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RMAN4443 Offline
#101 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I think it’s a safe assumption that it was the Russians that killed her.

I heard it was the Covid
frankj1 Offline
#102 Posted:
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Black Russians on the patio
RMAN4443 Offline
#103 Posted:
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good thing they weren't White Russians..... BRLM
frankj1 Offline
#104 Posted:
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ran out of milk
tailgater Offline
#105 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Dude.
Tally up to the total number of people and hours that have been spent protesting for more than a month now and multiply them together. (this gets you your total man hours)

Then do the same for the total number of people and hours that have been involved in violent activities (looting, rioting, burning).

I guarantee you that you're going to get a small percentage if you divide the second number by the first.


Didn't we already silently agree that it's counter productive to use such statistics?
If we do, then BLM needs to STFU about cops, because the bare numbers don't support their claims.
But like the priests before them, there are things that NEED to be addressed.
Bad cops shouldn't have a support network.
And murdering thugs shouldn't be protected by the BLM protesters.

Didn't think that even you and I could disagree on this one.

victor809 Offline
#106 Posted:
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Except none of what you imagine in that statement is true.

No one in BLM is protected from anything, protesters are arrested daily for both peaceful and non peaceful activities, and whoever shot the person will likely be arrested and prosecuted as well.

Police do have a support network, of other police as well as a legal framework protecting them under almost all situations.

You are living in a fantasy world of your own creation. No one can get you out of it.
ZRX1200 Offline
#107 Posted:
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Founded by Marxists and wants to destroy the nuclear family.

Sounds like a great group.

If you don’t think African Americans matter you’re a bad person.

If your a political BLM you’re also a bad person.
Buckwheat Offline
#108 Posted:
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Gene363 wrote:
Meh.


+1 fog

tailgater Offline
#109 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Except none of what you imagine in that statement is true.

No one in BLM is protected from anything, protesters are arrested daily for both peaceful and non peaceful activities, and whoever shot the person will likely be arrested and prosecuted as well.

Police do have a support network, of other police as well as a legal framework protecting them under almost all situations.

You are living in a fantasy world of your own creation. No one can get you out of it.


Huh?
You literally said the opposite of what I posted.
You'll stop at nothing to try to make your point.

Here. I'll spell it out for you:
I said "bad cops shouldn't have a support network".
You counter with "Police do have a support network, of other police blah blah blah"
Yet it's framed like you're contradicting me.

I said that murdering thugs shouldn't be protected by the BLM protesters.
You say essentially the same thing above.

So how can you begin your post with "none of what you imagine in that statement is true"?

nevermind.
We don't want to go down that rabbit hole mind of yours.

victor809 Offline
#110 Posted:
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You clearly don't see the bias in your statement. You made two parallel claims which in the structure is designed to imply equal weight in both credulity and importance


Quote:
Bad cops shouldn't have a support network.

is stating something which is occurring which you think (or pretend to think) should change. This is a credulous claim, as video evidence has shown. And is important, as officials with the power of the state behind them are expected to act in a responsible and fair manner.

Quote:
And murdering thugs shouldn't be protected by the BLM protesters.

is stating something which does not occur. This is thrown in there to allow you to pretend that you'd support the cause, but "aw shucks, they're just protecting too many murdering thugs". There is no credibility to the claim that they are protecting murderous thugs, nor is there as much importance to the idea, as citizens do not have the power of the state behind them.

So you're right, I shouldn't have started with "none of what you imagine is true". I should have started with "your imagination regarding murderous thugs and BLM is insane, but sure, you can pretend to care about the cops having a support network"


tailgater Offline
#111 Posted:
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umm, OK.
frankj1 Offline
#112 Posted:
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time to change the Redskins name.
bgz Offline
#113 Posted:
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^ probably about that time.

Can't say I'll miss it.
tailgater Offline
#114 Posted:
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It's the Redskins.

We should just eliminate them from the league.

tailgater Offline
#115 Posted:
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And although this is the one team name that a person could at least make a reasonable argument against, I find it petty and thin skinned to be so offended as to demand it be changed.

Keep it. Change it.
I won't lose sleep.

But we've become a nation of triggered snowflakes just looking to be offended.

Suck it up, buttercup.
We're not here to keep you safe from the word-demons.
bgz Offline
#116 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
It's the Redskins.

We should just eliminate them from the league.



That's so racist dude....

There's so few natives in the league already and you want to kick them out?

And who still calls us redskins in this day in age?
delta1 Offline
#117 Posted:
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we gotta go back and fix an old wrong in the record books: do we really want to see something as blatant as "Sonny Sixkiller" ???
frankj1 Offline
#118 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
we gotta go back and fix an old wrong in the record books: do we really want to see something as blatant as "Sonny Sixkiller" ???

great college QB!
Palama Offline
#119 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
great college QB!


He played in the Hula Bowl and I have his autograph somewhere in my box of memories.
frankj1 Offline
#120 Posted:
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I remember him at Washington but not much of any pro activity
Whistlebritches Offline
#121 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
time to change the Redskins name.



I vote the Redskins to change their name to the Dickskinners...........I think it'll bring them much more respect in the NFC East
Speyside Offline
#122 Posted:
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How about Dicksinners.
frankj1 Offline
#123 Posted:
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they'll always be losers with Snyder as the owner
Whistlebritches Offline
#124 Posted:
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Or the Kumquats
Palama Offline
#125 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I remember him at Washington but not much of any pro activity


Iirc, he played most, if not all of his pro career in Canada. He was on the shorter side, 6’ at the most and his scrambling style was better suited for the Northern league.

Edit: Googled him and although he had NFL and CFL tryouts, he only played in the WFL, the Hawaii team to be exact. Totally forgot about that.
Speyside Offline
#126 Posted:
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I think the only modern nfl player that stood out with any significant Indian heritage is Jim Plunkett. Obviously the great Indian player was Jim Thorpe.
frankj1 Offline
#127 Posted:
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Jim Thorpe, Carlisle Indian school.
designed to wipe out Indian culture...
tailgater Offline
#128 Posted:
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When/if Snyder changes the name, will the world breathe a collective sigh of relief?
Will it make people safer?
Will the entire DC metro region suddenly become less racist? More inclusive?

this is eyewash.
It will make a dozen people happy for about 28.2 minutes.
Several liberals will attempt a high five.
two will complete it successfully.
Snyder will play victim.
And sights will be set for the next travesty of nomenclature that is the bane of a civilized existence.
Nothing more.


izonfire Offline
#129 Posted:
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They’re not Indians you ignorant racists!
They’re Native Americans!!!

Nothing else you have posted will be considered.
You will be banned!!!
bgz Offline
#130 Posted:
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izon, tail once argued with me for about 2 pages about why he should be allowed to call me an injun.

His primary argument was that I'm a snowflake, everything else was just to support that one position.

You're not changing his mind.
izonfire Offline
#131 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
izon, tail once argued with me for about 2 pages about why he should be allowed to call me an injun.

His primary argument was that I'm a snowflake, everything else was just to support that one position.

You're not changing his mind.

If he had no issue with you calling him a dirty wop and you both were good with it,
I could see where that would be OK.

But for him to call you "snowflake" instead of "One who floats gently to the earth"?
Now, that's truly repugnant...
bgz Offline
#132 Posted:
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I think he might have called me "floats with water", but thst might have been someone else.
Palama Offline
#133 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
I think the only modern nfl player that stood out with any significant Indian heritage is Jim Plunkett. Obviously the great Indian player was Jim Thorpe.


After the 1971 Hula Bowl, a bunch of my friends and I saw Plunkett, his Mom and couple other people in Waikiki while we were waiting at a bus stop. As they were walking past us, gave him the “Howzit” head nod. We were all too scared to ask for his autograph
delta1 Offline
#134 Posted:
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happened to me at the Kauai Airport...it was Kareem Abdul Jabbar, sitting alone on one set of chairs, engrossed in a book...I was too scared to introduce my 10 year old son
frankj1 Offline
#135 Posted:
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he woulda walked away.
BuckyB93 Offline
#136 Posted:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArHNrCvwq4c
tailgater Offline
#137 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
izon, tail once argued with me for about 2 pages about why he should be allowed to call me an injun.

His primary argument was that I'm a snowflake, everything else was just to support that one position.

You're not changing his mind.


My memory is failing me.
Did I say that I wanted to call you an injun?
Or even that I should be allowed to do so?
Or was I only saying that you should learn to deal with it like an adult?
I'd hate to accuse you of misrepresenting what was discussed.




tailgater Offline
#138 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
izon, tail once argued with me for about 2 pages about why he should be allowed to call me an injun.

His primary argument was that I'm a snowflake, everything else was just to support that one position.

You're not changing his mind.


And for the record, I don't think izon was referring to my post.
But I'm flattered that you can't get me off your mind.
tailgater Offline
#139 Posted:
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izonfire wrote:
If he had no issue with you calling him a dirty wop and you both were good with it,
I could see where that would be OK.

But for him to call you "snowflake" instead of "One who floats gently to the earth"?
Now, that's truly repugnant...


For the record, dirty wop is considered redundant.
bgz Offline
#140 Posted:
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Ya you dirty greesy wop...

Wait, that's offensive to me too.

You were basically arguing it's ok to call natives injuns... not me directly, but because I am a half breed wopasioux, in a round about way you were saying its ok to call me one too.

Ya, you used all the regular arguments on why... pretty sure they were the same arguments white people used for why they should be allowed to call black people.... well, many different racist terms.

It's easy to say that sh*t about natives though, cause usually there isn't one around to say any different.

But you do you man, if you want to be known as a racist, then you're doing great. Keep up the good work.

Don't worry about breaking my snowflake skin though, I just call it as I see it.

Personally I could give a f*ck if you're a racist or not, I just like ruffling your feathers.

So go ahead and tell me how soft I am again, cause I know that's the only argument you got.
tailgater Offline
#141 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Ya you dirty greesy wop...

Wait, that's offensive to me too.

You were basically arguing it's ok to call natives injuns... not me directly, but because I am a half breed wopasioux, in a round about way you were saying its ok to call me one too.

Ya, you used all the regular arguments on why... pretty sure they were the same arguments white people used for why they should be allowed to call black people.... well, many different racist terms.

It's easy to say that sh*t about natives though, cause usually there isn't one around to say any different.

But you do you man, if you want to be known as a racist, then you're doing great. Keep up the good work.

Don't worry about breaking my snowflake skin though, I just call it as I see it.

Personally I could give a f*ck if you're a racist or not, I just like ruffling your feathers.

So go ahead and tell me how soft I am again, cause I know that's the only argument you got.


A. I am part native American. My great grandfather was 1/4 Wompanoag, so it's just a tiny sliver. But I always have an urge to take back what I give. So there's that.
B. I live in Mashpee Massachusetts. Home of the Womanoag. People of the first light. My neighborhood borders the reservation. No, I don't claim to be part of the tribe. But I've been a strong and vocal supporter of their rights since moving to town 20 years ago.
(side note: although the annual pow wow was covid-cancelled, we heard the drum beats all weekend from our house).

I didn't know I had any real Native blood until fairly recently. My great grandfather's stories were always vague. And he may not even have been a full 1/4. My older brother is doing the ancestry thingy.

I've never been called an Indian slur. I don't look the part.
But I've heard the dumb Italian jokes and responded to the person directly. Not to society. And my favorite book for a long time was an Italian joke book. Actually half Italian and half Polish. The book, not me. that would be painful.

It's cute how you assume a simple name calling makes a person racist.
When you call someone a mother f'er do you really think they fuq their mother?
When you tell someone to fuq themselves, do you think they will if they're capable?

It's a name. They're used in anger and in jest. It can be a verbal punch or a term of perverse endearment.

The fact that you CHOOSE to assign a singular reason is more a reflection of yourself. Which is fine. You know you better than I do.
And I like my feathers ruffled.
No, not my headdress. That would be disrespectful.

izonfire Offline
#142 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Ya you dirty greesy wop...

OK.
Now I’m offended.
You spelled greasy wrong...
bgz Offline
#143 Posted:
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It's good to be back :D

1/4 is a lot, I wouldn't call that a sliver. It's enough to where if you can prove it, you could get registered.

Anyway, most the people I've had this same argument with were older folks who put it on their time comming up and their belief in not changing who they are for anything. Most of the people are in my own family. After years of digging, poking and prodding some of those closest to me, you start to figure out that there's an underlying belief in absolutes.

So I think the issue is more fundamental in humans. Most of us suck at math and have no concept of probabilities. It results in a belief in absolutes, which is more likely to promote feelings of "us and them".

I've been guilty of this too... us and thems can be fun, but when you break it down to what it is at it's core, it's that for some reason you consider yourself better than someone else in the them category for what ever reason. Think football!!! Ya, us and them (go broncos).

Anyway, when you use that same thought process when dealing with race, you're basically thinking... I'm better than them at a fundamental biological level.... but it's been scientifically proven that's not the case... it's a crap shoot.

Personally, I try my best not to use racist terms... not because I think doing so makes me a non-racist, but because I don't want anyone to mistake me as one. Because the only way we can gauge someone's character is by the way they carry themselves and the language they use. Right now, you are making a racist argument, does that inherently make you a racist? No, but it doesn't help your cause in the eyes of others.
frankj1 Offline
#144 Posted:
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tail isn't 1/4, it was his great grandfather
delta1 Offline
#145 Posted:
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so..... we can call tail Pocahontas now?

as long as we mean it with perverse endearment, but not as a verbal punch?

sounds so Trumpian
tailgater Offline
#146 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
tail isn't 1/4, it was his great grandfather


Don't bother. Math is the least of his worries.

tailgater Offline
#147 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
so..... we can call tail Pocahontas now?

as long as we mean it with perverse endearment, but not as a verbal punch?

sounds so Trumpian


I once dated a girl named Ahontas.
So yes. You can call me that.

tailgater Offline
#148 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
It's good to be back :D

1/4 is a lot, I wouldn't call that a sliver. It's enough to where if you can prove it, you could get registered.

Anyway, most the people I've had this same argument with were older folks who put it on their time comming up and their belief in not changing who they are for anything. Most of the people are in my own family. After years of digging, poking and prodding some of those closest to me, you start to figure out that there's an underlying belief in absolutes.

So I think the issue is more fundamental in humans. Most of us suck at math and have no concept of probabilities. It results in a belief in absolutes, which is more likely to promote feelings of "us and them".

I've been guilty of this too... us and thems can be fun, but when you break it down to what it is at it's core, it's that for some reason you consider yourself better than someone else in the them category for what ever reason. Think football!!! Ya, us and them (go broncos).

Anyway, when you use that same thought process when dealing with race, you're basically thinking... I'm better than them at a fundamental biological level.... but it's been scientifically proven that's not the case... it's a crap shoot.

Personally, I try my best not to use racist terms... not because I think doing so makes me a non-racist, but because I don't want anyone to mistake me as one. Because the only way we can gauge someone's character is by the way they carry themselves and the language they use. Right now, you are making a racist argument, does that inherently make you a racist? No, but it doesn't help your cause in the eyes of others.


Holy crap.
Now even my arguments are racist.
Because anything said to disagree with you is racist apparently.

You sure do luvs you some victimhood.

Keep this up and I might feel sorry for you.
But first I'll wait to hear from you if that's a racist reaction.








BuckyB93 Offline
#149 Posted:
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He's closer to Native American blood than our fine senator Elizabeth Warren claimed to be. She's a Sudohontas.
delta1 Offline
#150 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I once dated a girl named Ahontas.
So yes. You can call me that.



ok...that was funny...
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