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Masks aren't a political statement.
Speyside Offline
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They are common sense.
JadeRose Offline
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I think that 98.2% of the general rabble of society is germ-infested, unclean meat to begin with. I have no problem wearing a mask and social distancing. It's my new and better way of life. If I went the rest of my life without standing or sitting close to random people, I'd be a happy boy
HockeyDad Offline
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I was social distancing before social distancing was cool.
Gene363 Offline
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Wasn't;t this a song?

Mask on Your Face

You Big Disgrace

Spreading Your Fear All Over The Place


Wore one today before you get all cray cray.
HockeyDad Offline
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What if a mask has “Black Lives Matter” written on it?
Gene363 Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
What if a mask has “Black Lives Matter” written on it?


Or... "If you can read this you are too close!"
tailgater Offline
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I wear my Trump 2020 mask and am asked to take it off.

HockeyDad Offline
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I’m going to get a Kanye West for president mask.
Speyside Offline
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That wouldn't be political, just **** stupid. Please make future comments believable.
Whistlebritches Offline
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Speyside wrote:
That wouldn't be political, just **** stupid. Please make future comments believable.



LOL
Plowboy221 Offline
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🐑
DrMaddVibe Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
What if a mask has “Black Lives Matter” written on it?



Then you can't breathe. Gonz


What? Too soon?
rfenst Online
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That's a good one, DMV.
Speyside Offline
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No, perfect.
Krazeehorse Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Then you can't breathe. Gonz


What? Too soon?


For the win!
Gene363 Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Then you can't breathe. Gonz


What? Too soon?



Applause Applause Applause
Speyside Offline
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Oh, and how is that a bad thing?
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https://www.theonion.com/dumbass-dog-wearing-face-mask-all-wrong-1844293343?utm_source=TheOnion_Daily_RSS&utm_medium=email

Beer
steve02 Offline
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Haven't worn a useless mask, won't wear one and can't believe how many people are wearing them.
tailgater Offline
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steve02 wrote:
Haven't worn a useless mask, won't wear one and can't believe how many people are wearing them.


I won't either.

I prefer the useful ones.

Speyside Offline
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You want we should send you some that work?
Brewha Offline
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"Stupid is as stupid does"
victor809 Offline
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Breckenridge here is requiring masks be worn pretty much anywhere. City ordinance, most areas where you'd be close to people, even outside on main St, require a mask. And most people are even putting them on outside of main St. Common courtesy, seems to work pretty well.

But they got hit hard financially with the tourism shut down, so they're doing everything they can to make sure they can keep operating. Their entire economy depends on it.
HockeyDad Offline
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Crepes a la Cart on Main St. I hope they are still alive.
Raceyraider3 Offline
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We have a worthless Gov here in Oregon and she can shove her mask up her hair hole!
Mcdanielsamuel Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Crepes a la Cart on Main St. I hope they are still alive.


That's the name of it. Couldn't remember it. Now I want some. Victor, bring me some back with you.
HockeyDad Offline
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We ski Keystone and Copper every year but always take an off day and play in Breckinridge and the crepe stand is a must.
Mcdanielsamuel Offline
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Haven't been to area in years. Miss it though. Loved night skiing in keystone
victor809 Offline
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They're still there and doing really well. There's a huge line every time we walk by. Haven't gotten any because we don't want to stand in line. Hell, there was a guy standing in line an hour before they opened.
delta1 Offline
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Raceyraider3 wrote:
We have a worthless Gov here in Oregon and she can shove her mask up her hair hole!


Merry Christmas and Happy CBid Anniversary in five months and a couple weeks
frankj1 Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
What if a mask has “Black Lives Matter” written on it?

if you did that last week as an employee at Whole Foods in Cambridge, you got sent home.
Speyside Offline
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Employers prerogative. As long as there are rules that specify this.
rfenst Online
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Speyside wrote:
Employers prerogative. As long as there are rules that specify this.

This.
And, it must be content neutral.
frankj1 Offline
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surprisingly, I didn't have a problem with it.
Politics usually does not play well with work.

steve02 Offline
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Speyside wrote:
You want we should send you some that work?


Something that works for a 0.12 micro virus. Yeah, right.

And if the virus is that lethal, are you wearing gloves? Disposing of masks and gloves in a biohazard container every time you take them off?Burning your clothes daily? Fumigating your car every time you exit it?
rfenst Online
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steve02 wrote:
Something that works for a 0.12 micro virus. Yeah, right.

And if the virus is that lethal, are you wearing gloves? Disposing of masks and gloves in a biohazard container every time you take them off?Burning your clothes daily? Fumigating your car every time you exit it?

No.
No.
No.
No.
Who made these recommendations?
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steve02 wrote:
Something that works for a 0.12 micro virus. Yeah, right.

And if the virus is that lethal, are you wearing gloves? Disposing of masks and gloves in a biohazard container every time you take them off?Burning your clothes daily? Fumigating your car every time you exit it?

my brain is having a hard time deciding whether to file this under "ridiculous things silly people say" or "silly things ridiculous people say"... might have to start a new file...
frankj1 Offline
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steve o...wearing a mask to protect others isn't as hard as you make it out to be,

your list goes beyond recommended steps for front line workers.
rfenst Online
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Masks offer more protection against COVID than many think

Los Angeles Times
SAN FRANCISCO - There's a common refrain that masks don't protect you; they protect other people from your own germs, which is especially important to keep unknowingly infected people from spreading the coronavirus.

But now, there's mounting evidence that masks also protect you.

If you're unlucky enough to encounter an infectious person, wearing any kind of face covering will reduce the amount of virus that your body will take in.

As it turns out, that's pretty important. Breathing in a small amount of virus may lead to no disease or far more mild infection. But inhaling a huge volume of virus particles can result in serious disease or death.

That's the argument Dr. Monica Gandhi, UC San Francisco professor of medicine and medical director of the HIV Clinic at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital, is making about why - if you are unlucky to get infected with the virus - masking can still protect you from more severe disease.

"There is this theory that facial masking reduces the (amount of virus you get exposed to) and disease severity," said Gandhi, who is also director for the Center for AIDS Research at UC San Francisco.

The idea of requiring mask-wearing in public has become an increasingly pressing and politicized issue as California and the rest of the nation see a surge in new cases as the economy reopens.

California this week ordered a reclosure of many businesses, include a statewide halting of all indoor dining and a closure of bars. The state also ordered a closing down - in dozens of hard-hit counties, including L.A. County - of indoor gyms, houses of worship, hair salons, nail salons and offices for nonessential industries.

But experts say masks are essential for people to wear when they still go out in public, such as to shop or go to medical appointments, and to get exercise like heading to the beach or park.

California has mandated face coverings in public settings since June 18, and a growing number of communities said they will ticket people who disobey the rules. But there remains some resistance to the government mandating wearing masks in some corners of the state, including Orange County.

Some leaders in Orange County have pushed back against requiring students to wear masks should they return to classrooms in the fall.

In policy recommendations approved by the Orange County Board of Education on Monday, a document stated that "requiring children to wear masks during school is not only difficult - if not impossible to implement - but (is) not based on science. It may even be harmful." Individual districts will have the final say on how schools open.
Some health experts were appalled by that language.

"This anti-mask rhetoric is mind-blowing, dangerous, deadly and polarizing," said Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, professor of medicine and an infectious diseases specialist at UC San Francisco. "There is no evidence that it is dangerous."
In fact, wearing masks can help prevent children from being infected and suffering serious consequences of infection, such as multisystem inflammatory syndrome, a rare condition that has been seen in children who have been infected with the coronavirus. "Kids not only transmit, but they can get sick as well," Chin-Hong said.

While children are less likely to develop severe illness from the coronavirus than adults, they can still be infected, be contagious and transmit the virus to other people, Gandhi said.

Wearing a mask at school would not only reduce their ability to transmit the virus to other classmates, teachers and administrators, but also protect the students from getting infected with a large dose of virus from infected people.
Transmission rates for coronavirus have been rising across the state. Nearly 1,000 of San Francisco's nearly 4,600 cases have been diagnosed in just the last two weeks, said Dr. Grant Colfax, the city's director of public health.
In San Francisco, nearly half of all those who have tested positive in the city are Latinos, he said, even though Latino residents make up just 15% of the city's population. Overall, the city has seen 7.8 new infections per 100,000 residents over the last seven days, far above its goal of no more than 1.8 new infections per 100,000 people.

"This, again, indicates that the virus is spreading throughout the city, particularly ... in the southeast part of the city," Colfax said.

For every one person who contracts the virus, another 1.25 people on average are now infected, he said. "We really need to drive that down to 1 or below as quickly and as soon as possible."

The transmission rate also rose above 1 in L.A. County in June, but has fallen back to 1. "The virus currently rages on in our community," Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said.

The reason why masks are so important in controlling the spread of the coronavirus is that it can be widely spread by people who are not visibly sick - either because they haven't yet shown signs of illness, or they will spend the entire course of their infections with little or no symptoms at all.

A key piece of evidence for this emerged earlier this year, on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that carried infected crew and passengers in Asia. A study published by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that of 712 people testing positive for the virus, nearly half were asymptomatic at the time of testing.

"We also know that viral load is highest early during disease," said Dr. Chaz Langelier, an assistant professor at UC San Francisco, during the panel discussion. In fact, 44% of transmissions are believed to occur when the infected person has no symptoms, according to a study published in Nature Medicine.

That's different from the seasonal flu, where peak infectiousness occurs about one day after the onset of symptoms, Langelier said.

Masks don't filter out all viral particles, Gandhi said. But even cloth face masks filter out a majority of viral particles.
And even if a person wearing a mask gets infected, the mask - by filtering out most of the viral particles exhaled by the infected person - probably leads to less severe disease, Gandhi said.

The idea that a lower dose of virus when being infected brings less illness is a well-worn idea in medicine.
Even going back to 1938, there was a study showing that by giving mice a higher dose of a deadly virus, the mice are more likely to get severe disease and die, Gandhi said.

The same principle applies to humans. A study published in 2015 gave healthy volunteers varying doses of a flu virus; those who got higher doses got sicker, with more coughing and shortness of breath, Gandhi said.

And another study suggested that the reason why the second wave of the 1918-19 flu pandemic was the deadliest in the U.S. was because of the overcrowded conditions faced in army camps as World War I wound down.

Finally, a study published in May found that surgical mask partitions significantly reduced the transmission of the coronavirus among hamsters. And even if the hamsters protected by the mask partitions acquired the coronavirus, "they were more likely to get very mild disease," Gandhi said.

So what happens if a city dramatically masks up while in public?

If Gandhi is right, it may mean that even if there's a rise in coronavirus infections in a city, the masks may limit the dose people are getting of the virus and result in them more likely to show less severe symptoms of illness.

That's what Gandhi said she suspects is happening in San Francisco, where mask wearing is relatively robust. Further observations are needed, Gandhi said.

There's more evidence that masks can be protective - even when wearers do become infected. She cited an outbreak at a seafood plant in Oregon where employees were given masks, and 95% of those who were infected were asymptomatic.
Gandhi also cited the experience of a cruise ship that was traveling from Argentina to Antartica in March when the coronavirus infected people on board, as documented in a recent study. Passengers got surgical masks; the crew got N95 masks.

But instead of about 40% of those infected being asymptomatic - which is what would normally be expected - 81% of those testing positive were asymptomatic, and the masking may have helped reduce the severity of disease in people on board, Gandhi said.

The protective effects are also seen in countries where masks are universally accepted for years, such as Taiwan, Thailand, South Korea and Singapore. "They have all seen cases as they opened ... but not deaths," Gandhi said.

The Czech Republic moved early to require masks, issuing an order in mid-March, Gandhi said; that's about three months before Gov. Gavin Newsom did so statewide in California. But in the Czech Republic, "every time their cases would go up ... their death rate was totally flat. So they didn't get the severe illness with these cases going on."

By May, the Czech Republic lifted its face mask rule. "And they're doing great," Gandhi said.
delta1 Offline
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exactly...masks help reduce the severity of the disease if you are exposed to the virus...

a small dose of virus allowed in by a less efficient cloth mask (60 - 79% efficient compared to N95) is less dangerous than a full dose of the virus if you aren't wearing a mask...many mask wearers on a cruise ship who got the virus were asymptomatic, at about twice the expected rate...

so, if you go out...don't be stupid.... wear a mask!!!


this seems to point at those who refuse to wear masks because they are asymptomatic and unaware that they are carriers as the likely culprits in community spread of the virus...
HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Masks offer more protection against COVID than many think

"There is this theory that facial masking reduces the (amount of virus you get exposed to) and disease severity," said Gandhi, who is also director for the Center for AIDS Research at UC San Francisco.


That’s California journalism for you. The title says masks offer more protection then the article says there is this theory.

There also is a theory that tall people (over 6’) are drastically less likely to catch Covid because short people don’t sneeze upward.

They got little hands
And little eyes
And they walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet
delta1 Offline
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let us know when you're out and about....
HockeyDad Offline
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I’m out and about.
victor809 Offline
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HD is just out.
HockeyDad Offline
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I lied. I’m not out and about but when I am I wear a mask, use my height to my advantage around short filthy people, and have O blood. I’m basically immune.

If we were all going to die of the ‘Rona Victor wouldn’t be off on vacation in Breckinridge.
victor809 Offline
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Well...when I say "we all"... I really mean "you all".

I'm healthy and good looking and have good insurance.

frankj1 Offline
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you do know life insurance doesn't keep you alive, right?
You want maybe me and Drafter should come up and take care of that for ya?
victor809 Offline
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Heh... I ever mention that the woman took a life insurance policy out on me...

.... coincidentally right after she bought me the gear I needed to complete my cave diving training....
HockeyDad Offline
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You married a smart one!
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may he live long enough to know it.
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