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Collective Guilt And The New Witch Hunt
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RayR Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Jan 16 2021, 10:56 AM EST
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Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?” was the question used in congressional hearings in the 1950s in what was portrayed as a witch hunt against leftists that blighted American freedom of speech. A new witch hunt is sweeping Washington, Silicon Valley, and much of the media based on the following question: “Do you currently have any doubts or have you ever written or said anything disparaging the vote counts of the 2020 presidential election?”

Anyone who questions the final vote of that election is now literally being derided as a traitor. Regardless of 65 million mail-in ballots (for which fraud is “vastly more prevalent,” according to the New York Times), regardless of the last minute changes in election procedures in key swing states, and regardless of controversies about computer voting software, anyone who does not attest to the final proclaimed vote count is finding themselves forever damned – or at least that is the intent of Democratic activists and social media companies.

The definition of treason has been vastly expanded in the past weeks to include members of Congress who filed a lawful challenge against the 2020 electoral tally. Even though Democrats vigorously challenged Republican presidential victories in 2000, 2004, and 2016 (Nancy Pelosi declared in May 2017, “Our [2016] election was hijacked… Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy”), any challenges to last November’s results suddenly became intolerable. Forty-eight Democratic members of Congress have co-sponsored a resolution calling for expelling potentially more than a hundred Republican lawmakers who pledged to object to certifying the 2020 election results. The resolution claims that those Republican lawmakers are guilty of violating the 14th Amendment’s provision prohibiting federal officeholders from having “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the [United States], or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”


Read On...
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/collective-guilt-and-the-new-witch-hunt/
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Jan 16 2021, 11:16 AM EST
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Hypocrisy is deep... Mellow
RayR Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Jan 16 2021, 12:06 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Hypocrisy is deep... Mellow


Yes, I know....and some of dem people are here! Sick
teedubbya Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Jan 16 2021, 12:11 PM EST
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Yes it does drafter and some keep banging that drum to focus on what the other side is doing or has done rather than what is happening now by one that they agree with and is a reflection of themselves. It’s a passive aggressive way of accepting the unacceptable.

What is and has been happening since the election is a **** stain on our country and despicable . This time it’s not the left doing it. It’s the right. It simply is. Maybe the left would or could or whatever. But they are not and have not been doing this. They want the transfer of power. Duh.

Trump lost in a landslide period. It wasn’t close. No amount of fraud could have changed that particularly the amount being claimed but not found. If you don’t accept this you are part of the problem.

It’s really really stupid and anyone believing that crap has suspended logic in the name of politics. And if you let that lack of logic to support politics in to your every day life or being bless your little heart. I feel for you. (General you, not necessarily drafter)

If you are ok with it because somehow you believe the left did or does the same thing than you are truly the hypocrite you speak of. “I don’t condone any of it but the left.....” is condoning it. We have something right in front of us but you still want to focus on the left.

Nothing like this has happened before in my lifetime. I can always find things done wrong by the left, but not to this magnitude and not at this moment and this is being done by my side (if you still consider trump conservative which I don’t).

We don’t need to ignore what someone did in the past and if what they did was wrong go after it. But don’t use it as a way to justify wrong now. Our mammas taught us better than that and I’d not accept it from my kids.

Snap out of it man. Be real. Find the integrity we all have and our politicians don’t. Do t be like them. Look at the actions not the person or letter after their name. Stand up for right. Don’t cower behind those you already find wrong and justify wrong by the people you relate to or support. That makes you the same as them.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Jan 16 2021, 12:13 PM EST
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You know ray is retarded, right?
teedubbya Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Jan 16 2021, 12:15 PM EST
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Who is ray?
RayR Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Jan 16 2021, 12:42 PM EST
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Oh Boy, I must have insulted somebodies hero again. My bad. So sad.Anxious
delta1 Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Jan 16 2021, 2:21 PM EST
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that's what happens when you scare the life outta somebody...

our Congresspeeps now know what it musta felt like more than 100 years ago being black and living among a mob of hateful white supremacists, itching to build a gallows with a noose, and go on a rampage hunting for somebody to kill over some Trumped up charges...
clintCigar Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Jan 16 2021, 2:52 PM EST
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I wholeheartedly believe that some fraudulent schit went down for this election. (and has probably happened in every presidential election in our history) Was it significant enough to actually change the voting outcome? I have no clue and we will probably never know. BUT I will say this, I think legislation should be put in place to not allow the mass mail-in voting that happened this past election. The majority of votes for our election process need to be placed in person by that person no matter what. Pandemic be damned. That's my 2 cents.
bgz Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Jan 16 2021, 3:10 PM EST
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That's inefficient.
teedubbya Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Jan 16 2021, 3:22 PM EST
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Clint I’m teasing you here but I had a boss who insisted everything needed to happen on paper with hard signatures.... anything electronic was merely unofficial.

I think we will get to the point where in person voting is the exception not the rule. I’m not supporting it or liking it but I suspect that’s in our future.

I like in person meetings better than conference calls or zoom but suspect that door’s been kicked down too. I suspect my work travel will always be minimal ongoing.
clintCigar Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Jan 16 2021, 3:39 PM EST
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Yeah I think corporate merica has had an awakening of it's own with this pandemic due to being forced to have employees WFH. Downtown rent for offices ain't cheap. A good friend of mine in corporate banking doesn't have an office anymore. They literally got rid of their office building and her entire division is WFH now.
teedubbya Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Jan 16 2021, 3:41 PM EST
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We’ve had that shift too. All the managers used to be against having folks working from home until they figured out they don’t have to pay for space and in bad weather or whatever else they never have to shut down.

It’s a new world.
fiddler898 Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Jan 16 2021, 5:44 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
Oh Boy, I must have insulted somebodies hero again. My bad. So sad.Anxious


You need a new stock reply. This one shows you lack the capacity to respond on topic, which is kind of sad, considering you are the O.P.
RayR Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Jan 16 2021, 9:43 PM EST
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fiddler898 wrote:
You need a new stock reply. This one shows you lack the capacity to respond on topic, which is kind of sad, considering you are the O.P.


How about yuz guys are idiots! That's more topical.
bgz Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Jan 17 2021, 12:31 AM EST
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RayR wrote:
How about yuz guys are idiots! That's more topical.


That reminds me, almost forgot the daily reminder again, thanks!!!

RayRay, you're an idiot.
RayR Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Jan 17 2021, 12:33 PM EST
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Benny, you have to stop taking it so personal when I insult your progressive heroes.
delta1 Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Jan 17 2021, 1:06 PM EST
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five states have had mail-in balloting almost exclusively for several elections cycles, without serious issues or fraud: Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington...

Voter fraud was investigated intensively by the Trump administration because he couldn't accept that he lost the popular vote in 2016 by 3 million votes. They found zilch, nada...didn't even bother making a public report...just disappeared into the wind, to keep the myth of voter fraud alive for their voters when they lose elections...

Trump lost in 2020 by SEVEN + MILLION votes!!! He and his crack crew of smart lawyers couldn't even come up with a credible fraudulent scheme (Hugo Chavez...really?) like the "busloads of illegal voters" lie that was proffered in the past when close elections were lost.

It was such a landslide that even hood-winked followers wouldn't buy that lie again... they didn't see hundreds of thousands of buses on election day...

so it's now "some kinda massive mail-in fraud, we know it even if we can't see it"...just like the riot in DC was antifa...can't be right wing white supremacists...they're good people...




seems there is some evidence that members of Congress, their staff and Congressional police aided and abetted the invasion of the US Congress on January 6, and that some police officers from other jurisdictions participated in the storming of the Capitol. It'll be interesting what the final results of the investigation will be.

We are in a bad place, where Americans, and especially officials who are sworn to defend the Constitution, turn their back on their oaths, and violently fight against American democratic traditions. I thought all the talk of the second civil war was just wishful thinking by radical, far right extremist, anti government militia types. Seems many more average Americans are ready to take up battle, and kill other Americans who don't believe as they do.
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#19 Posted: Sun, Jan 17 2021, 1:25 PM EST
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tonygraz Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Jan 17 2021, 9:21 PM EST
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I don't think it's personal, Rayray - You are an idiot and so is the guy with the 9 parrots.
Smooth light Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Jan 17 2021, 11:50 PM EST
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Sorry, you taught us so we'll. In your
'Mutant Parrot' seminar,... IDIOT!!!!

Haha
DrafterX Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Jan 17 2021, 11:55 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
five states have had mail-in balloting almost exclusively for several elections cycles, without serious issues or fraud: Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington...

Voter fraud was investigated intensively by the Trump administration because he couldn't accept that he lost the popular vote in 2016 by 3 million votes. They found zilch, nada...didn't even bother making a public report...just disappeared into the wind, to keep the myth of voter fraud alive for their voters when they lose elections...

Trump lost in 2020 by SEVEN + MILLION votes!!! He and his crack crew of smart lawyers couldn't even come up with a credible fraudulent scheme (Hugo Chavez...really?) like the "busloads of illegal voters" lie that was proffered in the past when close elections were lost.

It was such a landslide that even hood-winked followers wouldn't buy that lie again... they didn't see hundreds of thousands of buses on election day...

so it's now "some kinda massive mail-in fraud, we know it even if we can't see it"...just like the riot in DC was antifa...can't be right wing white supremacists...they're good people...




seems there is some evidence that members of Congress, their staff and Congressional police aided and abetted the invasion of the US Congress on January 6, and that some police officers from other jurisdictions participated in the storming of the Capitol. It'll be interesting what the final results of the investigation will be.

We are in a bad place, where Americans, and especially officials who are sworn to defend the Constitution, turn their back on their oaths, and violently fight against American democratic traditions. I thought all the talk of the second civil war was just wishful thinking by radical, far right extremist, anti government militia types. Seems many more average Americans are ready to take up battle, and kill other Americans who don't believe as they do.



Mail in ballots if requested... and spreading this type of info doesn't help heal da nation... Mellow
RayR Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Jan 18 2021, 10:36 AM EST
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The New York Times said in 2012 that voter fraud is “vastly more prevalent,” with mail-in ballots, supporting their claim with "Election experts say the challenges created by mailed ballots could well affect outcomes this fall and beyond", and “The more people you force to vote by mail, the more invalid ballots you will generate.”, and "The trend will probably result in more uncounted votes, and it increases the potential for fraud. While fraud in voting by mail is far less common than innocent errors, it is vastly more prevalent than the in-person voting fraud that has attracted far more attention, election administrators say"

Was the NYT, the lefty's trusted opinion source wrong in their warnings about mail-in voting fraud in 2012?
tonygraz Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Jan 18 2021, 5:16 PM EST
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The rest of the world progressed since 2012 - you didn't.
RayR Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Jan 18 2021, 6:13 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
The rest of the world progressed since 2012 - you didn't.


I understand what your idea of progress is Tony, you probably even think 2020 was a year of progress.
Well... If you thought that was a hit, the Biden dumpster fire of 2021 starts shortly, I'm sure you'll fanning the flames too and cheering on what progressivism is really all about.
frankj1 Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Jan 18 2021, 7:08 PM EST
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it hasn't been progressivism that has lit all these bon fires for four years.
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#27 Posted: Mon, Jan 18 2021, 7:15 PM EST
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Sponsored by the DEMON-RATS.
got the fire from hell 🔥
frankj1 Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Jan 18 2021, 7:21 PM EST
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um, ok?
RayR Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Jan 18 2021, 8:37 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
it hasn't been progressivism that has lit all these bon fires for four years.


Really Frank? Sure looks like a bunch of progressives behaving badly 4 years ago.

VIDEO EXCLUSIVE: Film Crew Releases Never Before Seen Footage of 2017 Inauguration Riots


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/video-exclusive-film-crew-releases-never-seen-footage-2017-inauguration-riots/
frankj1 Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Jan 18 2021, 10:26 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
Really Frank? Sure looks like a bunch of progressives behaving badly 4 years ago.

VIDEO EXCLUSIVE: Film Crew Releases Never Before Seen Footage of 2017 Inauguration Riots


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/video-exclusive-film-crew-releases-never-seen-footage-2017-inauguration-riots/

I can only imagine the humiliation you must be enduring to dig so hard. How about NOW?
If you are what you claim to be, you own this time in history as it is happening.
Don't run in shame. Embrace it. It's what you've wanted. An attack on Democracy.

Join the insurgents, maybe you'll be famous one day.
tonygraz Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Jan 18 2021, 11:09 PM EST
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Frank in case you haven't heard: Rayray is an idiot.
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#32 Posted: Mon, Jan 18 2021, 11:55 PM EST
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Military Inauguration! now that could lead to a real military coup. We had to do it, to cover our azz's, and blame it on you.

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bgz Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Jan 19 2021, 12:03 AM EST
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Oh sh*t, thanks Tony, I almost forgot.
RayR Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Jan 19 2021, 9:50 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I can only imagine the humiliation you must be enduring to dig so hard. How about NOW?
If you are what you claim to be, you own this time in history as it is happening.
Don't run in shame. Embrace it. It's what you've wanted. An attack on Democracy.

Join the insurgents, maybe you'll be famous one day.


Dig so hard? It's easy Frank, all you have to do is don't look to the leftist propagandist media for your daily dose of misinformation. It's amazing the amount of history that they attempt to drop down the black hole, hoping the duhmacracy never sees it in the light of day again. It's like a magic trick Frank—now you see it, now you don't.

As far as your silly attempt at straw man building, well it's just silly, what else needs to be said?

I know Frank, Duhmacracy is supposed to reflect the will of da people, you know the legitimate concerns of da people. That's the civic religious fairy tale anyway. But remember this from Hoppe...

“If the right to vote were expanded to seven year olds … its policies would most definitely reflect the ‘legitimate concerns’ of children to have ‘adequate’ and ‘equal’ access to ‘free’ french fries, lemonade and videos.”
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