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COVID19 is winning.
frankj1 Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
Maybe just covid on steroids.

that might kill the covid
victor809 Offline
#252 Posted:
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It'll at least give it acne and tiny testicles...
HockeyDad Offline
#253 Posted:
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Kinda weird that we haven’t rolled out the army field hospitals again the navy hospital ships.
victor809 Offline
#254 Posted:
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Give it time. It's looking like you won't be disappointed.
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#255 Posted:
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I did hear today that Covid droplets are most commonly spread between the height of four to six feet do they best way to avoid it is to wear a mask and crawl when unable to social distance.
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Fake News!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW6RWSiR88s
rfenst Online
#257 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I did hear today that Covid droplets are most commonly spread between the height of four to six feet do they best way to avoid it is to wear a mask and crawl when unable to social distance.


I heard today that that symptoms begin 2-3 days after infection and that 5 days is the most common length of time until full blown symptoms come on. I also read that social distance of up to 12 feet may be necessary and

Anyhow, here is the article I read on mask effectiveness:

SEEING IS BELIEVING: EFFECTIVENESS OF FACEMASKS

Currently, there are no specific guidelines on the most effective materials and designs for face masks to minimize the spread of droplets from coughs or sneezes to mitigate the transmission of COVID-19. While there have been prior studies on how medical-grade masks perform, data on cloth-based coverings used by the vast majority of the general public are sparse.

Research from Florida Atlantic University’s College of Engineering and Computer Science, just published in the journal Physics of Fluids, demonstrates through visualization of emulated coughs and sneezes, a method to assess the effectiveness of facemasks in obstructing droplets. The rationale behind the recommendation for using masks or other face coverings is to reduce the risk of cross-infection via the transmission of respiratory droplets from infected to healthy individuals.

Researchers employed flow visualization in a laboratory setting using a laser light sheet and a mixture of distilled water and glycerin to generate the synthetic fog that made up the content of a cough-jet. They visualized droplets expelled from a mannequin’s mouth while simulating coughing and sneezing. They tested masks that are readily available to the general public, which do not draw away from the supply of medical-grade masks and respirators for healthcare workers. They tested a single-layer bandana-style covering, a homemade mask that was stitched using two-layers of cotton quilting fabric consisting of 70 threads per inch, and a non-sterile cone-style mask that is available in most pharmacies. By placing these various masks on the mannequin, they were able to map out the paths of droplets and demonstrate how differently they perform.

Results showed that loosely folded facemasks and bandana-style coverings stop aerosolized respiratory droplets to some degree. However, well-fitted homemade masks with multiple layers of quilting fabric, and off-the-shelf cone style masks, proved to be the most effective in reducing droplet dispersal. These masks were able to curtail the speed and range of the respiratory jets significantly, albeit with some leakage through the mask material and from small gaps along the edges.

Importantly, uncovered emulated coughs were able to travel noticeably farther than the currently recommended 6-foot distancing guideline. Without a mask, droplets traveled more than 8 feet; with a bandana, they traveled 3 feet, 7 inches; with a folded cotton handkerchief, they traveled 1 foot, 3 inches; with the stitched quilting cotton mask, they traveled 2.5 inches; and with the cone-style mask, droplets traveled about 8 inches.

“In addition to providing an initial indication of the effectiveness of protective equipment, the visuals used in our study can help convey to the general public the rationale behind social-distancing guidelines and recommendations for using facemasks,” said Siddhartha Verma, Ph.D., lead author and an assistant professor who co-authored the paper with Manhar Dhanak, Ph.D., department chair, professor, and director of SeaTech; and John Frakenfeld, technical paraprofessional, all within FAU’s Department of Ocean and Mechanical Engineering. “Promoting widespread awareness of effective preventive measures is crucial at this time as we are observing significant spikes in cases of COVID-19 infections in many states, especially Florida.”

When the mannequin was not fitted with a mask, they projected droplets much farther than the 6-foot distancing guidelines currently recommended by the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The researchers observed droplets traveling up to 12 feet within approximately 50 seconds. Moreover, the tracer droplets remained suspended midair for up to three minutes in the quiescent environment. These observations, in combination with other recent studies, suggest that current social-distancing guidelines may need to be updated to account for aerosol-based transmission of pathogens.

“We found that although the unobstructed turbulent jets were observed to travel up to 12 feet, a large majority of the ejected droplets fell to the ground by this point,” said Dhanak. “Importantly, both the number and concentration of the droplets will decrease with increasing distance, which is the fundamental rationale behind social-distancing.”

The pathogen responsible for COVID-19 is found primarily in respiratory droplets that are expelled by infected individuals during coughing, sneezing, or even talking and breathing. Apart from COVID-19, respiratory droplets also are the primary means of transmission for various other viral and bacterial illnesses, such as the common cold, influenza, tuberculosis, SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome), and MERS (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome), to name a few. These pathogens are enveloped within respiratory droplets, which may land on healthy individuals and result in direct transmission, or on inanimate objects, which can lead to infection when a healthy individual comes in contact with them.

“Our researchers have demonstrated how masks are able to significantly curtail the speed and range of the respiratory droplets and jets. Moreover, they have uncovered how emulated coughs can travel noticeably farther than the currently recommended six-foot distancing guideline,” said Stella Batalama, Ph.D., dean of FAU’s College of Engineering and Computer Science. “Their research outlines the procedure for setting up simple visualization experiments using easily available materials, which may help healthcare professionals, medical researchers, and manufacturers in assessing the effectiveness of face masks and other personal protective equipment qualitatively.”

-FAU-
delta1 Offline
#258 Posted:
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Looks like I'll be at home a while longer...with the weather heating up and the sun shining bright, I'll be out in the backyard and in the pool...virus can't get me there...
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rfenst wrote:
I heard today that that symptoms begin 2-3 days after infection and that 5 days is the most common length of time until full blown symptoms come on. I also read that social distance of up to 12 feet may be necessary and


Remember when I told you it could travel 6.5 feet and you doubted me?
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#260 Posted:
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I never doubt you.
victor809 Offline
#261 Posted:
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Ya know... we haven't looked in on how COVID is doing recently.
Yesterday was a strong day.... 55,400.... but I think it could have been better. Florida was really slacking. CA and TX had to pick up the slack. BTW, TX has been a real MVP through the past week. Another exciting point, yesterday almost hit 1000 dead, bringing those numbers back up after almost a month of sub-1000 daily deaths. These states are really bringing the heat now.

Anyway, let's look at how today is shaping up.
#1 - FL - Florida has now taken to reporting all their COVID cases for the day by about 1030am. We're assuming this is so they can just make the number up all at once, rather than fabricating different numbers throughout the day. Today they came out with 9989, a real improvement from yesterday's 7347. This shot them straight to #1, but is it enough to hold that position after Texas and California finish up their tallies?

#2 - AZ with 3,520. AZ also has started reporting all numbers at once around 10am. They came in strong, but obviously couldn't hold off Florida. And it's pretty likely they will not be able to hold this position from TX and CA either. Yesterday this was enough to hold the #4 spot, let's see if they can do it again.

#3 - Louisiana - LA has been creeping up the charts and is now reporting 1,888. for a state that frequently only has 1000 cases, this is an impressive uptick. Side note, I was going to go to New Orleans this friday for vacation. I'm glad I switched locations ans LA is getting HOT HOT HOT , and I'm not talking about the weather!

#4 - Alabama - With 1,177 cases so far today, it's amazing to see such a small state bring the COVID like this. Experts are still trying to figure out how the COVID is spreading through AL, as almost 98.2% of the population is only having sex with immediate family.

#5 - North Carolina - 788. We know NC is going to bring a few more cases today. Yesterday states needed at least 3k to stay in the top 5, so NC is going to have to step it up. They have been bumped from the top 5 by Georgia for a while. And everyone hates Georgia.
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Bit of a shake up as the day progresses...
As expected FL and AZ remain in the 1 & 2 spots for now, with no changes. Same with the #3 spot LA
but South Carolina has swept in to #4 with a lot of momentum, displacing Alabama and knocking North Carolina out of the top 5. sC has 1,557 and is looking at that #3 LA real close.
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And everyone's least favorite state Georgia is coming into the second half of the day strong. Moving in out of nowhere to the #3 spot with 3,420, really showing us that you need those 3k numbers to play in the top 5. This knocks Louisiana and South Carolina down to 4 & 5 respectively, because they have shown no initiative. North Carolina is out of the top 5 for now, but may still make a comeback.
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#264 Posted:
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I tell ya, you just cannot take your eyes off these results for even a minute!
We have a real surge from our states this afternoon, as total cases reaches 47,626, and folks, the day is not over yet.

California has surged to the #2 spot with 4,186, and we know they have the ability to take FL's #1 spot away from them
Texas has moved up to the #4 spot with 3,488, just a couple patients away from AZ's now #3 spot.
Georgia, the worst state, remains in the #5 spot , but Tennessee is seeing if they can take it from them
delta1 Offline
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Trump says that "the US is in a good place" in how we are dealing with the pandemic

he insisted that if he hadn't done such a great job, there coulda been deaths in the millions...


It sure looks like he's lost all interest in shaping any meaningful response to the virus from the federal government, and is content to sit back and watch what happens in the individual states...you know... because he's not interested in the United States...

he's even planning to withdraw from W.H.O., at a time when shared global expertise is a critical strategy for every nation fighting the coronavirus...
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#266 Posted:
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Covid is all over Florida. Counties and cities are making up their own laws. People frequently won't wear masks even if there is a sign in front giving notice of the law and stating that masks are required. Costco is the only store with strict enforcement.
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another example of Trump's disengagement from the pandemic fight...he is ignoring strategies that could help the economy

economists for the esteemed and venerated conservative Wall Street financial corporation, Goldman Sachs, put out an opinion piece that predicted a federal mask mandate would prevent the need for renewed lockdowns in response to the potential infections, and save a 5% drop in GDP...

that's just from the financial/economic point of view...other benefits would be reduced hospitalizations and deaths, less consumption of medical resources, fewer sick people with lifetime health issues...
frankj1 Offline
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delta1 wrote:
Trump says that "the US is in a good place" in how we are dealing with the pandemic

he insisted that if he hadn't done such a great job, there coulda been deaths in the millions...


It sure looks like he's lost all interest in shaping any meaningful response to the virus from the federal government, and is content to sit back and watch what happens in the individual states...you know... because he's not interested in the United States...

he's even planning to withdraw from W.H.O., at a time when shared global expertise is a critical strategy for every nation fighting the coronavirus...

he's abandoned the job
he's abandoned the office.
HockeyDad Offline
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I’m just glad this epidemic is almost over.
victor809 Offline
#270 Posted:
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Holy crap... It's a record breaking day ladies and gentlemen!
With the day not even over yet , TX rockets to the #1 spot with a stunning 10,131 cases and helping to propel the nation to above 60,000!!! No nation has EVER broken 60,000 cases in a day! USA! USA!

Florida is still holding off CA, but for how much longer? And AZ and Georgia are remaining in the #4 AND #5 spots for now.
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I had faith in Texas!
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Arizona is the smallest dog in the fight. But it has the biggest fight in the dog. They shouldn't even be in the top ten. But their efforts are insane. Victor, you might want to think about ranking based on positivity rate at least once a week.
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Dr. Fauci gave a blunt assessment of how the US is handling the coronavirus pandemic: Not great

Top US infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci gave a blunt assessment of how the United States is handling the coronavirus pandemic compared to other countries.

Some cities, he said, were following the guidelines and controlling their outbreaks. "But as a country, when you compare us to other countries, I don't think you can say we're doing great," Fauci told the FiveThirtyEight podcast. "I mean, we're just not."

Part of that has to do with how states, cities, and their populations have responded to the pandemic, he said, whether that was opening up too quickly or ignoring social distancing guidelines and calls to wear masks.

In another interview, Fauci also discussed the particular conditions of the virus in this pandemic, which have left states struggling to respond.

Not to be hyperbolic about it — it really is the perfect storm and [an] infectious disease and public health person's worst nightmare," Fauci said at an event hosted by the news website The Hill, citing a report by CNN.

"It's a spectacularly transmissible virus. The efficiency with which this transmits is really striking."

Health experts have urged people to socially distance and wear masks or cloth face coverings in order to mitigate the spread of the virus, though the recommendations have not been taken to heart by some as people who continue to fight the health safety precautions.

Federal social distancing guidelines expired at the end of April, and states — which had largely imposed "stay-at-home" orders and shuttered most businesses — began to reopen their economies. However, some states lacked a comprehensive testing and contact tracing infrastructure, a system designed to suppress new infections rather than simply mitigating the spread.

Now, some states — namely Arizona, California, Florida, and Texas — and the US as a whole are seeing record-high daily increases in confirmed cases as the country once again grapples with coronavirus outbreaks.

"Now what we need to do in this country is to successfully make that transition from baseline control to safely be reopening the country, and following the guidelines are going to be critical," Fauci said.

"And I think what we've seen unfortunately, is that in some of the Southern states, the states have not really followed those guidelines in some respects, and jumped over the benchmarks, and the points that needed to be checkpoints," he said. "We've got to do better."

As director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and a health expert on the White House coronavirus task force, Americans have looked to Fauci for a sense of guidance and knowledge amid the constantly developing pandemic.

In May, Fauci said he sets an example for Americans of what "you should be doing" by wearing a mask, a practice encouraged by health experts to lower one's risk of coronavirus infection by containing an individual's respiratory droplets which may carry viral particles.

However, President Donald Trump, whose remarks about the coronavirus are often at odds with Fauci and other health experts, doesn't take the same solace in Fauci's health recommendations and infectious disease expertise as some Americans do.

"Dr. Fauci, he's a nice man, but he's made a lot of mistakes," Trump said in an interview Thursday with Fox News' Sean Hannity.

During the interview, the president went on to say he has "no problem" with masks.

"I think it's fine to wear a mask if it makes you feel comfortable," Trump said, adding that he will wear one during a visit to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center. "You're in a hospital setting. I think it's a very appropriate thing. I have no problem with a mask."

However, Trump has repeatedly refused to wear a mask during events in and outside of the White House, as well as during times when he is unable to socially distance.
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Speyside wrote:
Arizona is the smallest dog in the fight. But it has the biggest fight in the dog. They shouldn't even be in the top ten. But their efforts are insane. Victor, you might want to think about ranking based on positivity rate at least once a week.


If you consider Az is only testing in the highest impact areas including the Navajo res then we are #1 per capita. If we tested randomly the numbers might be a whole lot different.

I just read that ASU has developed a saliva test and is starting wide spread testing this weekend.
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That was a misprint about ASU. They developed a social distancing beer bong. 8’ hose.
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So all states are now supposed to send their covid data to the white house, rather than the CDC.

So I predict all covid cases will drop to zero soon.
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victor809 wrote:
So all states are now supposed to send their covid data to the white house, rather than the CDC.

So I predict all covid cases will drop to zero soon.

this is beyond belief.
any fence sitters should drop off now
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You know it won't make a bit of difference to anyone anymore.

There are no more fence sitters. Those who support trump will claim this will stop that evil deep state CDC from falsifying the covid numbers (we've already seen that claim here). Those who already think trump is an imbecile with no even moderate intention of resolving the pandemic aren't going to be surprised (well thats a lie... I'm frequently surprised at the depths to which he's willing to sink)...

No one has been sitting on the fence these days
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I miss tw.
HockeyDad Offline
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victor809 wrote:
So all states are now supposed to send their covid data to the white house, rather than the CDC.

So I predict all covid cases will drop to zero soon.


About damn time we get those numbers down!
HockeyDad Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I miss tw.


‘Rona got him?
frankj1 Offline
#282 Posted:
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that's what I heard
HockeyDad Offline
#283 Posted:
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I told him to wear a fricking mask but he refused.
frankj1 Offline
#284 Posted:
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he said he couldn't breathe
HockeyDad Offline
#285 Posted:
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It’s just a mask. It’s not like it’s a cop’s knee or something.

He was just stubborn.
victor809 Offline
#286 Posted:
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Been an odd couple days for Covid.

the sites I usually use for COVID infection data seem to be reporting extraordinarily low numbers. Like, Florida reported in today by 9:30am with 4,700 cases only. This is a state that's been at 9k or 10k every day last week, usually reported at around 10:30 am. It's peculiar that this would change so suddenly.

A lot of other states seem low. Where we were hitting 30k by noon last week, we're looking at 32k at 3:30pm.


Now, if you look at the JHU testing tracker, it shows that last week actually decreased our testing (while still increasing our positive cases)... so I'm wondering if we've either reduced our testing even further starting this week, or if there's something else screwing up the numbers.

It's perfectly possible for 70k to be our rough "peak" for new infections each day.... but without anything changing in either how we're reporting or testing, there's no reason for that number to plummet.

Of course, this could all be due to the white house funneling all reporting to themselves and cutting out the CDC.
HockeyDad Offline
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It might be that we are far enough out from the major protests, rioting, and looting that we are seeing a decline in the spread.

It could be reduced testing. Best way to not get diagnosed with the ‘Rona is to not get tested.

It could all the people all JHU are dead from the ‘Rona.

It could be the virus is just going away like some predicted.

It could be the people who fake the stats took a vacation week and didn’t properly train their replacement on how to count shootings in Democrat controlled cities as Covid.
victor809 Offline
#288 Posted:
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Really buying into a bunch of misinformation all at once there. I at least stuck to one conspiracy theory.
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If you’re fine with just the bare minimum number of conspiracy theories, that’s ok. Here at Le HockeyDad Torch & Pitchforks, we like to encourage you to express yourself and not just do the bare minimum. You want to express yourself, don’t you?
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#290 Posted:
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What is this?

Some new side venture?

Selling pieces of flair now @ LeHD T&P?

https://youtu.be/3vdcw415OcQ
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#291 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
If you’re fine with just the bare minimum number of conspiracy theories, that’s ok. Here at Le HockeyDad Torch & Pitchforks, we like to encourage you to express yourself and not just do the bare minimum. You want to express yourself, don’t you?


Torch and Pitchfork sales really down eh. Sorry lil' buddy, I'm sure things will pick up.
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victor809 wrote:
Torch and Pitchfork sales really down eh. Sorry lil' buddy, I'm sure things will pick up.


Just a bit of a holding pattern. The Democratic National Committee still needs to finalize the next round of riots...Prolly September so the ‘Rona spikes in October.
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Florida and other east coast states have shut down many of their testing facilities due to a hurricane on the east coast.
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#294 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Florida and other east coast states have shut down many of their testing facilities due to a hurricane on the east coast.


I totally forgot about that. Yeah, I remember hearing testing sites would close for that.
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I'm guessing we'll see less and less testing as time goes on simply because most people don't want to go through that process multiple times...
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