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What good did president Trump do?
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The Troll is learning math.
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tonygraz wrote:
The Troll is learning math.


Were you also imagining the count from sesame street? 1 ha ha ha... 2 ha ha ha... 3 ha ha ha.
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MACS wrote:
Were you also imagining the count from sesame street? 1 ha ha ha... 2 ha ha ha... 3 ha ha ha.

I will now!
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bgz wrote:
What happens when we have civilizations on the moon, mars, titan, etc...?

Then what?


I would hope they would choose political secession from the loony earthling overlords. Nothing ever good comes from centralization of power.
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You don't think the shift in the fight would be whether to have a solar system wide government as opposed to celestial body government?

You don't think if you have civilizations on several celestial bodies, it would make more sense to govern based on the body rather than the individual tiny piece of the body.

Keep in mind, the idea of rarity at that point will no longer be a thing... all amenities will be available to everyone without "stealing" from someone else. Make sense? probably not...

But that's what we're moving towards... whether you like it or not.
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BGZ, we are already headed that way, European Union, NATO, United Nations, WHO, doctors without borders, World Court, just to name a few.
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I didn't vote for them... Not talking
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It could manifest itself in myriad ways...one model is like the United States, where sovereign countries ally themselves for trade, protection and mutual benefit, like the states do now while making the whole greater than the sum of its parts...we're seeing it now in the EU, which elevates each nation in the pact in ways greater than when they were individual states fending for themselves...yet they still keep their individual identities and their sovereignty...there will continue to be nationalistic pride, tribalism like what exists among and within the populations of the states today...that human trait has persisted since the beginning and it's hard to imagine that disappearing

but those that don't choose to join the pan-national league will slowly be left behind...

imagine any state choosing to secede from the US...do you think it'll be better off? can it survive?


Ever heard of BREXIT? The Euro-Zone Debt Crisis? It doesn't seem everyone has come to believe in your Pollyannish idea of International socialism. Expect to see more of it. It will exactly be individual identity and the desire for sovereignty that will be its undoing. The U.S.S.R. tried to hold together a international socialist republic together by force and look what happened to them. There are still commies today that say Russia shouldn't have allowed all those satellite states to secede after the collapse of the U.S.S.R.LOL

And the United States, of course that is its future also. It's too big, its governments are too broke and corrupt, a growing number of people don't want to ruled over by big population centers that they have nothing in common with politically, and the original intent of a voluntary federal republic of sovereign states has been replaced greatly by an overbearing centralized government. There are numerous secession movements rumbling around the world today and the same is true in the U.S., not just break away movements from the union altogether, but states breaking apart into smaller sovereign entities, like New York State and California. I'm all for it!
If you don't believe that secession can lead to a condition where people are better off then you can't believe that those 13 colonies who seceded from England did the right thing.


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bgz wrote:
You don't think the shift in the fight would be whether to have a solar system wide government as opposed to celestial body government?

You don't think if you have civilizations on several celestial bodies, it would make more sense to govern based on the body rather than the individual tiny piece of the body.

Keep in mind, the idea of rarity at that point will no longer be a thing... all amenities will be available to everyone without "stealing" from someone else. Make sense? probably not...

But that's what we're moving towards... whether you like it or not.


OH YA, I can see it now, The United Federation of Planets but ruled over by a central authoritarian body. Is that what you're saying?
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I wanna go to the planet where the wimmins have three boobs.... Mellow
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nice.

and now it's preserved...

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DrafterX wrote:
I wanna go to the planet where the wimmins have three boobs.... Mellow


We should start a go fund me page for you.
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ok.... Mellow
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tonygraz wrote:
We should start a go fund me page for you.


At about $10k/lb to put something in orbit, I'm not sure we'd be able to drum up enough scratch. And we'd also have to break him out of the Earth's gravitational field or he'd just end up as another piece of space garbage that NASA would have to track.

Do you want to have that on your conscience? DrafterX as the newest member of space garbage?

Think We might be able to offset the costs if we rented out his body for an orbiting billboard tho...
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Read the post after it!...

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RayR wrote:
OH YA, I can see it now, The United Federation of Planets but ruled over by a central authoritarian body. Is that what you're saying?


Yeah, I'm guessing some people won't be too happy about that.... the Earthlings will probably be the loudest.
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frankj1 wrote:
nice.

and now it's preserved...


Did you save a screen of the original? I have him blocked. Only time in 12 or so years here.
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RayR wrote:
Ever heard of BREXIT? The Euro-Zone Debt Crisis? It doesn't seem everyone has come to believe in your Pollyannish idea of International socialism. Expect to see more of it. It will exactly be individual identity and the desire for sovereignty that will be its undoing. The U.S.S.R. tried to hold together a international socialist republic together by force and look what happened to them. There are still commies today that say Russia shouldn't have allowed all those satellite states to secede after the collapse of the U.S.S.R.LOL

And the United States, of course that is its future also. It's too big, its governments are too broke and corrupt, a growing number of people don't want to ruled over by big population centers that they have nothing in common with politically, and the original intent of a voluntary federal republic of sovereign states has been replaced greatly by an overbearing centralized government. There are numerous secession movements rumbling around the world today and the same is true in the U.S., not just break away movements from the union altogether, but states breaking apart into smaller sovereign entities, like New York State and California. I'm all for it!
If you don't believe that secession can lead to a condition where people are better off then you can't believe that those 13 colonies who seceded from England did the right thing.





BREXIT and its impact on the EU is too recent and intertwined with the pandemic's destructive nature on economies all over the world to be proof that it is anything more than America First...let's re-visit in a couple of years to see how the UK and the EU fared after the divorce...

there are two inexorable drivers of the movement towards more globalization and international cooperation, both of which made America great in the first place, and which we will marshal to lead the world into a more collective future: capitalism and democracy...there are more countries in the world now embracing those concepts than any other economic or political models...

few modern developed nations choose isolationism as their foreign policy philosophy...they wouldn't survive, as few nations have the necessary resources to sustain that sort of independence

even China has embraced capitalism, while maintaining communism, and we have seen signs that democracy is alive among many Chinese, but the ruthless suppression by the government is able to drive it underground...keeping a huge population under control by depriving them of basic freedoms has not been proven to be a long-term social construct

we can agree on one idea: people want to be free...and to live life with as few restraints as possible

we just differ on how that desire to be free manifests itself...I think that free men prefer capitalism and democracy over any other model...at least that's what seems to have happened over the past few centuries...monarchies, dictatorships and communism have all declined...

with large populations, scarce resources and environmental catastrophes a way of life all over the world, some form of effective government is a requirement and the participatory form is preferred...this trend will continue as people become more educated all over the world
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rfenst wrote:
Did you save a screen of the original? I have him blocked. Only time in 12 or so years here.

nah, just c & p'd it all over the threads...did I just say I p'd all over the threads?
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One can edit a post... not sure if that works on the mobile site, though. *shrug*
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MACS wrote:
One can edit a post... not sure if that works on the mobile site, though. *shrug*

but can one edit a quoted post entered by a different contributor?

anyway, been talking with smooth, almost done.
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Who?
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Jo.... Mellow
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After 51 years, the Zodiac Killer's cipher has been solved by amateur codebreakers While Trump is still in office. He should get some credit for that.
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I heard he cured polio.

Twice.
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Trump was the Zodiak Killer ?
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He’s not man enough to kill a bear.
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I heard Biden got screwed by a bear... twice... Mellow
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