demand. Novartis’ Sandoz division currently only holds a registration for hydroxychloroquine in the U.S., and will pursue appropriate regulatory authorizations from the U.S. FDA and the European Medicines Agency.”

On March 19, Bayer announced it would donate 3 million doses.

In a statement, HHS reiterated the drug still only has anecdotal evidence to support its efficacy.

“Anecdotal reports suggest that these drugs may offer some benefit in the treatment of hospitalized COVID-19 patients. Clinical trials are needed to provide scientific evidence that these treatments are effective,” according to the statement.

Earlier Sunday, Novartis CEO told a German newspaper the drug was effective, saying, “Pre-clinical studies in animals as well as the first data from clinical studies show that hydroxychloroquine kills the coronavirus.”

President Donald Trump touted the drug’s efficacy based on the anecdotes, meanwhile Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases, has cautioned against promoting unproven medical treatments.

https://news.yahoo.com/fda-approves-emergency-use-of-malaria-pill-for-covid-19-treatment-133908197.html


I bet liars hate this news
DrMaddVibe Offline
#103 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
easy to see who the angry one is...he's even got it in his handle...


I still think that if I ever meet DMV, we can have a smoke and a drink amiably



Yawn...

https://drmadvibe.com/

But please keep telling yourself those wonderful fairy tales.
Speyside Offline
#104 Posted:
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I don't know what kind of efficacy it will have. I do like the speed at which it is moving forward so we can quickly find out.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#105 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
I don't know what kind of efficacy it will have. I do like the speed at which it is moving forward so we can quickly find out.



Europe is spearheading the way with Australia a close 2nd. I'm encouraged that these behemoth government agencies are actually putting it into 2nd gear instead of park with the air-conditioning on.

https://www.livescience.com/hydroxychloroquine-prevent-covid-19-study.html
delta1 Offline
#106 Posted:
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so are you saying you aren't interested in having a cigar and drink, DMV?
frankj1 Offline
#107 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
so are you saying you aren't interested in having a cigar and drink, DMV?

Caren won't wanna go so you can be my plus 1
delta1 Offline
#108 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
FDA approves emergency use of malaria pill for COVID-19 treatment


...

President Donald Trump touted the drug’s efficacy based on the anecdotes, meanwhile Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases, has cautioned against promoting unproven medical treatments.

https://news.yahoo.com/fda-approves-emergency-use-of-malaria-pill-for-covid-19-treatment-133908197.html[/b][/i]

I bet liars hate this news


but....didn't you say Trump was only saying "chance" ? You said he wasn't talking about effectiveness...

no worries...

I hope it is a life saver and it'll the the biggest game changer in the history of medicine...we need all the help we can get to beat back this plague...who knows, if a loved one contracts the virus, that drug could be a life saver...
delta1 Offline
#109 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
Caren won't wanna go so you can be my plus 1



which one of us has to wear the dress?
rfenst Offline
#110 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
which one of us has to wear the dress?

Frank's tripod is too long for a dress!
delta1 Offline
#111 Posted:
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Anxious

what about my droopy mustache?
frankj1 Offline
#112 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Frank's tripod is too long for a dress!

I hired the right attorney!
delta1 Offline
#113 Posted:
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he's right...a mustache will grow back...
frankj1 Offline
#114 Posted:
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do I need to come in or can I just honk when I pull up?
izonfire Offline
#115 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
do I need to come in or can I just honk when I pull up?

Well, you’re gonna come in eventually, right?
delta1 Offline
#116 Posted:
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I'm gonna wear a skimpy low cut red cocktail dress...it'll be worth getting out of the car...


and...I may need you to help get DMV offa me...kinda hard to run with 6 inch spikes...
teedubbya Offline
#117 Posted:
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Just quit using Ox musk for cologne and he will find someone else.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#118 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
I'm gonna wear a skimpy low cut red cocktail dress...it'll be worth getting out of the car...


and...I may need you to help get DMV offa me...kinda hard to run with 6 inch spikes...


You 2 Klingers yuck it up and have a good time. Sounds like you already have plans.

Whew.

frankj1 Offline
#119 Posted:
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Kilinger!
forgot about him.

Al just wants in on the herf, Doc.
teedubbya Offline
#120 Posted:
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Max was a looker.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#121 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
Kilinger!
forgot about him.

Al just wants in on the herf, Doc.



Naw, you 2 snowballs have a blast. Take lots of pics or it never happened!
delta1 Offline
#122 Posted:
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if you're not gonna be there, I aint wearing the dress...


btw: thanks for the tip about DMV, aka Angelo Moore.... never heard of him, yet he's from the valley, NE part of the L.A. area...cool sounds w Fishbone
Brewha Offline
#123 Posted:
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I wonder if DMV really is a shirtless guy wearing a tie......
rfenst Offline
#124 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I wonder if DMV really is a shirtless guy wearing a tie......

Nausea is setting in.
Brewha Offline
#125 Posted:
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Don’t go to his web site -just don’t.
Speyside Offline
#126 Posted:
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Dr Trump has a website?
fiddler898 Offline
#127 Posted:
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And still, two weeks later, he continues...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/06/coronavirus-fauci-trumpdrugs/
rfenst Offline
#128 Posted:
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fiddler898 wrote:
And still, two weeks later, he continues...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/06/coronavirus-fauci-trumpdrugs/

He can not stop himself. Almost no self-control. It's pathological...
delta1 Offline
#129 Posted:
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our POTUS...the Snake Oil peddler..."who knows, it might work...whaddya got to lose?"

his kids musta invested a lot of his money in the hydroxychloroquine manufacturer...
Speyside Offline
#130 Posted:
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I feel the worst for people who truely need hydoxycloroquin.
teedubbya Offline
#131 Posted:
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But wait...there’s more. If you act now we’ll throw in this golden toupee ... that’s a $50 value!
delta1 Offline
#132 Posted:
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exactly...saw several articles where some lupus patients couldn't get their scripts filled...

and I fear that off-label prescribing in unsafe dosages will cause more harm than good...

some doctors are hoarding this stuff to make a killing...
frankj1 Offline
#133 Posted:
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From Associated Press:

Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro (TRADE ADVISER!!!), "who has no formal medical training, erupted at Fauci" as he stated that reports he had seen of studies looked like enough to recommend the anti-malaria drug(s).

As to Fauci saying that only anecdotal findings were not enough "I would have two words for you: second opinion"...said Navarro to CNN Monday.

Meanwhile AMA president Dr. Patrice Harris pointed out some largely known but downplayed/unmentioned potentially severe side effects of the drug such as the "high risk of causing heart rhythm problems" would prevent her from prescribing it to coronavirus patients without large studies demonstrating it's safety. "People have their health to lose," she said. "Your heart could stop."

I guess that's an answer to our top officials' question..."what have you got to lose?"

So far I have not seen any experts denying that this and other drugs not yet hyped by the Trump administration hold promise. But I am hearing that well known severe risks need to be assessed before authorizing the reckless prescribing which could potentially be a...

wait for it...

cure worse than the illness!

iirc, Dr. Trump has warned the nation about taking that road already.
fiddler898 Offline
#134 Posted:
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The man is clearly in over his head. With each briefing he sounds even more clueless than the last one.
delta1 Offline
#135 Posted:
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behind the curtain...behold.......................................... the Wizard of Alls!!!



"I'm a Wartime President!!!!"

"no, I don't take responsibility"

"the stockpile is ours, we need it for the federal government"
Dg west deptford Offline
#136 Posted:
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"Democrat representative saved by Trump's medical advice."
Yep she actually credits Trump with saving her life
I'm sure you've seen the story and many like it and thought of your foolish words in this thread.
Why is the left so stuck on stupid? How did a 50+year old, off patent, cheap, safe, readily available drug that works soooo well against this disease become a political thing?
Derangement syndrome silliness. Ohh the FDA didn't take years to approve it for this purpose. Riiight.
You guys make it too easy.
My apologies if someone else already posted a reference to this great story. You can't make this stuff up. Too good.
tonygraz Offline
#137 Posted:
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Typical Republican propaganda. Find someone to use as an example to show your side is right - whether its correct, unique or just made up. The stupid will always believe the con artist who says "people are saying". Note in the example above that there is no specific name or representative of what given. No drug name given and no mention of the fact that it was first mentioned on a political "news" show. And not even a suggestion that there may be side effects that could actually kill the user (heart fluctuation).
Speyside Offline
#138 Posted:
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Glad you're convinced DG. Me, I need proof instead of guesses. No one has yet demonstrated any medications efficacy against COVID19. But don't worry about the problems it can create that will kill you. Just keep on keeping on. Orange fluffers need to pump up Trump at the expense of truth. So she is one of the 97% of the survivors that have COVID19. Yeah, that makes it a fact that the medication works. Oh, I forgot, you have a PHD in epidemiology. Oh, yeah, your 30 years is infectious disease control. So go on believing Trump and ignoring Faucci. Because we all know Faucci doesn't know a thing. Have you even read the facts about the malaria medications usefulness in humans for Corona viruses in humans? Turns out they don't work. Oh, but they do in test toobs so Beaker is safe.
CelticBomber Offline
#139 Posted:
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Dg west deptford wrote:
"Democrat representative saved by Trump's medical advice."
Yep she actually credits Trump with saving her life
I'm sure you've seen the story and many like it and thought of your foolish words in this thread.
Why is the left so stuck on stupid? How did a 50+year old, off patent, cheap, safe, readily available drug that works soooo well against this disease become a political thing?
Derangement syndrome silliness. Ohh the FDA didn't take years to approve it for this purpose. Riiight.
You guys make it too easy.
My apologies if someone else already posted a reference to this great story. You can't make this stuff up. Too good.



A drug that works so well? According to whom? Let's give you the retarded benefit of the doubt. Let's say this person had covid and was give the drug... How do YOU know it was the drug that helped her recover? How does SHE know? Most recover on their own. This one unverified case has you convinced? You've figured out the grand conspiracy the FDA is involved in?

You've never been accused of being a deep thinker have you.


Yes. I used the "R" word. It's never been more appropriate.... the left is stuck on stupid, yeah, go with that. Geez.... Beside's we all know this was spread by G5 right? This is population control! It was released by the US Army in China. It was genetically engineered by China to blame the US. Who shot Jr? Who shot Mr Burns? Maggie was a patsy. Vaccine's are bad cause the internet says so. This is the level of stupid you are spouting. Worst part is you won't even consider you might be caught up in the rhetoric wars. You KNOW you're right... right?
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#140 Posted:
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Meh. I wouldn't get on him too hard. Puddin's been pushing this theory a lot as well. Hell, MACS is pushing it in another thread.

People get stuck on anecdotal evidence (as the Michigan House Rep did, by assuming they were saved by this hydroxychloroquinone). I've come to the realization that there is no way to fight people's affinity for anecdotal evidence. It seems almost hardwired into our brains. This is why the scientific method needs to be rigorous, and why we have to adhere to it. Otherwise we follow these little anecdotes which may be meaningless when looked at across the statistics of the disease.
teedubbya Offline
#141 Posted:
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I've decided to stop pushing back on it because I hope it really works..... and folks are willing to ignore hundreds that die while taking it to grab on to the one that lives without providing any causality.

Some are accusing Trump of having financial motivation to push this. I think that it is nonsense. If it works he can claim how smart he is, if it doesn't it will not be possible to quantify the harm he's doing pushing a drug that lowers immune response during a pandemic where it is confusing whether it is the virus or the immune response killing folks. That is truly the decision to be made when taking the drug. He's pushing it as a prophylactic though. Lower your immune response up front. It's a big leap.

The best scientific study could show the harm but it would just be fake anyway.

I think some folks just want to be smarter on a subject than they really are, and some want ratings. Both fit Trump. Others just really need hope and I get that. There is equally or greater reason to have hope on some other avenues though.

Meh... I still hope he and they are right but I'd take one of the other cures as well. The approach is absurd and irresponsible though.
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#142 Posted:
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Question:
If your loved one were dying of the Covid, would you agree to try this medicine?
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#143 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:


I think some folks just want to be smarter on a subject than they really are, and some want ratings. Both fit Trump. Others just really need hope and I get that. There is equally or greater reason to have hope on some other avenues though.

Meh... I still hope he and they are right but I'd take one of the other cures as well. The approach is absurd and irresponsible though.


I remember a podcast a couple years ago... I swear it was an episode of You Are Not So Smart, but for the life of me cannot find the correct one. Essentially it focused on why we are so bad at this.... ie, why a couple anecdotal successes means more in our heads than actual statistics. What I mean is, it isn't necessarily people wanting to be smart... I think this has actual meaning to them.
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tailgater wrote:
Question:
If your loved one were dying of the Covid, would you agree to try this medicine?



If the doc recommended it yes. But not because the President did. It's like a bad infomercial telling you to pressure your doc in to prescribing things. But towards the end yes. I'd probably take whatever they told me to just like I did with my surgery. They pretty much told me what they were giving me rather than ask. I could have refused but I trusted their care. I'd do the same in this situation. But I didn't have the Prez pushing them to give me anything against the advice of their Associations and the clinical world. I took a gout drug to help my pericardial effusion.

And absolutely not as a prophylactic as the president has pushed until there is at least one decent study or unless I was part of a clinical trial. It suppresses the immune system which is appropriate sometimes but other times catastrophic.

Isn't it funny folks ignore the one comment Danm made about his direct experience with it?

It isn't the President's role to push a specific drug that is at odds with his on clinical experts and against the advice of all the professional associations.

I know I know stable genius and common sense trump science. And besides if it works you can represent comments like mine as saying it wouldn't even though that is not what I am saying. Win-Win
CelticBomber Offline
#145 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Question:
If your loved one were dying of the Covid, would you agree to try this medicine?



Based on the advice of Dr. Trump and the internet vs actual MD's. virologists, and various other researchers?

That's going to be a negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full.


That kind of question is the same thinking that has desperately ill people flying to third world countries to get ripped off because 'Hey, who know's right?" False hope does more harm than good. The End.

Let's see what actual science say's first.
teedubbya Offline
#146 Posted:
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The thing is we will know pretty quickly. Better studies are not far off. And I truly hope it proves effective.
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tailgater wrote:
Question:
If your loved one were dying of the Covid, would you agree to try this medicine?


I likely wouldn't bother.

There's literally no known method through which this should work. That means they're literally grasping at theories... they are suggesting it's impact as an anti-inflammatory is avoiding a cytokine storm, they're thinking because it's mildly basic it's inhibiting endosome uptake of the viral particles in the cell (ps, if that's the theory, then there's probably other problems, because that's an important function)

What I'm getting at, is that without a clear pathway of function, something we actually understand, then it's VERY difficult to give the study the benefit of the doubt. They need to show clear, statistically significant effects for me to accept their handwaving "maybe it works like this, but we're not sure".
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victor809 wrote:
I remember a podcast a couple years ago... I swear it was an episode of You Are Not So Smart, but for the life of me cannot find the correct one. Essentially it focused on why we are so bad at this.... ie, why a couple anecdotal successes means more in our heads than actual statistics. What I mean is, it isn't necessarily people wanting to be smart... I think this has actual meaning to them.



If you have time left after you do your hair you should read Talking With Strangers. It deals with exactly this kind of thinking and gives a lot of real world examples of the world losing their minds.... Then the actual facts and science are presented. What the world believes and what study after study reveals are polar opposites. It's scary.
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#149 Posted:
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CelticBomber wrote:
If you have time left after you do your hair you should read Talking With Strangers. It deals with exactly this kind of thinking and gives a lot of real world examples of the world losing their minds.... Then the actual facts and science are presented. What the world believes and what study after study reveals are polar opposites. It's scary.


Pshh. You assume I can't listen to it while I'm doing my hair?
teedubbya Offline
#150 Posted:
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This is what the docs are looking at at the moment. I've posted it before but it was updated yesterday. IDGAF what Prez of his outlets preach.



Investigational approaches — A number of investigational approaches are being explored for antiviral treatment of COVID-19, and enrollment in clinical trials should be discussed with patients or their proxies. A registry of international clinical trials can be found on the WHO website and at clinicaltrials.gov.

Certain investigational agents have been described in observational series or are being used anecdotally based on in vitro or extrapolated evidence. It is important to acknowledge that there are no controlled data supporting the use of any of these agents, and their efficacy for COVID-19 is unknown.

●Remdesivir – Several randomized trials are underway to evaluate the efficacy of remdesivir for moderate or severe COVID-19 [110]. Remdesivir is a novel nucleotide analogue that has activity against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in vitro and related coronaviruses (including SARS and MERS-CoV) both in vitro and in animal studies [111,112]. Remdesivir is an intravenous agent; reported side effects include nausea, vomiting, and transaminase elevations. It is also prepared in a cyclodextrin vehicle, so there is concern for potentially toxic accumulation of the vehicle in renal impairment. Exclusion criteria vary by trials but include alanine aminotransferase level >5 times the upper limit of normal and chronic kidney disease (creatinine clearance <30 or <50 mL/min, depending on the trial); some trials also exclude use of a different COVID-19-targeted therapy within 24 hours prior to remdesivir initiation. Remdesivir may be available through compassionate use for pregnant women and children. Use of remdesivir has been described in case series [113,114]; systematic evaluation of the clinical impact of remdesivir on COVID-19 has not yet been published.

●Chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine – Both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have been reported to inhibit SARS-CoV-2 in vitro, although hydroxychloroquine appears to have more potent antiviral activity [115].

Clinical data evaluating hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine are limited, and their efficacy against SARS-CoV-2 is unknown. Nevertheless, given the lack of clearly effective interventions and the in vitro antiviral activity, some clinicians think it is reasonable to use hydroxychloroquine in hospitalized patients with severe disease or risk for severe disease who are not eligible for clinical trials. In the United States, the FDA issued an emergency use authorization to allow the use of these agents in adolescents or adults hospitalized for COVID-19 when participation in clinical trials is not feasible [116]. However, if these agents are used outside of a clinical trial, the possibility of drug toxicity (including QTc prolongation, in particular, as well as cardiomyopathy and retinal toxicity) and drug interactions should be considered prior to use, especially in individuals who may be more susceptible to these effects, and the patients should be monitored closely for adverse effects during use. The American College of Cardiology has suggested QTc monitoring parameters in this setting [117]. Optimal dosing is uncertain; the FDA suggests hydroxychloroquine 800 mg on day 1 then 400 mg daily and chloroquine 1 g on day 1 then 500 mg daily, each for four to seven days total depending on clinical response [116]. Other hydroxychloroquine regimens used include 400 mg twice daily on day 1 then daily for five days, 400 mg twice daily on day 1 then 200 mg twice daily for four days, and 600 mg twice daily on day 1 then 400 mg daily for four days [118].

Use of chloroquine is included in treatment guidelines from China's National Health Commission and was reportedly associated with reduced progression of disease and decreased duration of symptoms [119,120]. However, primary data supporting these claims have not been published [121]. A randomized trial of patients with mild COVID-19 pneumonia and no hypoxia reported that adding hydroxychloroquine to standard of care resulted in faster time to improvement in fever, cough, and chest imaging findings and possibly a lower likelihood of progression to severe disease, but the trial has not been published in a peer-reviewed journal [122], and there are concerns about concomitant co-therapies, baseline differences between the groups, and the lack of a placebo control.

Published clinical data on either of these agents are limited. In an open-label study of 36 patients with COVID-19, use of hydroxychloroquine (200 mg three times per day for 10 days) was associated with a higher rate of undetectable SARS-CoV-2 RNA on nasopharyngeal specimens at day 6 compared with no specific treatment (70 versus 12.5 percent) [123]. In this study, the use of azithromycin in combination with hydroxychloroquine appeared to be associated with a more rapid decline in viral RNA; however there are methodologic concerns about the control groups for the study, the biologic basis for using azithromycin in this setting is unclear, and another small observational study in patients with more severe illness did not suggest rapid viral RNA clearance with the combination [124]. In a randomized trial of 30 adults with COVID-19 in Shanghai, the proportion of patients with nasopharyngeal viral clearance at day 7 was not different with hydroxychloroquine (400 mg daily for five days) compared with standard of care, and one patient in the hydroxychloroquine group progressed to severe disease; interferon and other antiviral agents were used in both arms, which could be confounding factors [125].

●IL-6 pathway inhibitors – Clinical features consistent with a cytokine release syndrome with elevated interleukin (IL)-6 levels have been described in patients with severe COVID-19. Anecdotal reports have described good outcomes with the IL-6 receptor inhibitor tocilizumab [78], but there are no published clinical data supporting its use. Treatment guidelines from China's National Health Commission include tocilizumab for patients with severe COVID-19 and elevated IL-6 levels. This agent, as well as sarilumab and siltuximab, which also target the IL-6 pathway, are being evaluated in clinical trials [126].

●Convalescent plasma – In the United States, the Food and Drug Administration is accepting emergency investigational new drug applications for use of convalescent plasma for patients with severe or life-threatening COVID-19 [127]. A case series described administration of plasma from donors who had completely recovered from COVID-19 to five patients with severe COVID-19 on mechanical ventilation and persistently high viral titers despite investigational antiviral treatment [34]. The patients had decreased nasopharyngeal viral load, decreased disease severity score, and improved oxygenation by 12 days after transfusion, but these findings do not establish a causal effect. Finding appropriate donors and establishing testing to confirm neutralizing activity of plasma may be logistical challenges. (See "Clinical use of plasma components", section on 'Convalescent plasma'.)

●Favipiravir – Favipiravir is an RNA polymerase inhibitor that is available in some Asian countries for treatment of influenza and is being evaluated in clinical trials for treatment of COVID-19. Published clinical data are pending.

●Lopinavir-ritonavir – Lopinavir-ritonavir appears to have little to no role in the treatment of SARS-CoV-2 infection. This combined protease inhibitor, which has primarily been used for HIV infection, has in vitro activity against the SARS-CoV [128] and appears to have some activity against MERS-CoV in animal studies [129]. However, there was no difference in time to clinical improvement or mortality at 28 days in a randomized trial of 199 patients with severe COVID-19 given lopinavir-ritonavir (400/100 mg) twice daily for 14 days in addition to standard care versus those who received standard of care alone [130].


I actually laughed when the Prez bashed the WHO and accused them of minimizing things (which is what he did) and said he was putting a strong hold on their funding. Then when questoned if it was a good time to freeze funding for the WHO he said he wasn't doing it. Doublespeak and it works.

The WHO has become the villain through certain outlets and it was predictable. It has to be their fault because we certainly wouldn't have minimized it had we known. Folks were screaming this isn't the flu but no one wanted to believe it in the Admin, as well as their followers. Don't be a blind follower.
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