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bgz Offline
#151 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2020, 10:04 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Holy crap.
Now even my arguments are racist.
Because anything said to disagree with you is racist apparently.

You sure do luvs you some victimhood.

Keep this up and I might feel sorry for you.
But first I'll wait to hear from you if that's a racist reaction.




lol, soft ...


Most common reason I hear for wanting to keep old racist language, is because "that's how it was back in the day"... er, "that's how everyone spoke in the good 'ol days".... so that's how I'm going to say it now.

To hold the position now with decades of advancement of civilization and technology is a racist position. So it does follow that attempting to justify it is only going to reinforce the opinion of a third party, unless of course they agree with you ;)

So you're not wrong.
izonfire Offline
#152 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2020, 10:08 AM EST
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OK. Now that that’s settled,
On to the name change of the Fighting Irish.
I’m interested to see what they come up with.

What do you think the new name should be?...
bgz Offline
#153 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2020, 10:15 AM EST
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izonfire wrote:
OK. Now that that’s settled,
On to the name change of the Fighting Irish.
I’m interested to see what they come up with.

What do you think the new name should be?...


Fighting Whiteys
izonfire Offline
#154 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2020, 10:17 AM EST
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Rumbling Albino Crackas
izonfire Offline
#155 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2020, 10:20 AM EST
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Scuffling Carrot-Top Goblins
Mcdanielsamuel Offline
#156 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2020, 10:42 AM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Scuffling Carrot-Top Goblins

I resemble that remark. Should I take offense?
izonfire Offline
#157 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2020, 11:10 AM EST
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Mcdanielsamuel wrote:
I resemble that remark. Should I take offense?

No McDanSam.
A portion of me resembles that remark as well.
We can say that to each other.

But anybody else that mentions it?
They must be shamed and destroyed...
HockeyDad Offline
#158 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2020, 2:12 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Fighting Whiteys


Notre Dame already has that one.
Gene363 Offline
#159 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2020, 2:50 PM EST
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I don't think renaming is sufficient, NFL football is not the internationally accepted football, AKA, soccer. We should call in UN peacekeeping forces to enforce the outlawing of football and force fans and players to watch and play soccer.

The Hollywood people, especially the stunt people, would love to give the old players lessons in fake injuries, screaming in pain and rolling around on the ground. Antifa and other anarchists would also be happy to assist with teaching the fans to destroy stadiums and riot after games.

Sarcasm
Brewha Offline
#160 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 11:45 AM EST
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Sports team always need to be something modern that fans can rally behind.

In the 20th century the nation wanted to feel better out the screwing we gave the native Americans in the 19th century. So Red Skins sold tickets.

But today, we need more current names. Maybe these would work:
The Mercenaries
The Flat Earthers
The Mask Burners



If you want better, you have to embrace change...
Abrignac Offline
#161 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 1:43 PM EST
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xibbumbero wrote:
Well,she did get 3mil more votes but the E-College got her. To make individual votes count,each candidate should recieve the % of E-College votes in each state according to the total votes. The reps will never go for it though. In the 3 elections won by the loser of the popular vote,the rep candidate beat a dem candidate. X Frying pan


I’m guessing you believe in the rule of law? If you’re dissatisfied when the method prescribed by the Constitution then do something about instead complaining on a cigar forum.
Abrignac Offline
#162 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 1:52 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I think it's funny that tail spouts some nonsense about BLM protests having turned to "violence", without any actual evidence... Then makes some claim about what he thinks "smart people" should do.

Pretty sure none of them should listen to you.

Arrests don't mean violence. They mean the police, who are being protested against, arrested some people. That is done without any looting or violence (at least on the side of the protests, the police are plenty violent).

I saw a video of a protest on a highway... I saw the video because an idiot cousin of mine posted it and claimed all the protesters should be killed... Because it showed them swarming a semi truck and pulling out the driver, and some of them attacking him. Now, of course, if you look up more than just that video (as the police defenders like to say, what happened before the video of them killing the guy in custody?), This was a peaceful protest on a closed highway... (How do I know it was peaceful? Because it was only protesters for one side, on a highway that had been closed to everyone else... There was no one and nothing for them to argue or fight with)... A truck gets past the barricade and barrels into the crowd while they're kneeling... Some people in that crowd get violent when their lives are threatened. And suddenly, in my cousin's mind it's a bunch of violent "Antifa" who should all be run over.

Anyway... Long boring story with no point other than tail's an idiot and when he claims BLM is a violent group I think of my dumb relative who doesn't actually look at all the information before deciding everyone on one side should be killed by a vehicle.


So what you’re saying is that just because someone is arrested that doesn’t mean they are actually guilty of anything?
ZRX1200 Offline
#163 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 1:56 PM EST
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The truck passed the barricades before they were put up.

But you don’t care about truth
Abrignac Offline
#164 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 2:31 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
..... I side with no one until I have information.
But even if she died due to some protesters, that doesn't mean the movement is violent. It means those protesters were violent.

If you were going to get your panties in a wad over a dead kid you should have started years ago. Police have been killing kids for a long time "by accident".


A movement IS defined by the actions of those involved. Using an extension of your logic, one could argue that the KKK is a peaceful movement that has a few bad apples.

You’ve so jumped the shark.
Abrignac Offline
#165 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 3:00 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
WTF does that do with any part of the discussion?
The point was they were peaceful. Until a civilian rammed a vehicle into them crowd.

You justifying it because you think what they did was illegal is just an attempt to distract from the actual discussion.

That’s not what he’s saying. Take your blinders off.

Just because you say something doesn’t mean it’s so. This was no more a peaceful protest than a traffic stop is routine.

1) Apparently he entered the on ramp before it was closed. Otherwise, there would have been a police car or two chasing him. There were none in the videos regarding this incident.

2) Reread what Mike said regarding physics. Also, the topography of the highway is important because the driver may have been prevented from seeing what was ahead until a very short time before.

3) Absent a Federal permit blocking an interstate highway made the protesters criminals. I don’t recall hearing anything on the news regarding the granting of such. Also, I don’t recall seeing any police rushing in to stop what was happening. If a permit had been granted there would have been an LE presence at the sight of the protest.

4) If as stated above the protest was violent.

violence noun
vi·​o·​lence | \ ˈvī-lən(t)s , ˈvī-ə- \
Definition of violence
1a : the use of physical force so as to injure, abuse, damage, or destroy
b : an instance of violent treatment or procedure
2 : injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation : OUTRAGE
3a : intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force
the violence of the storm
b : vehement feeling or expression : FERVOR
also : an instance of such action or feeling
c : a clashing or jarring quality : DISCORDANCE
4 : undue alteration (as of wording or sense in editing a text)

The protesters abused (incorrect or improper use) the purpose of the highway. There is absolutely nothing in the USC which allows for the obstructing an interstate highway for a protest.

The protesters infringed on the rights of others by unlawfully blocking access to traffic lanes by laying in the roadway.



victor809 Offline
#166 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 3:34 PM EST
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Anthony, what does it matter if he entered before the road was closed?
I didn't say he was guilty of anything. I said he rammed a truck into people who were kneeling, and we saw the expected result.
Absent any additional knowledge, I don't actually think anyone in that situation was guilty of anything. He theoretically got past the barriers, apparently accidentally, and somehow 40 min later while driving down the road encountered the protesters, panicked, and ran into the crowd full steam.

The protesters, absent any information, saw a truck running them down and acted exactly how I would expect a crowd to act when attacked with a deadly weapon.

That was not a violent crowd until it was attacked. Whether it was an illegal gathering or not is irrelevant.

And trying to classify "violence" as any infringement is fine. That just means that every protest we've ever had in our nation that has accomplished anything good required violence by your definition. So you think violent protests are important...

As for what I'm saying regarding "arrests" your question is dumb. We all know arrest doesn't equal guilt. But that wasn't even my point. Protesters get arrested for a lot of things... They may get arrested for trespassing, for blocking traffic, for marching down the street in a direction the police don't particularly like. None of that is "violence" so assuming that the existence of arrests is proof of violence is dumb.
Abrignac Offline
#167 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 3:44 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Anthony, what does it matter if he entered before the road was closed?
I didn't say he was guilty of anything. I said he rammed a truck into people who were kneeling, and we saw the expected result.
Absent any additional knowledge, I don't actually think anyone in that situation was guilty of anything. He theoretically got past the barriers, apparently accidentally, and somehow 40 min later while driving down the road encountered the protesters, panicked, and ran into the crowd full steam.

The protesters, absent any information, saw a truck running them down and acted exactly how I would expect a crowd to act when attacked with a deadly weapon.

That was not a violent crowd until it was attacked. Whether it was an illegal gathering or not is irrelevant.

And trying to classify "violence" as any infringement is fine. That just means that every protest we've ever had in our nation that has accomplished anything good required violence by your definition. So you think violent protests are important...

As for what I'm saying regarding "arrests" your question is dumb. We all know arrest doesn't equal guilt. But that wasn't even my point. Protesters get arrested for a lot of things... They may get arrested for trespassing, for blocking traffic, for marching down the street in a direction the police don't particularly like. None of that is "violence" so assuming that the existence of arrests is proof of violence is dumb.


Two casts, two fish reeled in.
victor809 Offline
#168 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 3:48 PM EST
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Good to know you're not serious about anything you say.
Abrignac Offline
#169 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 3:52 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Good to know you're not serious about anything you say.


Oh I’m very serious. But, I also enjoyed pointing out the obvious that when one stands so close to the trees the don’t enjoy all that the forest has to offer. You’re well edumacated so I’m sure you’ll figure out what I’m saying. If not, I can point it out for you.
victor809 Offline
#170 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 3:57 PM EST
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Mhmm... You literally just said you were trolling.
Abrignac Offline
#171 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 4:11 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Mhmm... You literally just said you were trolling.


So 6 out a few hundred words makes me a bad apple? That suddenly makes everything I said above that untrue? It seems you and my soon to be ex feel the way. [shrugs shoulders]
victor809 Offline
#172 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 4:14 PM EST
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That is nothing to do with what I said. But that's fine. Correcting you won't change your mind.
Abrignac Offline
#173 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 4:20 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
That is nothing to do with what I said. But that's fine. Correcting you won't change your mind.


Nor does what you said that I quoted have anything to do with the undeniable facts I presented. Instead you chose to deflect then take a sarcastic sentence and use that to shape the argument.
victor809 Offline
#174 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 4:24 PM EST
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Whatever. I've got better things to do than argue with someone who's response to a couple paragraphs was "trolling successful"
Abrignac Offline
#175 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 4:58 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Whatever. I've got better things to do than argue with someone who has shredded my argument just because he successfully trolled me.


Pot meet kettle.
Palama Offline
#176 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 7:00 PM EST
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Back on point.

Heard "Red Foxes" as a suggested new name.
izonfire Offline
#177 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 7:06 PM EST
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Heard it was gonna be the Lemonts...
delta1 Offline
#178 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 7:19 PM EST
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Washington Caspers
tailgater Offline
#179 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 8:20 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
lol, soft ...


Most common reason I hear for wanting to keep old racist language, is because "that's how it was back in the day"... er, "that's how everyone spoke in the good 'ol days".... so that's how I'm going to say it now.

To hold the position now with decades of advancement of civilization and technology is a racist position. So it does follow that attempting to justify it is only going to reinforce the opinion of a third party, unless of course they agree with you ;)

So you're not wrong.


You don't get it.

I don't have a desire to keep the terms.
I'm just saying that using them in non-derogatory ways isn't necessarily racist.
You want to believe it is. As if you see into someone's soul based on words that trigger you.

Have at it.
Don't let mean old Tailgater stop you from playing the victim.
Over words.
tailgater Offline
#180 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 8:23 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Washington Caspers


Swamp rats.
tonygraz Offline
#181 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 9:06 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Sports team always need to be something modern that fans can rally behind.

In the 20th century the nation wanted to feel better out the screwing we gave the native Americans in the 19th century. So Red Skins sold tickets.

But today, we need more current names. Maybe these would work:
The Mercenaries
The Flat Earthers
The Mask Burners



If you want better, you have to embrace change...


I still like the Washington Foreskins.
Whistlebritches Offline
#182 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 9:15 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
I still like the Washington Foreskins.



Tony please.......so sophomoric and immature
frankj1 Offline
#183 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 10:24 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You don't get it.

I don't have a desire to keep the terms.
I'm just saying that using them in non-derogatory ways isn't necessarily racist.
You want to believe it is. As if you see into someone's soul based on words that trigger you.

Have at it.
Don't let mean old Tailgater stop you from playing the victim.
Over words.



I'm really taking a guess here, but I think B is saying that if a group tells you that your term for them is offensive for reasons you may not understand, it is offensive to them despite your personal innocence in intent.

We know each other. You know you are safe saying virtually anything Jew.
I know I am safe saying anything, um, wop (can't spell guinnie).

Just because you and I know where it's coming from and therefore how it is meant does not make it suddenly acceptable to all the other Jews and wops out there who don't know us personally.

It is not incumbent on that group to grow a thick skin.
frankj1 Offline
#184 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2020, 10:25 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Tony please.......so sophomoric and immature

OK, that was great!
bgz Offline
#185 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2020, 8:19 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You don't get it.

I don't have a desire to keep the terms.
I'm just saying that using them in non-derogatory ways isn't necessarily racist.
You want to believe it is. As if you see into someone's soul based on words that trigger you.

Have at it.
Don't let mean old Tailgater stop you from playing the victim.
Over words.




It's ok, I knew it's all you had. I said as much a few posts back.
ZRX1200 Offline
#186 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2020, 10:14 AM EST
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I hope they pick a name deserving of the owner.

I’m still rooting for “DC Lizard People” to reflect the residents of the city.
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#187 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2020, 12:49 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Washington Hypocrites...

Best suggestion yet...
tailgater Offline
#188 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2020, 1:02 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm really taking a guess here, but I think B is saying that if a group tells you that your term for them is offensive for reasons you may not understand, it is offensive to them despite your personal innocence in intent.

We know each other. You know you are safe saying virtually anything Jew.
I know I am safe saying anything, um, wop (can't spell guinnie).

Just because you and I know where it's coming from and therefore how it is meant does not make it suddenly acceptable to all the other Jews and wops out there who don't know us personally.

It is not incumbent on that group to grow a thick skin.



Wrong guess.
Nobody called him anything here.
Not related to ethnic background, at least.

More to the point, you're Jewish?
frankj1 Offline
#189 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2020, 6:26 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Wrong guess.
Nobody called him anything here.
Not related to ethnic background, at least.

More to the point, you're Jewish?


pretty sure I didn't mention bgz being called anything personally.
was trying to reword his take on the reaction of groups we are surprised to hear have felt offended as opposed to those of us who utter things that had never been challenged before...

though iirc, bgz has more than a quart of Native American blood coursing through his veins. Been a while since he spoke of it.

Am I Jewish? Why do you think I threw a drink in your face when you called me, um, thrifty?
Did ya think I was Scottish?
bgz Offline
#190 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2020, 8:37 PM EST
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Don't mind me, I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing.

I'm sure I've bet on the skins at some point in my life.

Half frank... actually was registered as 5/8. The dude back in the day had a thing for my mom so he through me an extra 1/8.
ZRX1200 Offline
#191 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2020, 9:14 PM EST
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I’ll throw you an extra 1/8 cutie pie Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#192 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2020, 9:49 PM EST
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I see a bromance beginning
frankj1 Offline
#193 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2020, 10:41 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Don't mind me, I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing.

I'm sure I've bet on the skins at some point in my life.

Half frank... actually was registered as 5/8. The dude back in the day had a thing for my mom so he through me an extra 1/8.



yeah, I'm good wif words, not so good wif numbahs.
Speyside Offline
#194 Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2020, 7:21 AM EST
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So how about they take a name that honors native Americans? The Washington Code Talkers.
bgz Offline
#195 Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2020, 8:46 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I’ll throw you an extra 1/8 cutie pie Mellow


Just make sure its green and hairy!!!... speaking of which... runnin low.
tailgater Offline
#196 Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2020, 9:13 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
Don't mind me, I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing.

I'm sure I've bet on the skins at some point in my life.

Half frank... actually was registered as 5/8. The dude back in the day had a thing for my mom so he through me an extra 1/8.




I'm part Irish.
Every 1/8 counts...
tailgater Offline
#197 Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2020, 9:14 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
pretty sure I didn't mention bgz being called anything personally.
was trying to reword his take on the reaction of groups we are surprised to hear have felt offended as opposed to those of us who utter things that had never been challenged before...

though iirc, bgz has more than a quart of Native American blood coursing through his veins. Been a while since he spoke of it.

Am I Jewish? Why do you think I threw a drink in your face when you called me, um, thrifty?
Did ya think I was Scottish?


Your breath did smell like haggis.
rfenst Offline
#198 Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2020, 9:29 AM EST
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FSU (Florida State University) are known as the "Seminoles". That is the name of the predominant indian tribe living in Florida before their land was stolen and they were marched from from Florida to west of the mississippi river (Trail of Tears) onto reservation land they had no idea how to live on. The reason I bring this up is that the university has taken the position that its use of the Tribal actually honors the seminole tribe and making Chief Osceola, the legend by Seminole Chief, as their mascot. Can't wait to see how this all plays out here. I hope they don't change their name.
HockeyDad Offline
#199 Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2020, 10:31 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
So how about they take a name that honors native Americans? The Washington Code Talkers.


That name is racist against the Japanese. Might as well go with the Enola Gay as the name.
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#200 Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2020, 12:06 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Your breath did smell like haggis.


that was the night you invented social distancing.
told ya to get trademarked.
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