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Are You a Domestic Terrorist?
RayR Offline
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The (New Normal) War on Domestic Terror

If you enjoyed the Global War on Terror, you’re going to love the new War on Domestic Terror! It’s just like the original Global War on Terror, except that this time the “Terrorists” are all “Domestic Violent Extremists” (“DVEs”), “Homegrown Violent Extremists” (“HVEs”), “Violent Conspiracy-Theorist Extremists” (“VCTEs”), “Violent Reality Denialist Extremists” (VRDEs”), “Insurrectionary Micro-Aggressionist Extremists” (“IMAEs”), “People Who Make Liberals Feel Uncomfortable” (“PWMLFUs”), and anyone else the Department of Homeland Security wants to label an “extremist” and slap a ridiculous acronym on.

According to a “National Terrorism Advisory System Bulletin” issued by the DHS on January 27, these DCEs, HVEs, VCTEs, VRDEs, IMAEs, and PWMLFUs are “ideologically-motivated violent extremists with objections to the exercise of governmental authority” and other “perceived grievances fueled by false narratives.” They are believed to be “motivated by a range of issues, including anger over Covid-19 restrictions, the 2020 election results, police use of force,” and other dangerous “false narratives” (e.g., the existence of the “deep state,” “herd immunity,” “biological sex,” “God,” and so on).


Continue Reading...

https://consentfactory.org/2021/02/08/the-new-normal-war-on-domestic-terror/
ZRX1200 Offline
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https://youtu.be/YPrRLyFTzSU

Just a reminder.
RayR Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
https://youtu.be/YPrRLyFTzSU

Just a reminder.


Yes, thank you.
Those "By Any Means Necessary" people are not domestic terrorists I guess, they are just protesting right-wing fascist racist white supremacists and stuff. Totally justified in terrorizing, arson, and breaking windows.Think
delta1 Offline
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violence for whatever cause, other than self defense, is abhorrent...and should not be tolerated in our civil society...

advocates are protected by the First Amendment, but there's a fine line between advocation and incitement...


as each side's extremists become louder and receive a broader and willing audience and more and more people become radicalized towards the extremes...the potential for violence increases...


we have prided ourselves as a shining example of a diverse and democratic nation...are there enough calming influences to prevent catastrophic events that will show we have been deluding ourselves?
Smooth light Offline
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Psycho Terrorist... are always looking for someone to play with.
Do you want to come out to play.

Let me take you down,to strawberry fields,were nuthing is real, strawberry fields ... FOREVER 🎶
delta1 Offline
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so you've been to Oxnard and Ventura? strawberries year round...
rfenst Offline
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delta1 wrote:
... advocates are protected by the First Amendment, but there's a fine line between advocation and incitement...

Brandenburg v. Ohio

In order for “incitement to violence” speech to be constitutionally barred, Brandenburg sets a new standard.

The language must:

(1) expressly advocate violence;
(2) advocate immediate violence and
(3) relate to violence likely to occur.

https://www.casebriefs.com/blog/law/constitutional-law/constitutional-law-keyed-to-stone/freedom-of-expression/brandenburg-v-ohio-2/
RayR Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Brandenburg v. Ohio

In order for “incitement to violence” speech to be constitutionally barred, Brandenburg sets a new standard.

The language must:

(1) expressly advocate violence;
(2) advocate immediate violence and
(3) relate to violence likely to occur.

https://www.casebriefs.com/blog/law/constitutional-law/constitutional-law-keyed-to-stone/freedom-of-expression/brandenburg-v-ohio-2/


I suppose these Demo-Nazis fit the standard for “incitement to violence” then?
https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/08/10-times-democrats-urged-violence-against-trump-and-his-supporters/

Ehhh....suppose not, the lizard people have a double standard after all.Think


Speyside Offline
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Qbert, listen for it.
delta1 Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Brandenburg v. Ohio

In order for “incitement to violence” speech to be constitutionally barred, Brandenburg sets a new standard.

The language must:

(1) expressly advocate violence;
(2) advocate immediate violence and
(3) relate to violence likely to occur.

https://www.casebriefs.com/blog/law/constitutional-law/constitutional-law-keyed-to-stone/freedom-of-expression/brandenburg-v-ohio-2/



thanks for the bright lines, rfenst... that would be the bar for holding Trump criminally responsible in a court of law...

the impeachment process is not the same, being a political process whereby the Constitution empowers Congress to hold the POTUS accountable for misconduct...and arguably has no set guidelines for conviction or acquittal, let alone for laying out charges, given the very few cases we've had in our history
frankj1 Offline
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The Federalist Society clearly says Trump can be convicted.
This should be a no brainer now for those constantly pushing The Federalists on everyone else here.

so who is left to argue the point?
Smooth light Offline
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It's our turn to say
WHAT EVIDENCE... Biased opinions ain't gonna cut it,or your interpretation of speech, and edit context.
you have not made your point, I agree why argue.

It still takes two to tango.

Silence is free speech also, Give them enough rope... and they will fade away from no response.
rfenst Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
The Federalist Society clearly says Trump can be convicted.
This should be a no brainer now for those constantly pushing The Federalists on everyone else here.

so who is left to argue the point?

Our governor has filled four SCOF justices, and many, many, many local judicial vacancies., What they all have in common is membership in the Federalist Society.
RayR Offline
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delta1 wrote:
thanks for the bright lines, rfenst... that would be the bar for holding Trump criminally responsible in a court of law...

the impeachment process is not the same, being a political process whereby the Constitution empowers Congress to hold the POTUS accountable for misconduct...and arguably has no set guidelines for conviction or acquittal, let alone for laying out charges, given the very few cases we've had in our history


It's a laughable claim that the lawless whores of the Congress and Senate are doing their Constitutional duty to "hold the POTUS accountable for misconduct". It more resembles the Senators of Rome trying to raise enough support to each drive a dagger into Caesar.
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Smooth light wrote:
....................blah, blah, blippity blah......................

Silence is free speech also, Give them enough rope... and they will fade away from no response.

Oh, how I long for the day when you set yourself free...
Smooth light Offline
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Oh, how we long for you to some day to just fade away...blippity blad... does small print mean you're fading?

Leave them there, just dead wait to me. Can put your dead wait on the free!

Answer my friend is blowing in the wind 💭
RayR Offline
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How the left makes a domestic terrorist. First they have to dehumanize them.

https://youtu.be/dvHgMYsjk9M

CheapPrick Offline
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RayR wrote:
Continue Reading...

https://consentfactory.org/2021/02/08/the-new-normal-war-on-domestic-terror/



Ahh... Here it comes...
The DHS and their cohorts TSA are synonymous with Gestapo and KGB.

There is constantly a threat that we have to fight off. If it's not the "War on Drugs" its the "Axis of Terror" or "Covid Pandemic" or something else to keep the general public thinking we need our government to save us.

When people get pissed off enough over some matter or another, our government seems to have an endless array of drama to divert peoples attention ie: deleted computer files, pizza gate, the president got his ****** sucked by a whore, but funny how nothing ever comes of it. Nobody ever gets convicted of anything.

Its all a mindf**k and people keep sucking it up like a fly sucks up his own vomit.


Democrats and republicans are ultimately on the same side.

The ultimate message everyone keeps missing is that at every turn, civil liberties are taking the biggest hits.

Remember when the republican Geo Bush Jr made a law that anybody can be arrested and tossed in prison indefinitely with no due process or hearing of any sort? You only have to be accused of being a terrorist, either foreign or domestic.

Did you know the democrat Obama Care outlines acceptable forms of prisoner executions (including beheading)?

The day we give up the 2nd amendment, is the day we are a F'ed.
izonfire Offline
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So, if I can extrapolate extensively,
What you’re saying is...
We can’t trust the government???

Hmmmm????????
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Cursing
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I think I forgot to mention Big Foot and the Skinwalkers.

Every saturday at the CBGB
RayR Offline
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izonfire wrote:
So, if I can extrapolate extensively,
What you’re saying is...
We can’t trust the government???

Hmmmm????????


Shocking isn't it?

H.L Mencken put this way a long time ago, "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

Ya know, some people actually think we haven't lost any of our freedoms when the gubment gets to protecting us after they've f*cked us over.Brick wall



DrMaddVibe Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
The Federalist Society clearly says Trump can be convicted.



Do you have a link for that?

One would imagine we're talking about the DNC's 6 day investigation into the "insurgency" and not the Schiff Schit Show.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Do you have a link for that?

One would imagine we're talking about the DNC's 6 day investigation into the "insurgency" and not the Schiff Schit Show.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/21/legal-scholars-federalist-society-trump-convict-461089

there are other sites that expand on this as well...

this is not to say The Federalist Society is taking a stand on guilt or innocence but that they believe his defense has been wrong to claim 1st amendment protection etc.

Cofounder Calabresi is one of about 150 legal scholars and Constitutional law experts and professors who signed a letter saying this. I quoted the letter in a recent thread.

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frankj1 wrote:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/21/legal-scholars-federalist-society-trump-convict-461089

there are other sites that expand on this as well...

this is not to say The Federalist Society is taking a stand on guilt or innocence but that they believe his defense has been wrong to claim 1st amendment protection etc.

Cofounder Calabresi is one of about 150 legal scholars and Constitutional law experts and professors who signed a letter saying this. I quoted the letter in a recent thread.




Only reason I asked is I'm a monthly visitor to their website. I wasn't aware of it.


EDIT - Read your article.

"Members" of...not the entire sect. People are allowed to have their own convictions.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Only reason I asked is I'm a monthly visitor to their website. I wasn't aware of it.


EDIT - Read your article.

"Members" of...not the entire sect
. People are allowed to have their own convictions.


fair enough.

but a whole bunch of surprise conservatives in the gang.
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Frank got caught generating fake news!

Ima send you some more customer service complaints.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
fair enough.

but a whole bunch of surprise conservatives in the gang.



Not really. Take a look at National Review!

I learned a LONG time ago.
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https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/first-amendment-lawyers-trump-impeachment-defense/7fc3e63ae077f83d/full.pdf

list of the 144 starts on page 3.

can't imagine looking into all of them for their political leanings
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HockeyDad wrote:
Frank got caught generating fake news!

Ima send you some more customer service complaints.

HA!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/first-amendment-lawyers-trump-impeachment-defense/7fc3e63ae077f83d/full.pdf

list of the 144 starts on page 3.

can't imagine looking into all of them for their political leanings



Don't worry the DNC has that part covered.

#resist
#buildbackbetter
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Tourist, Ray. Domestic Tourist.

9 states visited during the most deadly plague since the Spanish flu.

I'll never forget the bodies burning in Georgia.
frankj1 Offline
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RobertHively wrote:
Tourist, Ray. Domestic Tourist.

9 states visited during the most deadly plague since the Spanish flu.

I'll never forget the bodies burning in Georgia.

so then, nothing got done at the mountain cabin?
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frankj1 wrote:
so then, nothing got done at the mountain cabin?


I knew they were going to 86/45 and install Biden in the White House.

Biden's crew is going to end climate change with their brilliant policies.

With climate change defeated the ocean levels won't rise astronomically.

Therefore, I won't have oceanfront property this far west, but more importantly, you won't have to flee the Boston area for our oceanfront cabin.

BUT, should the baddies get back in power, we'll be prepared.
delta1 Offline
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RobertHively wrote:
Tourist, Ray. Domestic Tourist.

9 states visited during the most deadly plague since the Spanish flu.

I'll never forget the bodies burning in Georgia.



you got that right, Robert...

rioters who have been identified and arrested for crimes committed at the nation's Capitol on Jan. 6 have come from 41 different states...talk about destination tourism...


something else that seems unusual...not all of the rioters were associated with far right extremist white supremacist groups or anti-govt. militias...most were not...

all are Trump followers, but some were school workers/teachers, social workers, local politicians, police officers, small business owners, hair stylists, lawyers, real estate agents...nearly 20% were members or former members of the military - everyday people: the most common factor that motivated them was they all had histories of financial trouble...
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