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#CHOP gets the axe...
victor809 Offline
#51 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
It was kinda to make that sort of leap.


I'm sure there were people in every hate group who were convinced they definitely weren't racist.
I'm also sure there were people who were friends with people in hate groups who convinced themselves they weren't racist.

Whatever makes you comfortable HD.


Speyside Offline
#52 Posted:
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Victor, though on a small scale, with no leadership to speak of this is akin to the Confederacy in that these are enemy combatants. Clearly there is only one answer. Lets build a lot of statues honoring them now that they are part of our history.
victor809 Offline
#53 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Victor, though on a small scale, with no leadership to speak of this is akin to the Confederacy in that these are enemy combatants. Clearly there is only one answer. Lets build a lot of statues honoring them now that they are part of our history.

true....true... it's the only logical solution.
tonygraz Offline
#54 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Why does it have to be one or the other?


true, true - could even more likely be a double dip.
Abrignac Offline
#55 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
True... stupid of me to think that someone who would vote for trump at this time would be bothered by being comfortable with racists.


There are two candidates running. So your premise is that since white suprematists are as you say voting for one, then no one else should be comfortable voting for him? That makes you a hypocrite. You’ve stated you’re conservative. Yet, don’t most white supremacists tend to vote for conservative candidates? So if you vote for these candidates then aren’t you infact voting for candidates who in addition to your vote also receive white supremacists votes?

Pot meet kettle.
Abrignac Offline
#56 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Not sure I buy that. Why would businesses be forced to shut down because there are people in front of them? Sorta what you want as a business.

And the shootings? Big meh there. Depending on the location, that's fewer people shot than moving protests. Last I saw (which was a bit ago) they didn't know whether they were involved in the CHOP, or if they were those wild and crazy boobaloo boys or what.


People either stayed away from or were prevented from entering the zone. Thus less patrons. Less patrons = less revenue.
victor809 Offline
#57 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
There are two candidates running. So your premise is that since white suprematists are as you say voting for one, then no one else should be comfortable voting for him? That makes you a hypocrite. You’ve stated you’re conservative. Yet, don’t most white supremacists tend to vote for conservative candidates? So if you vote for these candidates then aren’t you infact voting for candidates who in addition to your vote also receive white supremacists votes?

Pot meet kettle.


That's exactly my point. It would be different if you saw two candidates and the "white supremacist support" was split between the two... or even 70-30.... but when 98.2% of all white supremacists support one candidate (official cbid made up statistic, you can tell by the number. But I don't see anyone challenging the idea) then you have to ask yourself what it is that they are doing which makes them so damn appealing to those people.

And yes, that would be hypocritical of me if I voted for conservatives. But I don't. I can't, because I will not align myself with them. In the past (pre-trump) I was willing to. And before twitler got the nomination I was prepared to vote for one of 2 or 3 of the Republican candidates over Clinton. I may prefer to have a more conservative government (actual conservative, not current republican nonsense) but I refuse to be associated with the people currently supporting the president. They are legitimizing racism by trying to hide it in politics.
victor809 Offline
#58 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
People either stayed away from or were prevented from entering the zone. Thus less patrons. Less patrons = less revenue.


Do we actually know this? In the middle of a pandemic, where businesses across the city are shut down for covid, why would you think it'd be a protest that would keep people away?
clintCigar Offline
#59 Posted:
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CHOP got CHOPPED LOL
Speyside Offline
#60 Posted:
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It appears to me his premise is anyone who votes for him is voting for someone white supremacists as a whole are voting for.
HockeyDad Offline
#61 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
That's exactly my point. It would be different if you saw two candidates and the "white supremacist support" was split between the two... or even 70-30.... but when 98.2% of all white supremacists support one candidate (official cbid made up statistic, you can tell by the number. But I don't see anyone challenging the idea) then you have to ask yourself what it is that they are doing which makes them so damn appealing to those people.

And yes, that would be hypocritical of me if I voted for conservatives. But I don't. I can't, because I will not align myself with them. In the past (pre-trump) I was willing to. And before twitler got the nomination I was prepared to vote for one of 2 or 3 of the Republican candidates over Clinton. I may prefer to have a more conservative government (actual conservative, not current republican nonsense) but I refuse to be associated with the people currently supporting the president. They are legitimizing racism by trying to hide it in politics.


I’ll challenge the fabricated straw man statistic. Current polling shows the racist vote to be running almost 50/50 between Biden and Trump.

I’m starting to get the feeling that you aren’t going to vote for Trump. I understand the struggle of having to choose between what you see as this new wave Trump racism versus Biden’s old style traditional Democrat racism. It’s like when you visit a grandparent and they say “negro” during conversation at dinner. You know you’re supposed to be horrified but...well...that’s just how grandpa is.
Abrignac Offline
#62 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Do we actually know this? In the middle of a pandemic, where businesses across the city are shut down for covid, why would you think it'd be a protest that would keep people away?


Let’s not confuse a peaceful protest with an armed invasion and occupation. The CHOPpers enforced a residents only policy. So if outsiders wanted to patronize the businesses they were prevented from doing so. Add to that the fact that most people avoid conflict when possible and an idiot should see the parallel. But, then you have people who will act like that guy with the invisible clothes who ignores any logic at all to try to prove he’s smarter than everyone else. A well edumacated dumbass if you will.

teedubbya Offline
#63 Posted:
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Is that why Trump is tweeting videos of screaming champs yelling white power wearing Maga hats because he’s losing ground on the white supremacist crowd?
victor809 Offline
#64 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
Let’s not confuse a peaceful protest with an armed invasion and occupation. The CHOPpers enforced a residents only policy. So if outsiders wanted to patronize the businesses they were prevented from doing so. Add to that the fact that most people avoid conflict when possible and an idiot should see the parallel. But, then you have people who will act like that guy with the invisible clothes who ignores any logic at all to try to prove he’s smarter than everyone else. A well edumacated dumbass if you will.


What makes you think outsiders are not allowed? I've seen video of people just entering and leaving. Hell those proud boys racists went in. You keep stating things which are easily disproven.
victor809 Offline
#65 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I’ll challenge the fabricated straw man statistic. Current polling shows the racist vote to be running almost 50/50 between Biden and Trump.

I’m starting to get the feeling that you aren’t going to vote for Trump. I understand the struggle of having to choose between what you see as this new wave Trump racism versus Biden’s old style traditional Democrat racism. It’s like when you visit a grandparent and they say “negro” during conversation at dinner. You know you’re supposed to be horrified but...well...that’s just how grandpa is.


Yes, as with everything this election, it's a matter of choosing the "lesser of two weevils".
Rather than trump's screaming racism (note - I did NOT say racists were 98.2% for trump. I stated white supremacists. I still stand by that number, you have shown me nothing to indicate otherwise), I have to accept Biden's general acceptance of institutional racism.
Rather than trump's 23 rape accusations, I have to settle for Biden's 1 or 2 or something...

I'm not seeing how you're trying to make an argument.
delta1 Offline
#66 Posted:
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sure are a lot of people outraged at people for calling out racism
victor809 Offline
#67 Posted:
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To be fair, even people who support BLM were a little wary of CHOP by the end. It truly did morph into its own little protest.... a bit of this and a bit of that. I wouldn't call CHOP a BLM protest by the end... It was a bit more occupy wall-street, but with wall street being the Seattle police.
HockeyDad Offline
#68 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Yes, as with everything this election, it's a matter of choosing the "lesser of two weevils".
Rather than trump's screaming racism (note - I did NOT say racists were 98.2% for trump. I stated white supremacists. I still stand by that number, you have shown me nothing to indicate otherwise), I have to accept Biden's general acceptance of institutional racism.
Rather than trump's 23 rape accusations, I have to settle for Biden's 1 or 2 or something...

I'm not seeing how you're trying to make an argument.


You are standing by a number you made up and somehow think it is better than a number I made up which is simply incorrect and shows unconscious bias and therefore you are a racist.
teedubbya Offline
#69 Posted:
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I heard BLM is racist. Someone in it doesn’t like mt Rushmore and stuff.
Abrignac Offline
#70 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
What makes you think outsiders are not allowed? I've seen video of people just entering and leaving. Hell those proud boys racists went in. You keep stating things which are easily disproven.


So you’re going on record saying news reports of the chop “police” refusing entry to anyone who didn’t live in the area false?


Abrignac Offline
#71 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
What makes you think outsiders are not allowed? I've seen video of people just entering and leaving. Hell those proud boys racists went in. You keep stating things which are easily disproven.


So you’re going on record saying news reports of the chop “police” refusing entry to anyone who didn’t live in the area false?


victor809 Offline
#72 Posted:
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I'm saying I have seen no reputable reports that average citizens are kept from accessing the area.
I have heard of police not being allowed access, and I have heard of issues with proud boys idiots trying to enter with guns. Neither of those count as "average citizens" in my mind. Other than that I have seen video of people just entering with very little oversight. Not like the had a bunch of people patrolling 24/7, it's a hippie sit in.
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This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.
Joshua
#Law and order
teedubbya Offline
#74 Posted:
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Lol
victor809 Offline
#75 Posted:
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Dude's always out of left field.


Like a religious Mr Jones.
Dg west deptford Offline
#76 Posted:
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Religiosity is for the dead, think of me as a left fielder who Coach put in the to the RiGhT FieLd
teedubbya Offline
#77 Posted:
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Lol
Speyside Offline
#78 Posted:
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I am at a loss for words.
Speyside Offline
#79 Posted:
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What the hell does any of this particular thread have to do with religion? Take your biblical quotes and shove them up your ass. It's like listening to an Islamic fundamentalist when you ramble on.
victor809 Offline
#80 Posted:
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I can't even get mad at DG.... Dude's out there... But it's amusing.
teedubbya Offline
#81 Posted:
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I like him. It’s like having our own James Jones.
victor809 Offline
#82 Posted:
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exactly....
Speyside Offline
#83 Posted:
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Nah, he's just another comet rider. Also I don't need a church to commune with God. Nor do I need a book to be my source of everything. I read the bible and take it for what it is. A book that outlines a way to lead your life in a reasonable manner through stories that may be true but should not be taken literally in many places. When I want to know our law I find it in the Constitution. A Pagan Roman Emperor gave us the bible as a way for him to control Christisns who he was afraid would overthrow Rome. Tell people they are going to hell if they don't convert. You are proselytizing, I see no difference in that than lying. Tell LGBTQ people they are abominations, then you are the abomination. Don't take a stand when black churches are burnt, then you are a sinner. Tell me a hump who murders a black man who wasn't causing imminent threat to their life.was justified then you are a sinner.
izonfire Offline
#84 Posted:
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I thought you were at a loss for words...
Speyside Offline
#85 Posted:
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I was on Thursday. Not so much now. Though I am sorry that I offended the religious dogma you believe in.
delta1 Offline
#86 Posted:
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izon's Golden Labradoodle is fetching...
MACS Offline
#87 Posted:
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Let the good times roll...

You sure that ain't his sheep? Or goat?
izonfire Offline
#88 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Let the good times roll...

You sure that ain't his sheep? Or goat?

Hey,
no pokes at my livestock.

Only I can do that.
And COVID Corey...
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