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Cutting covid cases in half
DrMaddVibe Offline
#51 Posted:
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And...


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/07/regarding_the_wuhan_virus_if_you_think_youre_being_lied_to_youre_right.html
tonygraz Offline
#52 Posted:
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What ! It was a democratic and news media hoax. Any day now, like a miracle it's going to go away.
frankj1 Offline
#53 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
And...


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/07/regarding_the_wuhan_virus_if_you_think_youre_being_lied_to_youre_right.html

a thousand links...enough already.

do you personally think this virus is a massive hoax, the threat is zero, and the numbers are totally made up by some secretive trillion dollar cabal?

How can something like it happen with the GOP controlling the White House, the Senate, the Courts...all but the House? I'd have to think believing the above would have to be believing Trump is involved.

it's very simple, quite basic. Masks really slow down the spread. With no new hosts to invade, the virus dies.
And then friends of ours like Ron would not have been left dangling with his life in the balance.
And that hospital in Texas could have made a profit.

Sure, sure, we all know no man has ever stepped on the moon. But this hoax would require thousands or more people from virtually every country on Earth to be in on it. And to what end?
victor809 Offline
#54 Posted:
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75k cases today. Been at about 1k deaths a day now for a week.

Looking pretty awesome.
frankj1 Offline
#55 Posted:
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I heard it's profitable.
victor809 Offline
#56 Posted:
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I've realized I'm approaching this the same way I approached the Superbowl.

I cheered for whichever team was in the lead... Because who cares, sports are stupid, and the idea of taking the results seriously for any team that you're not actually a part of is really pitiful...

So covids winning, and I'm gonna cheer for it.
tonygraz Offline
#57 Posted:
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From time to time and perhaps with karma, deniers have been adversely struck by that which they deny. I hope karma wins.
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#58 Posted:
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Oh ya... well I hope your genitals get mutilated by piranhas... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#59 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I've realized I'm approaching this the same way I approached the Superbowl.

I cheered for whichever team was in the lead... Because who cares, sports are stupid, and the idea of taking the results seriously for any team that you're not actually a part of is really pitiful...

So covids winning, and I'm gonna cheer for it.


If you said that about soccer we'd be hearing from their fans how you obviously "don't understand it".

And of course the covid is winning. It's picking on the old people.

victor809 Offline
#60 Posted:
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Well duh... There's a reason we all hate soccer fans.
bgz Offline
#61 Posted:
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And soccer.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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And europeans...
tonygraz Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Oh ya... well I hope your genitals get mutilated by piranhas... Mellow


You are talking to someone who has been bitten by a piranha. I'm careful where I put my junk you marmot loving chicken chaser.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
a thousand links...enough already.

do you personally think this virus is a massive hoax, the threat is zero, and the numbers are totally made up by some secretive trillion dollar cabal?

How can something like it happen with the GOP controlling the White House, the Senate, the Courts...all but the House? I'd have to think believing the above would have to be believing Trump is involved.

it's very simple, quite basic. Masks really slow down the spread. With no new hosts to invade, the virus dies.
And then friends of ours like Ron would not have been left dangling with his life in the balance.
And that hospital in Texas could have made a profit.

Sure, sure, we all know no man has ever stepped on the moon. But this hoax would require thousands or more people from virtually every country on Earth to be in on it. And to what end?


By not reading the links I put up and throwing whatever you think of on the floor...it matters very little what I believe on this.

Not one single time have I ever said that Covid19 doesn't exist nor using social distancing and masks when appropriate. Not one time.

Keep on believing whatever you want.
frankj1 Offline
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clarifies what you are not saying... so what are you saying?

There is nothing I actually WANT to believe about what you are trying to say, just asking if you'd care to ever make it clear in your own words.

This is not an attack, dude.

you wrote:
Not one single time have I ever said that Covid19 doesn't exist nor using social distancing and masks when appropriate. Not one time.

Me too. Places where it works like MA commend your statement.

I'm saying, what's with all the weird stuff? Your statement is pretty normal to me. What edgy angles are you getting at?
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Hey, he's in Florida. It could be a Russian bot posting for him. For all we know he's on a ventilator and they are treating him with a COVID c0cktail.
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I've always found him interesting and clever.
And I owe him a little for some music I may have never heard.

I think he'd be a good fit in a tailor made herf.
tonygraz Offline
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I would have gone with shoemaker.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
clarifies what you are not saying... so what are you saying?

There is nothing I actually WANT to believe about what you are trying to say, just asking if you'd care to ever make it clear in your own words.

This is not an attack, dude.

you wrote:
Not one single time have I ever said that Covid19 doesn't exist nor using social distancing and masks when appropriate. Not one time.

Me too. Places where it works like MA commend your statement.

I'm saying, what's with all the weird stuff? Your statement is pretty normal to me. What edgy angles are you getting at?


What I'm saying is the data has been manipulated. HARD! We're talking about a virus that 99.96% of humans survive. Only in the most horrible of situations like stuffing positive patients back into nursing homes with frail people and population centers where there are just way to many people on top of people on top of people would I expect to see a higher mortality rate. In post after post that I put up I clearly showed where the numbers have been manipulated to make us believe we're stuck back in the Middle Ages with the Black Plague running amok and nobody knows what to do or what's causing it. The fear angle is nauseating. It's to the point that you cannot even trust the CDC!

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/cdc-and-states-are-misreporting-covid-19-test-data-pennsylvania-georgia-texas/611935/

So, if someone wants to place blame on leadership wanting to actually do something different to obtain clearer results why would anyone be against that?

frankj1 wrote:
I've always found him interesting and clever.
And I owe him a little for some music I may have never heard.

I think he'd be a good fit in a tailor made herf.


Thanks. I really do love music. Wanted to do it professionally but Lady Luck only took me so far. Even thought about being a DJ on the radio, but the pay scale is laughable. So, CBid is stuck with me. My tastes are all over the place with every genre imaginable. I have a MP3 collection over 3 TB that is growing daily. Got tired of the albums taking up space, but I always loved the artwork, liner notes and gimmicks artists would toss out like colored vinyl and stickers.

There isn't a person I've had a cigar with that I haven't enjoyed their company. I'd like to think that they share that as well. I've tried to be an ambassador to Ybor City with our fellow BOTL/SOTL's when I could. Sometimes work gets in the way of more memorable times. I have bills like anyone else, which brings me to your last sentence.

The golf bug has bit me once again. I really really wanted a set of M4 or even M6 TaylorMade irons. Was looking at a set of Clevelands too. Then I started looking at used clubs. At the top of my list were TaylorMade burner bubbles, Calloway Big Bertha's and Clevelands. Then I saw a deal I couldn't pass up. When I really started golfing 3-4 times a week I wanted a set of King Cobra Oversized but the price held me back. The rep at Carl's Golfland in Michigan steered me towards a set of oversized Powerbilt's and gave me a great deal on an entire set 1-SW, D, 3 and 5 woods with a good cart bag and a Jack Nicklaus Golden Bear putter. I still have the set but added a couple of TaylorMade burner bubble driver and 3 wood. Anyways, I found a set of King Cobra Oversized irons 3-SW with stiff graphite shafts, a set of Walter Hagen hybrid woods D, 3, 3I, 4I and 5I an Odyssey 2-Ball putter and a new Cobra cart bag...all for under 300.00! The bag was 180.00 by itself! So, I had the old clubs regripped and the lil' misses will have a set to use and away we go hacking through life.
rfenst Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I've always found him interesting and clever.
And I owe him a little for some music I may have never heard.

I think he'd be a good fit in a tailor made herf.

I will attest to the fact that DMV is a GREAT BOTL to herf with!
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DOC, the media is sensationalizing the deaths. I wish we were seriously studying the autoimmune issues. That is my concern, but there simply is no basis to reach a conclusion. COVID 19 is mimicking every known autoimmune disease and creating some never seen before. The hundred dollar question is are they permanent or short term? I think logically we can conclude lesions in the brain are permanent. But then again are they?

I am not worried about beating this, we will. Social distancing, masks, sanitary practices, and a COVID 19 cocktail will beat this. A vaccine is possible, but not a for sure. The synthetic antibodies hold great promise. There are some other interesting concepts, but if they went wrong it could literally be the end of mankind so best left alone.
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https://abc7.com/health/couple-under-house-arrest-after-testing-positive-for-covid-19/6323759/
rfenst Offline
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Z, that's pretty f'd up.
There must have been a warrant
Wonder what the paperwork said. Would love read it.
What if it was just something you need to sign to prove you read it or received it... like having to sign for a traffic ticket- not because you are agreeing to anything, just that you got it? Or like arraignment in criminal court- where you must show up- just to plead guilty or not guilty?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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rfenst wrote:
I will attest to the fact that DMV is a GREAT BOTL to herf with!



Thanks Robert! You are too!

Till next time.Herfing
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Speyside wrote:
DOC, the media is sensationalizing the deaths. I wish we were seriously studying the autoimmune issues. That is my concern, but there simply is no basis to reach a conclusion. COVID 19 is mimicking every known autoimmune disease and creating some never seen before. The hundred dollar question is are they permanent or short term? I think logically we can conclude lesions in the brain are permanent. But then again are they?

I am not worried about beating this, we will. Social distancing, masks, sanitary practices, and a COVID 19 cocktail will beat this. A vaccine is possible, but not a for sure. The synthetic antibodies hold great promise. There are some other interesting concepts, but if they went wrong it could literally be the end of mankind so best left alone.



The presstitutes are echo chambering what the CDC is saying. The sad reality is that the CDC is really a vaccination clearinghouse. Look at all the patents they hold.

I'm positive that for some this is deadly and not a polite way to have to check out. I'm not convinced we as a nation are doing anything successful. I view this as more like a trial run for future generations.
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horse
ZRX1200 Offline
#77 Posted:
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Robert Is hope you’re right, but the ankle bracelets are a different matter.
Speyside Offline
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Seems like various levels of government are offering reason for ALL Americans to unite. Fachist actions and Communist actions. Z I read it and it chilled me to the bone. HLS in Portland chills me to the bone also. Maybe we can all agree on government over reach being dangerous to us all. I would nevercsign government internment paperwork either. Nor do I accept HLS disappearing people.
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85 Infants Test Positive For Covid-19 Coronavirus In Texas County

Welcome to 2020, infants, a year in which adults, you know the big versions of you, have not done a great job of controlling the spread of the Covid-19 coronavirus in the U.S. The virus has been surging of recent in Texas, home of Nueces County which includes the city of Corpus Christi.

It’s not clear how most of these infants are now doing health-wise. According to Alexandria Rodriguez and Ashlee Burns reporting for the Corpus Christi Caller Times, a six-week-old boy, who had tested positive for the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV2) ending up dying of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). However, it has yet to be determined what specific role the Covid-19 coronavirus may have played in the infant’s death.

These are real infants and not adults acting like infants. So you can’t blame them for catching the virus. Infants aren’t the ones ignoring public health recommendations, claiming that masks are suppressing their freedoms, and posting on social media conspiracy theories such as claiming that the pandemic is a hoax. Infants aren’t the ones who have failed to take enough action to contain the virus and looked for others to blame. Correction, infants who are less than one year of age, aren’t the ones. Instead, real infants kind of lie around, cry, and burp.

Nonetheless, add infants to the rapidly growing list of people directly affected by the U.S.’s failure to contain the virus. Infants are of particular concern not just because they are cute and supposed to have their whole lives ahead of them but also because they have weaker immune systems. Weaker immune systems may make them more susceptible to worse outcomes from Covid-19 coronavirus infections. Their immune systems are like Ryan Gosling in the movie Remember the Titans. They haven’t quite figured things out yet, needing time to fully develop and learn from the world around them.

Plus, a study published in Nature suggests that infants may have weaker immune systems for another reason. Weaker immune systems may allow good bacteria, such as the kind that makes poop smell bad, to move in and colonize their bodies. Of course, if this is the case, then leaving the door open in this way, could allow some bad visitors as well.

Since the Covid-19 coronavirus is still so new, there haven’t been too many studies on what happens to different infants when they get infected. A new publication in the Journal of the Pediatric Infectious Diseases Society does detail four cases of newborns hospitalized with fevers and found to have SARS-CoV-2 infections. Two of these infants had such difficulty breathing that they had to be admitted to the intensive care unit. One of the newborns ended up receiving remdesivir. Although all four newborns ended up surviving, this case series showed that Covid-19 can be much more than a mild illness for infants.

Infants probably won’t be raising their little fists and saying, “darn you 2020,” because they can’t quite talk yet and have no other year as a point of reference. However, adults should know that this year infants may face even more risks and tougher times than in previous years. Many adult decisions will affect infants even when infants do not seem directly involved. For example, most infants don’t go to school yet, unless they are incredibly advanced. Nevertheless, opening schools prematurely would not only put the students, teachers, and school staff at risk but also could result in students bringing the virus home with them and subsequently infecting any infants who may be in the same household.

Therefore, whether you follow recommended public health measures could end up affecting infants, even if you are not an infant yourself, at least age-wise.

Forbes
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Trump Announces Revival of Televised Coronavirus Briefings Amid Recent Surge

President Donald Trump said that he will resume holding coronavirus press briefings at the White House, likely starting Tuesday, as a sharp rise in cases across the nation coincides with his declining poll numbers.

Trump, speaking in the Oval Office, told reporters Monday that “we have had this big flare-up in Florida, Texas, a couple of other places,” while maintaining that “a lot of the country is doing well” in its fight against the pandemic. “And so I think what we’re going to do is, I’ll get involved and we’ll start doing briefings, whether it’s this afternoon or tomorrow, probably tomorrow, and I’ll do briefings,” Trump said.

The decision to restart the briefings followed internal polling showing the White House that the Trump administration’s response to the pandemic and its messaging were not breaking through, NBC News reported, citing a senior administration official.

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany appeared to confirm to Fox News later Monday that the next such briefing was set for 5 p.m. ET on Tuesday.

Read the source article at cnbc.com
victor809 Offline
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Forgot the most important part of the briefing:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/21/politics/trump-coronavirus-briefing/index.html?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark



so far they're not going to actually have anyone with any actual information at them.
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Surreal.
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somebody musta told him the he has to at least PRETEND to care about the pandemic and all the people dying and stuff...

his briefing was read in such a monotone that it was obvious his heart wasn't in it...no points of emphasis...no eye contact with the camera...no apparent emotional buy-in
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delta1 wrote:
somebody musta told him the he has to at least PRETEND to care about the pandemic and all the people dying and stuff...

his briefing was read in such a monotone that it was obvious his heart wasn't in it...no points of emphasis...no eye contact with the camera...no apparent emotional buy-in

no familiarity with what was written...
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And no science or experts.
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Study Shows School-Aged Children Are Most Likely to Spread Coronavirus

US school districts are facing tough decisions about resuming in-person classes this fall.

The nation’s daily coronavirus cases continue to climb, but the switch to remote learning has already stymied children’s progress and led to higher rates of absenteeism — particularly among low-income students, who are more likely to lack internet access.

Many questions remain about infection and transmission rates among kids, but a new study from South Korea found that school-aged children — ages 10 to 19 — are more likely to spread the coronavirus to their household contacts than any other age group.

The study was conducted from January 20 to March 27, when schools in South Korea were closed. The researchers traced the contacts of more than 5,700 coronavirus patients, including around 10,600 people who lived with an infected person and another 48,500 who did not.

Business Insider
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CDC Updates COVID-19 Isolation Guidelines to 10 Days

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has updated its guidance on how long most people in the U.S. should isolate after testing positive for COVID-19.

In guidance posted online, the agency states that available information on the infectiousness of the virus indicates that most adults with mild to moderate cases of COVID-19 remain infectious “no longer than 10 days” after the date on which their symptoms first began.

Instead of a 14-day quarantine window, the CDC now recommends 10 days after the onset of symptoms and 24 hours after a fever has broken.

“For most persons with COVID-19 illness, isolation and precautions can generally be discontinued 10 days after symptom onset and resolution of fever for at least 24 hours, without the use of fever-reducing medications, and with improvement of other symptoms,” the agency states.

Fox
victor809 Offline
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Florida seems to have found the key to keeping their covid cases stable. They've been at about 10k new cases a day for a couple weeks now....

Of course, part of that key is keeping total tests at about 60k a day. They've been running a pretty consistent 18-20% positive rate for much of the time.

If you keep test capacity fixed, then for a period of time you'll keep your positive tests fixed. heh.
tonygraz Offline
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I don't understand how some people can disagree with that, but some do.
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victor809 wrote:


If you keep test capacity fixed, then for a period of time you'll keep your positive tests fixed. heh.




So why even test everyone?
20% is 20%.

The real number is the percent who test positive that aren't:
A. symptomatic
B. known to have been near a positive case.

this would give the % of the general population that have it.

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tailgater wrote:
So why even test everyone?
20% is 20%.

The real number is the percent who test positive that aren't:
A. symptomatic
B. known to have been near a positive case.

this would give the % of the general population that have it.



You would only get that number with a rigorous and RANDOM sample of the population.

And that number will fluctuate with the spread of the virus. It's not really a meaningful number unless it's close to 60% (which seems to be where we get close to herd immunity).

Right now, 20% of the people who are concerned enough to go out and get a test (I don't know about FL, but in MO if you want a test, you first have to actually go to a Dr, then they'll give you a note saying you should then go and get a test) have tested positive. That's a much, much different sample pool than the general population. At the point 20% of FL has contracted the coronavirus, we should expect possibly 40k-80k dead from that state alone.

I don't have a ton of information about FL. But I find it curious that their testing has remained roughly at 60k.
Let's do a little mental exercise...
If you don't increase your test facility capacity, personnel, hours etc, you will have a fixed limit to the number of tests total you can do in your state.
If your demand for testing begins to exceed the daily capacity, you will always have some people who will not be tested that day. They may go untested, or push out to the next day, which would then push someone else out, who may go untested or push out the next... etc...etc....
At the point in time that happens, you're no longer actually testing the number of new cases a day (you never really are, but for the sake of this argument lets pretend the daily new cases tested is normally closer to reality). What you're now testing is the % of people who think they need a test, who actually do.

So.... what makes up the population of "people who think they need a test"?
... people who are in contact with someone who's tested positive (if one worker tests positive, probably 20 or so coworkers need to go get tested... if that person is in a service industry, you may have an enormous number)
... people who feel ill (with COVID, or with a cold or something else)
... hypochondriacs...

there's probably a few other categories. But as you can see, it's pretty easy to see how 80% of the people going to get a test may not actually be infected. And how that percentage could hold pretty stable for a long while (until the virus actually gets to close to 20% infection of the state, at which point you'll start to see the % positive start going well beyond 20%)
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