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Yellow Cellos
Sunoverbeach Offline
#1 Posted:
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OK, I've got a question. I've always taken discolored cellos to be a sign of extensive aging.

Recently I opened a box of mixed smokes that I hadn't gotten into for about a year or so. The cellos on some, Diesels specifically, are heading towards opaque. Others, Punch Signatures, are as clear as the day I got them. I've got other ones in other containers a year or two older than that also clear.

So what gives? There have to be other factors that play into cello yellowing. Is it related to wrapper type? Maybe the Diesels weren't as aged from manufacture so offgassed more than the others? I'm looking for you science minded types to clue me in
bgz Offline
#2 Posted:
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It means oils went from your cigar to the cello and the cigar lost some of it's punch. Personally, I prefer my oils in the cigar... so I try to smoke them before that happens.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#3 Posted:
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Makes sense, but wouldn't the oils dry out at a similar rate, or is was it just that much more to start with in the Deisels?
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#4 Posted:
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Heat, ammonia off gassing, the quality / manufacture of the cellophane itself.

Years ago, I put a bunch of random empty cello sleeves, including some that had never been used on a cigar, into some tupperware containers. One container had a small ramekin of ammonia, another I left in a warm place, last was one with both ammonia and heat. Left them sealed for a few months, they call came out yellowed/browned to some degree. The heat & ammonia container being the most yellowed. Based on texture and thickness, it was pretty obvious there were different manufacturers or different formulas / specs between them. Within every container there was some uniformity with the cellos that came from the same source, but there was variation in the yellowing from one manufacturer's cello sleeve to another.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#5 Posted:
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I knew somebody had to get all sciencey with this one. Thanks much
tonygraz Offline
#6 Posted:
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I've seen some fresh cigars with somewhat yellow cello and guess that the cello is a slightly different formulation.
delta1 Offline
#7 Posted:
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they call me yellow cello
they call me yellow cello
they call me yellow cello

I'm just mad about saffron
saffron's mad about me
Sunoverbeach Offline
#8 Posted:
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Quite rightly
LeeBot Offline
#9 Posted:
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It means your cigars are spoiled, and you should get rid of them.

Send them to me, and I will dispose of them.
Stogie1020 Offline
#10 Posted:
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Wait... You guys don't smoke the cigar with the cello still on?

WTF!! What else didn't you guys tell me?????
BuckyB93 Offline
#11 Posted:
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I have a handful of some Perdomo Reserve Maduro that have been sitting in my tuper for a while.

I'm kinda scared... some have red cellophane. WTF kinda sciencey is going on here?
SirKnight Offline
#12 Posted:
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When you find one tha glows in the dark you are probably in Z’s van.
tailgater Offline
#13 Posted:
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SirKnight wrote:
When you find one tha glows in the dark you are probably in Z’s van.


Ask Z to make it into a strobe light.

You're welcome.


tailgater Offline
#14 Posted:
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As TG has explained, the cello will yellow with or without the cigars. So it's not the "oils" as some suggest.
A yellow cello (damn you Delta and that song) will indicate that the cigar has some age, but zero indication of whether it's been aged properly. In fact, if TG's experiment is accurate (and I never doubt TG) then heat exacerbates the process so a yellow hue can indicate too high temps.
The yellowing is just a color shift that indicates the product is degrading. A thicker film would resist this better than a thin one, all else being equal.

I have worked with cellulose based polymers, but never with cellophane itself. The only property worthy of mention is it's ability to be impervious to almost everything except water vapor. So age away.
BuckyB93 Offline
#15 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Ask Z to make it into a strobe light.

You're welcome.




You guys are disturbingly twisted.
tailgater Offline
#16 Posted:
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BuckyB93 wrote:
You guys are disturbingly twisted.


That reminds me.
I was speaking with SteveS and he says HI.

Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#17 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
That reminds me.
I was speaking with SteveS and he says HI.


How are Steve and Anne doing? I haven't heard from them in ages. I hope all is well, I'm kind of concerned about Steve especially with the current state of the pandemic.
BuckyB93 Offline
#18 Posted:
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
How are Steve and Anne doing? I haven't heard from them in ages. I hope all is well, I'm kind of concerned about Steve especially with the current state of the pandemic.


I chat with him every few months over the phone. Say's he's was doing fine. Still hates CA so he's still lucid and sane.
BuckyB93 Offline
#19 Posted:
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NINE!teen
ZRX1200 Offline
#20 Posted:
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http://www.cigarbid.com/...ed-by-Z.aspx#post4561459

The Padron and the Camacho are the same age.
bgz Offline
#21 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Makes sense, but wouldn't the oils dry out at a similar rate, or is was it just that much more to start with in the Deisels?


*shrug*... I just know if I see a yellow cello I need to smoke that thing before it goes bad!

All jokes dude, I just prefer younger cigars in general ;)

Edit:

I respond a week later... I'm a bad poster:/
ZRX1200 Offline
#22 Posted:
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^ bgz cigar tastes are like Catholic priests.
izonfire Offline
#23 Posted:
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BuckyB93 wrote:
I have a handful of some Perdomo Reserve Maduro that have been sitting in my tuper for a while.

I'm kinda scared... some have red cellophane. WTF kinda sciencey is going on here?

All part of our sustainability and recycling initiative here at CBid.
The yellow cellos were initially used to transport urine samples.
And the red ones for used tampons. A way of giving back to the earth.

We thank you. The environment thanks you. The world thanks you...
SirKnight Offline
#24 Posted:
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I found one that had brownish hues to it, wonder what was in there?
Sunoverbeach Offline
#25 Posted:
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Actually, I said the Deisels had "yellowed," but brown would be more accurate
bgz Offline
#26 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
^ bgz cigar tastes are like Catholic priests.


Young, slim and hairless?
Palama Offline
#27 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Actually, I said the Deisels had "yellowed," but brown would be more accurate


Oh no you didn't!?!? d'oh!
Sunoverbeach Offline
#28 Posted:
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Dam i before e gets me every time
tonygraz Offline
#29 Posted:
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I think I noticed a brownish tint on some of the no name tenski place offerings.
deadeyedick Offline
#30 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Dam i before e gets me every time


So does the damn dam.
delta1 Offline
#31 Posted:
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didn't think we could use damn...so I've been subbing with damm...guess damn is ok...

not to be confused with danm


wonder if **** or **** or ****** is ok?
Sunoverbeach Offline
#32 Posted:
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Me too. Thusly went with dam, unnecessarily apparently
gummy jones Offline
#33 Posted:
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Bgz plays a mean skin flute

Does that count
tonygraz Offline
#34 Posted:
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Not that there's anything damn wrong with that.
izonfire Offline
#35 Posted:
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gummy jones wrote:
Bgz plays a mean skin flute

Does that count

I was wondering why he's so popular.
It sure the hell isn't his personality...
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