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frankj1 Offline
#101 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 5:38 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I never mentioned Constitutional rights. Rights are something given to you by the government. (I know some will disagree.). They are also taken away by the government.

You have to have a flush away system because the government took away that right in many areas. It doesn’t matter what people think. You have to have a backup camera on your car.

One fun thing we’ve learned in the past six months is what happens to “rights” when there is a declaration of emergency.

wasn't limiting it to your post, been lots of weeping here for a few months, people sitting shiva for the Constitution.

Oddly, I'm not as far from you on this latest post as you might imagine.
Not that anyone has been worried.
HockeyDad Offline
#102 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 5:52 PM EST
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We do love our Constitution but if you add up all the federal, state, county, and city laws that govern you and compare it to other counties, we aren’t nearly as free as we would like to think.
delta1 Offline
#103 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 6:01 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Wait a minute.....

You are not under any orders or decrees or emergency anything right now from Trump and haven’t been. Exactly which orders, decrees, and emergency anythings are you demanding that Trump dictate to you and should have a long time ago?

I know you’re under a s&$t-ton of orders and decrees and emergency anythings right now because you’re in California and both your county and state are telling you what bit of remaining freedom you have during this unprecedented time.





his primary function of POTUS during a national emergency is to provide leadership and a structure of an organized, planned, resourced response...when states are overwhelmed, the next level of government, the fed, must step up to provide a coherent national response plan...this national emergency response framework brought great responsibility and authority to FEMA, emergency regulations which were the result of GWBush's perceived failures during Hurricane Katrina...

Trump engaged this framework when he declared an emergency and put FEMA in charge...he should have ensured they produced results based on assessment and planning...instead, he's been all over the map, mostly doing and saying the wrong things...and undermining the people he put in charge at FEMA, the FDA and CDC...

testing, testing, and more testing: in the early stages of the pandemic the best procedure for the public to follow, recognized by public health experts worldwide is to : lock down, stay at home, social distance if you have to go to work, wear masks when out of the home to control the spread...the govt is supposed to do widespread testing to identify and isolate infected people and do contact tracing to identify people close to those infected and isolate them...the CDC botched its first testing efforts and it has never been a priority since...we're never going to control the spread because we lack the will to do the necessary testing

another example of an early failure was the reality that our first responders and healthcare workers were ill equipped with PPE...Trump did very little, when he had the power to do a lot...they are still facing shortages in many places today...

Trump's main failure was his wishful thinking...he predicted the problem would disappear, and reinforced that notion by focusing the fed response to support the stock market, rather than focusing on the needs of citizens falling ill and dying and the medical centers and their staff getting overwhelmed...this business first attitude kept repeating itself when Trump demanded re-opening too soon...and criticizing states while supporting anti-virus protesters who demanded their freedom...

hydroxychloroquine, ingesting disinfectants, inserting UV lights into the body...then I'm not responsible...this is on the governors now...exit stage left


Trump likes to go through the motions of governing, but lacks the competence and the will to do the actual work
HockeyDad Offline
#104 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 6:34 PM EST
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So you aren’t under any orders from Trump and don’t want to be. Kinda what I thought. You wanted him to do more better but not issue you any orders.

“Testing, testing, and more testing: in the early stages of the pandemic the best procedure for the public to follow, recognized by public health experts worldwide is to : lock down, stay at home, social distance if you have to go to work, wear masks when out of the home to control the spread...the govt is supposed to do widespread testing to identify and isolate infected people and do contact tracing to identify people close to those infected and isolate them...the CDC botched its first testing efforts and it has never been a priority since...we're never going to control the spread because we lack the will to do the necessary testing”

You’ve been under these orders from your state and county since March. The CDC isn’t controlling the testing in your area. Your state was never overwhelmed thus requiring the Feds to step in yet you got a fancy hospital ship and army field hospitals that were never even used.
victor809 Offline
#105 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 6:38 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
So you aren’t under any orders from Trump and don’t want to be. Kinda what I thought. You wanted him to do more better but not issue you any orders.

“Testing, testing, and more testing: in the early stages of the pandemic the best procedure for the public to follow, recognized by public health experts worldwide is to : lock down, stay at home, social distance if you have to go to work, wear masks when out of the home to control the spread...the govt is supposed to do widespread testing to identify and isolate infected people and do contact tracing to identify people close to those infected and isolate them...the CDC botched its first testing efforts and it has never been a priority since...we're never going to control the spread because we lack the will to do the necessary testing”

You’ve been under these orders from your state and county since March. The CDC isn’t controlling the testing in your area. Your state was never overwhelmed thus requiring the Feds to step in yet you got a fancy hospital ship and army field hospitals that were never even used.



He actually undermined the state orders.
You don't recall him encouraging individual states to open up earlier?
delta1 Offline
#106 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 7:14 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
So you aren’t under any orders from Trump and don’t want to be. Kinda what I thought. You wanted him to do more better but not issue you any orders.

“Testing, testing, and more testing: in the early stages of the pandemic the best procedure for the public to follow, recognized by public health experts worldwide is to : lock down, stay at home, social distance if you have to go to work, wear masks when out of the home to control the spread...the govt is supposed to do widespread testing to identify and isolate infected people and do contact tracing to identify people close to those infected and isolate them...the CDC botched its first testing efforts and it has never been a priority since...we're never going to control the spread because we lack the will to do the necessary testing”

You’ve been under these orders from your state and county since March. The CDC isn’t controlling the testing in your area. Your state was never overwhelmed thus requiring the Feds to step in yet you got a fancy hospital ship and army field hospitals that were never even used.




there you go again...putting your words into my post, after you've misunderstood my primary points...orders from the POTUS have little effect, except to his federal workers under his command...he has failed there...

his statements to the general public have little authority, legally...but they do have great effect...a huge example of this is his repudiation of masks...which have proven to slow the spread and save lives throughout the world...

in a nutshell: Trump failed to lead by not directing his FEMA Fed govt. resources to assist the states...he failed to get testing right at the beginning all the way through to the present...he could've directed/ordered people to do those things, but didn't... lives lost were the result


if he hadn't scoffed and ridiculed mask wearing in public, the death count throughout the US may be lower... he is responsible for the entire US, not just CA....he could have supported state Govs who issued stay-at-home orders, but he pressured them to back off, supporting the armed militia who protested them (presumably because they were Dem Govs)...those GOP Govs who followed his lead have come to regret that strategy...FL, GA, AZ, TX, MS, MI...

he politicized an emergency when the emergency required us all to work together...our conversation starkly illustrates that
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#107 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 7:41 PM EST
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The emergency was politicized when Trump shut down flights from China and the Democrats screamed xenophobia. At that point the virus was weaponized. It might have been slightly different if it it wasn’t an election year. Slightly.

The GOP governors haven’t come to regret their reopening strategy. They’re still open and have been for months. Here in California we never opened and are still closed and our ‘Rona numbers aren’t any different than the opened states but we need Nancy Pelosi to deliver $60 billion to fix our blown up state budget. You and I both know the hospitals are empty, we have thousands of respirators in warehouses and were buried in PPE and yet we talk like we’re going to dead in a few weeks from ‘Rona.

You’re mad because Trump didn’t encourage you to wear a mask but you were already under orders to wear a mask since March from your county! I’m surprised you managed to survive.
frankj1 Offline
#108 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 8:33 PM EST
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flights from China were not shut down. It's one of the bigger, if not the biggest lie, in all of this mess.

Certain (ethnic) people were banned from taking them here, but thousands of others, the number I seem to recall is FORTY THOUSAND, were allowed here and were not tested nor quarantined.

Also not true, several states have in fact reclosed, or at least partially reclosed, and others are in even worse shape than months ago...heading into flu season and essentially virus friendly weather.

It's a losing game to retweet "facts" from Trump.
delta1 Offline
#109 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 8:33 PM EST
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^ we let back in Americans who were infected




I'm mad because.... 186K deaths and counting...
HockeyDad Offline
#110 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 8:57 PM EST
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We shut flights down except for Americans to get back in. You wanted those Americans to be abandoned overseas? We were doing repatriation flights for months as was every other nation.

So which of those GOP states have reclosed or partially reclosed and are all about to die in flu season? I’m assuming those states flip to Biden if you can get past the piles of bodies to vote.
ZRX1200 Offline
#111 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 8:57 PM EST
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And you are mad at Trump......

Gavin, Nancy, Kamala, none of the Ca politicians made one booboo!

Our governor Kate 💩 complained that we weren’t getting what we needed.....and one week after the ventilators we had to have arrived THEY ALL got sent to Cuomo where they didn’t get used.

Did someone claim ALL FLIGHTS were cancelled?
“One of the big lies”
Did he make moves that were unpopular to the left because he’s Trump that saved lives and got criticized for it? Yup.

So glad to see folks who didn’t like constant negative attention for the half white POTUS only sing one note.

(This post wasn’t for any one person btw....)
frankj1 Offline
#112 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 9:28 PM EST
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"flights from China were stopped and I saved lives" rough quote, not wildly inaccurate.

who here inferred it meant "...except for many thousands of untested, and non-quarantined people who were not Chinese"?
Sure sounds like even to this day the claims are that no entry was allowed...flat out lie.
Parties of 100 are creating hot spots all over the country. But 40,000!!! No tests? No quarantine?
How many Chinese would have normally flown in in the same time period?
What 's the difference what race of 40,000 people flew in from China?


Any doubt they were so called super spreaders?

beside that:

It was the time spent trying to downplay what they knew to be true that killed extras, more so than just this lie.
We had weeks to react and instead wasted several more weeks before this was even acknowledged.

Does anyone think the world was telling the USA it's a nothing burger?
Anyone think this would have been dealt with in a second term or early first term differently...cuz when it comes to getting (re)elected, "it's the economy, stupid".
delta1 Offline
#113 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 9:35 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
We shut flights down except for Americans to get back in. You wanted those Americans to be abandoned overseas? We were doing repatriation flights for months as was every other nation.

So which of those GOP states have reclosed or partially reclosed and are all about to die in flu season? I’m assuming those states flip to Biden if you can get past the piles of bodies to vote.




no...let them back in but isolate and test them before releasing them back into the population...quarantine the positive ones...
HockeyDad Offline
#114 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:00 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
no...let them back in but isolate and test them before releasing them back into the population...quarantine the positive ones...


We did that with the cruise ships once we knew it could transmit human to human. Covid camps. It’s been a while since we rounded up Americans and put them in camps. Democrats did that once.
HockeyDad Offline
#115 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:13 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
"flights from China were stopped and I saved lives" rough quote, not wildly inaccurate.

who here inferred it meant "...except for many thousands of untested, and non-quarantined people who were not Chinese"?
Sure sounds like even to this day the claims are that no entry was allowed...flat out lie.
Parties of 100 are creating hot spots all over the country. But 40,000!!! No tests? No quarantine?
How many Chinese would have normally flown in in the same time period?
What 's the difference what race of 40,000 people flew in from China?


Any doubt they were so called super spreaders?

beside that:

It was the time spent trying to downplay what they knew to be true that killed extras, more so than just this lie.
We had weeks to react and instead wasted several more weeks before this was even acknowledged.

Does anyone think the world was telling the USA it's a nothing burger?
Anyone think this would have been dealt with in a second term or early first term differently...cuz when it comes to getting (re)elected, "it's the economy, stupid".



Entry was allowed for US citizens. The 40,000 covered lots of races with Blue passports. None of the 40,000 had Covid.

During the same time period 780,000 would have flow here.

The term super spreader Was created months later to terrify you.
ZRX1200 Offline
#116 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2020, 12:34 AM EST
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So we’re the white Americans “super spreaders” or was it minorities?

Do we have a break down for that, and how does one become a “super spreader”?

If it doesn’t have to do with legs I don’t get it.
tonygraz Offline
#117 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2020, 7:01 AM EST
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I never figured you for a leg man.
bgz Offline
#118 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2020, 8:19 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:

Do we have a break down for that, and how does one become a “super spreader”?


First, you have to stretch...
victor809 Offline
#119 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2020, 9:29 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Entry was allowed for US citizens. The 40,000 covered lots of races with Blue passports. None of the 40,000 had Covid.


Why do you think they didn't have COVID?
there doesn't appear to be any way of knowing that.


Per the DHS in mid March: "Upon arrival, travelers will proceed to standard customs processing. They will then continue to enhanced entry screening where the passenger will be asked about their medical history, current condition, and asked for contact information for local health authorities. Passengers will then be given written guidance about COVID-19 and directed to proceed to their final destination, and immediately home-quarantine in accordance with CDC best practices."

Basically, any US citizens coming back from Europe or China were funneled through 13 airports, asked if they felt sick and then sent home (via airplanes) where they then were expected to stay at home for a couple weeks.

Given that about 40-50% of all infected with COVID are asymptomatic, and there is no testing involved in this admittance policy, it seems a stretch to think no one was infected.
HockeyDad Offline
#120 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2020, 10:49 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Why do you think they didn't have COVID?
there doesn't appear to be any way of knowing that.


Per the DHS in mid March: "Upon arrival, travelers will proceed to standard customs processing. They will then continue to enhanced entry screening where the passenger will be asked about their medical history, current condition, and asked for contact information for local health authorities. Passengers will then be given written guidance about COVID-19 and directed to proceed to their final destination, and immediately home-quarantine in accordance with CDC best practices."

Basically, any US citizens coming back from Europe or China were funneled through 13 airports, asked if they felt sick and then sent home (via airplanes) where they then were expected to stay at home for a couple weeks.

Given that about 40-50% of all infected with COVID are asymptomatic, and there is no testing involved in this admittance policy, it seems a stretch to think no one was infected.



Why do you think they had Covid? There doesn’t appear to be any way of knowing that.

Those Americans that were repatriated were not any of the Covid people that were asymptomatic.
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#121 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2020, 10:53 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Why do you think they had Covid? There doesn’t appear to be any way of knowing that.

Those Americans that were repatriated were not any of the Covid people that were asymptomatic.


I didn't say they did have it.
I said that without testing or actually quarantining them (putting them on a domestic flight to go home and telling them to stay in their homes after that is not quarantining) that we did not effectively isolate ourselves from the countries which had COVID outbreaks at the time.

We will never have any way of knowing if those people did or did not contribute to the spread, because we didn't even bother testing them. Saying they didn't have it is simply lying.
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#122 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2020, 10:57 AM EST
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I think we can agree they didn’t have Covid and President Trump did a great thing by restricting air travel early much to the angst and outrage of the Democrats. The repatriation of Americans abroad was also a great success and did not lead to the spread of Covid in the USA.
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#123 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2020, 11:21 AM EST
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That's not what the know-it-alls told you in January and February. America first not last,oh that's not the liberal agenda.
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#124 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2020, 12:42 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I think we can agree they didn’t have Covid and President Trump did a great thing by restricting air travel early much to the angst and outrage of the Democrats. The repatriation of Americans abroad was also a great success and did not lead to the spread of Covid in the USA.



Comrade, this truly belongs in Krazeehorse's Thursday Funnies thread
Smooth light Offline
#125 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2020, 10:05 PM EST
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And so do you 🍼
izonfire Offline
#126 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2020, 11:09 PM EST
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Smooth light wrote:
And so do you 🍼

Hey Loose Stool.
Did you think of that in your own,
Or did you have help from a third grader???

Fess up now...
Smooth light Offline
#127 Posted: Fri, Sep 4 2020, 12:44 AM EST
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Got it from 🖕 u2 University, azz wipe. Sh*t 4 brains use the wipe for the dribble on your lips.🤳 Have a good night, later 🐊
bgz Offline
#128 Posted: Fri, Sep 4 2020, 12:57 AM EST
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Good nite comrad!
frankj1 Offline
#129 Posted: Fri, Sep 4 2020, 11:05 PM EST
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threats will ensue
izonfire Offline
#130 Posted: Sat, Sep 5 2020, 12:34 AM EST
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Smooth light wrote:
Got it from 🖕 u2 University, azz wipe. Sh*t 4 brains use the wipe for the dribble on your lips.🤳 Have a good night, later 🐊

Let the third grader that’s coaching you post.
Surely, he has something more intelligent to say...
rfenst Offline
#131 Posted: Sat, Sep 5 2020, 7:43 AM EST
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Smooth light wrote:
Got it from 🖕 u2 University, azz wipe. Sh*t 4 brains use the wipe for the dribble on your lips.🤳 Have a good night, later 🐊

Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
HockeyDad Offline
#132 Posted: Mon, Sep 7 2020, 10:59 AM EST
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U2 University sounds like the name of an album where Bono just drones on incessantly.
tonygraz Offline
#133 Posted: Mon, Sep 7 2020, 8:26 PM EST
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I'll bet that they don't even have a football team.
Smooth light Offline
#134 Posted: Mon, Sep 7 2020, 11:42 PM EST
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Just lawyer, guns and money!!! And a real education, but it's sure fun doing the dozens (slang for come backs) with you all. Lived on both sides of the fence.
tonygraz Offline
#135 Posted: Tue, Sep 8 2020, 6:53 AM EST
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Smoothie, you were supposed to learn english for your bot assignment on Babbel, my guess is you went to babble instead.
tailgater Offline
#136 Posted: Thu, Sep 10 2020, 12:05 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
U2 University sounds like the name of an album where Bono just drones on incessantly.


We call that "every U2 album since the Joshua Tree".
tailgater Offline
#137 Posted: Thu, Sep 10 2020, 12:06 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
I'll bet that they don't even have a football team.


Worse.
They probably do have a soccer team.
HockeyDad Offline
#138 Posted: Thu, Sep 10 2020, 12:12 PM EST
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Maybe even rugby!
Smooth light Offline
#139 Posted: Sun, Sep 13 2020, 9:50 PM EST
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Maybe got a real job and retired early, get back on your treadmill , will get there eventually , or die from exhaustion.
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