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So he will always be a poopy head?

Me too

despite being a poopy head and ill-informed, MACS is still dreamy and has great taste in cigars and adult beverages... which compensates for all his faults

He meant, "dream crusher" you monster.

The author uses numbers and logic. Maybe he's wrong. But it makes sense. It's almost scary that everyone doesn't think like him once it's presented.
But we're being told. By media. By liberal politicians. By hack Fauci.
We're being told it will be longer.
So we ignore when facts are presented and we deny them by using our feelings.

Read the opinion piece by the John Hopkins doctor. Think about what he is saying regarding Christmas travel and the declining stats. Read his opinion on natural immunity. Look at the statistics he presents.
You constantly tell us how you know more than we do on this subject.
Tell us where this doctor's numbers are wrong.

Should be easy.

You and I have a very different foundation from which we work from on this subject. Our information comes from very different places and frequencies and our experience varies greatly on the subject. I’ve been immersed in this for a long time and understand the modeling pretty well and what changing variables and unknown elements effect.

Some of my language you don’t understand and try to discredit in ways that make sense to you, but not to folks immersed in the subject. You don’t know enough to recognize that. But it’s odd you would then doubt or unsuccessfully ridicule someone that knows way more than you on a subject when you really don’t have the knowledge to do so or even enough to know how to go about it.

This is a pretty vanilla pretty predictable virus compared to what it could have been or to what others are. That doesn’t mean next Tuesday the answer is 12. That’s not how it works but you don’t understand the core meaning of what I’m saying and don’t really want to. It’s not an insult, we all have our core competencies and things we understand really well through experience, education and interest. This isn’t yours. It is mine and has been for several decades.

If you were seriously trying to improve your foundation on the subject I’d engage but you aren’t. You are trying to tear down mine. The problem is you don’t even know the right questions let alone if the answers are correct or not. It’s really not worth engaging with you and giving merit where there is none.

As for arguing with an opinion piece for your gratification even when you wouldn’t understand the argument no thanks. If I want to argue with this doctor I can and would directly. With him, at his level. It’s the environment I’m in every day and it wouldn’t phase me. I’ve been working on the subject every day with docs such as this (many from Hopkins but not him) for a long time. Covid for a year or so but pandemic planning and public health for many many years.

This stuff is not new to me or a passing hobby. The same is true from this doctor. He is entitled to his educated opinion. I work with many many doctors like him across the country who have varying opinions. And we do argue, but it’s not really arguing. If you’ve ever been involved in grand rounds you’d understand. It’s not trying to bring them down it’s to discuss all info on the table. His is not a new argument or one that hasn’t been discussed by me or others.

Believe what you want, but you’re base on the subject is very weak. I won’t argue with you because it’s a waste of time and you really don’t want to learn from someone that knows way more than you on the subject.

If you really want to learn it’s going to take time. Put in the time. I’d even help. But not if you start with telling me I’m wrong and dont know what I’m talking about. You could learn from me but you won’t.

Right on TW - you can't fix stupid.

I'm not asking you to argue with anyone.
I've asked HOW he's wrong.
Because you said he was (defacto, since I said he might be right).

You tell us how smart you are on this subject. How you know it so well. How we can't "understand" it like you.
Yet you cower when called to task.

Sorry to expose you.

Don't continue to be such a self righteous know it all.
And stop feeling sorry for yourself when I call you out.

Here is the current tally:
You have repeatedly said I was wrong. I've asked you to tell me why. You responded with "I know more about this than you". Nothing of substance. NOTHING.

Meanwhile, I have never called you wrong. Yet you cry that I have. You say it directly. And it's a lie.
Another lie.

For crying out loud. Stop SAYING how much you know and start SHOWING it.

That's how ya do it!

Had we skipped the draconian lockdowns and opted for information and allowing the public to decide for themselves (freedom) we’d have herd immunity already.

Maybe. Hindsight is 20/20.

and hardly anybody who's studied this expects to achieve herd immunity by April...


end of summer, when everybody has access to vaccines? maybe we'll have herd immunity then if enough people are willing to take the vaccine...like in Israel...

I’m telling ya the models have been amazingly accurate (not perfect they never can be) since day 1. And when action or inaction were factored in they held up very well. They were a warning that was dismissed and this became worse and worse as predicted based on our approach.

We screwed the pooch and let politics drive this resulting in many more deaths than necessary.

But we are where we are. The disinformation needs to stop or die down and we can do this. We will do this. We just need to keep our eye on the ball.

Agreed Spey. What’s your take on the distinction in this instance.

By the way I’m completely for being transparent on information and data. That would be a refreshing change from what we’ve experienced throughout this pandemic. We’ve been experiencing the opposite.

Sweden has better numbers than NY State.
Better than many in Europe.
Worse than other Scandinavian states, but the way people responded to their approach would leave one to speculate they'd be much worse off by now.

It's the Cbid proximity rule, bruh.

You sound like one hell of a super-spreader...

I would encourage folks to read the thread. Pay attention to who said what when and draw your own conclusions.

My post #15 was in reference to post 13 that I don’t buy immunity by April and made fun of MACS with a deek joke for good measure. It wasn’t just to disagree with someone who hadn’t posted in the thread yet and chose to quote me later. The MACS part was just a cheap shot. I don’t really believe he sucks deek or eats donkey turds.

I took post 60 as calling me wrong and and accusing me of using late inning hindsight when I didn’t. I guess the “You keep saying things like that and you might even convince yourself.” through me off. I took it as calling me wrong and disagreeing. Forgive me if the quote is not exact I don’t want to bother to find it and make it exact. If it wasn’t calling me wrong then so be it.

I’ve been intimately involved with the modeling all along and watched things develop real time. There is no late inning picking and choosing going on. That’s made up nonsense. Just watching decision points and developments and remodeling accordingly. It’s how it works. Some models have been more accurate or precise than others but this has been a textbook pandemic for the type of virus believe it or not. That has different meaning than some apply to it but oh well I can’t help that. We all have our level of understanding.

Meh if anyone wants to believe my take on the virus somehow hinges on an individual in here rather than my profession and what I’ve been working on every day, and I just want to disagree with them even though I weighed in first, and for some reason I’m just lying and don’t know what I’m talking about so be it. I guess you’ve got me. I’ve been exposed.

But read the whole thing objectively and I doubt that’s where you land.

It’s really silly, and I won’t be goaded into a stupid argument at that level.

I hope we have immunity by April. I would love to be wrong.

And now that recognition makes me sad.
Like Tony, I believed in you.

Now I don't know what to think...

Any info on the new variant they found in Cal and NY ?

The California variant is just awful. It’s vegan, it’s receptors are shaped like man buns, and it is woke and all about raising awareness.

ok...think you are lying now....

why? cuz MACS said you are doopid and he wants to keel you

Just pretend that you did and proclaim victory lol. Gaslighting is in vogue.

Huh. Given a choice of cbid Libertarians, I would have figure rayr for the man bun

At least we didn't make fun of your dog.