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tailgater Offline
#51 Posted: Fri, Feb 19 2021, 8:57 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
We’ve managed to create and control smog in some places. Haven’t figured out what to do with smug yet.


But you do know, don't you?

I can tell by the look on your face...
RayR Offline
#52 Posted: Sat, Feb 20 2021, 1:42 PM EST
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Outages Morph Into Outrage As Texans Slapped With "Mind-Blowing" Power Bills
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/outages-morph-outrage-texans-slapped-mind-blowing-power-bills

Texas Electric Board Members Live WHERE?
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2021/02/18/texas-ercot-removes-board-members-from-website-as-their-residencies-are-questioned-n1426475

Texas Freeze Raises Cost Of Charging A Tesla To $900
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/texas-freeze-raises-cost-charging-tesla-900

680 Water Systems in Texas Issue Boil-water Notices
https://www.iceagenow.info/680-water-systems-in-texas-issue-boil-water-notices/
teedubbya Offline
#53 Posted: Sat, Feb 20 2021, 1:51 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
nobody ever remembers the nuclar power.... Sad


Iran remembers
tonygraz Offline
#54 Posted: Sat, Feb 20 2021, 6:05 PM EST
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Russia and Japan too.
delta1 Offline
#55 Posted: Sat, Feb 20 2021, 6:11 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
Outages Morph Into Outrage As Texans Slapped With "Mind-Blowing" Power Bills
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/outages-morph-outrage-texans-slapped-mind-blowing-power-bills

Texas Electric Board Members Live WHERE?
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2021/02/18/texas-ercot-removes-board-members-from-website-as-their-residencies-are-questioned-n1426475

Texas Freeze Raises Cost Of Charging A Tesla To $900
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/texas-freeze-raises-cost-charging-tesla-900

680 Water Systems in Texas Issue Boil-water Notices
https://www.iceagenow.info/680-water-systems-in-texas-issue-boil-water-notices/









quite an indictment against unregulated capitalism;

https://news.yahoo.com/cfo-at-jerry-jones-gas-company-on-rising-prices-due-to-texas-freeze-like-hitting-the-jackpot-235448196.html
RayR Offline
#56 Posted: Sun, Feb 21 2021, 10:31 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
quite an indictment against unregulated capitalism;

https://news.yahoo.com/cfo-at-jerry-jones-gas-company-on-rising-prices-due-to-texas-freeze-like-hitting-the-jackpot-235448196.html


Oh Please! You get your analysis from a third rate Yahoo Sports writer?
None of you Chicom Biden fans even knows what 'capitalism" is, so how could you determine the difference between "unregulated capitalism" and "regulated capitalism"?
Clearly the politicians and the ERCOT bureaurats, a third of which don't even live in Texas set the stage for this disaster...well because they love being central planning experts instead of leaving the responsibility and risks to individual energy providers to provide excess capacity to properly service their customers when needed (because that would be real capitalism).
I don't know how many times you have to read into the plan to figure it out, but it definitely isn't laissez-faire. But nothing will convince the nitwits that the Texas system isn't a deregulated energy market. Of course nitwits would define a deregulated energy market as anything not overseen by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC)

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/02/19/assigning-blame-for-the-blackouts-in-texas/
RayR Offline
#57 Posted: Tue, Feb 23 2021, 7:10 PM EST
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Board Leaders Of Texas Power Grid Resign After Blackout Outrage

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The chair of Texas’s power grid operator and four other board members have resigned in the wake of the widespread outrage resulting from the energy crisis that crippled the state’s electrical system.

According to a filing by the PUC of Texas, Electric Reliability Council of Texas Chair Sally Talberg resigned along with Vice Chair Peter Cramton and board members Raymond Hepper, Terry Bulger, Vanessa Anesetti-Parra,/

In their resignation letter, the member cited recent concerns raised about out-of-state board leadership at the grid operator. “To allow state leaders a free hand with future direction and to eliminate distractions, we are resigning from the board effective after our urgent board teleconference meeting adjourns on Wednesday, February 24, 2021."

Read on...

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/board-leaders-texas-power-grid-resign-after-blackout-outrage
delta1 Offline
#58 Posted: Tue, Feb 23 2021, 7:42 PM EST
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this article discusses relationship between Texas' power companies and their PUC, ERCOT, who recommended some equipment modifications after the freeze in 2011 .... they met resistance to this regulation from the power companies, who didn't want to spend the money for preventative measures...


“Too often, power companies get exactly what they want out of the PUC,” said Tim Morstad, associate director of AARP Texas. “Even well-intentioned PUC staff are outgunned by armies of power company lawyers and their experts. The sad truth is that if power companies object to something, in this case simply providing information about the durability of certain equipment, they are extremely likely to get what they want.”


https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/22/texas-power-grid-extreme-weather/
HockeyDad Offline
#59 Posted: Tue, Feb 23 2021, 9:18 PM EST
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The problem can be solved with rate increases. It’s not hard.
teedubbya Offline
#60 Posted: Tue, Feb 23 2021, 10:18 PM EST
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Lol have you seen some of the bills folks are getting?
frankj1 Offline
#61 Posted: Wed, Feb 24 2021, 10:57 AM EST
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when a lot of people want a product, the price goes up
RayR Offline
#62 Posted: Wed, Feb 24 2021, 11:16 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
when a lot of people want a product, the price goes up


That depends. If the supply of product in a free market goes up faster than the demand, competition for the consumer dollar may drive the price down. That capitalist model doesn't fit with the Texas situation with it's multiple layers of bureaucracy, politicians, experts and lawyers between the producers and the consumer.
izonfire Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Feb 24 2021, 12:17 PM EST
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Precisely.

Left alone, a private entity would never manipulate the supply or collude with other suppliers to maximize profits at the expense and detriment of the consumer, regardless of the situation. The primary goal of true capitalism is humanitarian endeavors...
RayR Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Feb 24 2021, 12:54 PM EST
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Private sector cartels where producers collude amongst each other to raise prices never work because somebody always cheats.
Only government can create a cartel under the guise of law and make it stick. A lot more hands in the consumers pocket that way too.
But when something goes catastrophically wrong like in Texas the finger pointing starts among the players. .
delta1 Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Feb 24 2021, 1:35 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Precisely.

Left alone, a private entity would never manipulate the supply or collude with other suppliers to maximize profits at the expense and detriment of the consumer, regardless of the situation. The primary goal of true capitalism is humanitarian endeavors...


Enron

Dow Chemicals

DuPont

Union Carbide

General Motors

Phillip Morris

Owens Corning

Toyota

Shell Oil
izonfire Offline
#66 Posted: Wed, Feb 24 2021, 1:46 PM EST
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Hint for Delta:

When I post here, 98.2% of the time it's with a heavy dose of sarcasm.

I know he's new here tho....
delta1 Offline
#67 Posted: Wed, Feb 24 2021, 1:59 PM EST
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Of course I knew your sarcastic skewer was out...we share similar senses of humor...

I just wanted to mention the corporate humanitarians/good citizens that you mentioned... a few hall of shamers...
izonfire Offline
#68 Posted: Wed, Feb 24 2021, 2:23 PM EST
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ThumpUp Beer
frankj1 Offline
#69 Posted: Wed, Feb 24 2021, 3:45 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Hint for Delta:

When I post here, 98.2% of the time it's with a heavy dose of sarcasm.

I know he's new here tho....

ray didn't know I was being sarcastic as well.
deadeyedick Offline
#70 Posted: Wed, Feb 24 2021, 5:42 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Enron

Dow Chemicals

DuPont

Union Carbide

General Motors

Phillip Morris

Owens Corning

Toyota

Shell Oil


Iffn' ya don't like them you don't have to buy their products no?
delta1 Offline
#71 Posted: Wed, Feb 24 2021, 7:30 PM EST
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no, but they do so much harm before we know they know they're hurting people...by the time we learn of reasons to decide not to buy their stuff, many people no longer have the choice to avoid their products...every one of those corporations had internal documents that showed they were aware of the harm they were causing...


just making a point that unregulated capitalism may not be good for us, just like over-regulation isn't good for us...
frankj1 Offline
#72 Posted: Wed, Feb 24 2021, 8:11 PM EST
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gotta use the local water and breathe the local air.
RayR Offline
#73 Posted: Wed, Feb 24 2021, 8:30 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
no, but they do so much harm before we know they know they're hurting people...by the time we learn of reasons to decide not to buy their stuff, many people no longer have the choice to avoid their products...every one of those corporations had internal documents that showed they were aware of the harm they were causing...


just making a point that unregulated capitalism may not be good for us, just like over-regulation isn't good for us...


Sounds like yer talking about gubment there. Only difference gubment doesn't give anybody a choice not to buy their stuff.
delta1 Offline
#74 Posted: Wed, Feb 24 2021, 8:31 PM EST
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gotta keep your eyes open and look both ways before crossing...

2022...2024...2026...2028
izonfire Offline
#75 Posted: Thu, Feb 25 2021, 12:26 AM EST
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You don't have to buy their products
But their poison is free for all...
deadeyedick Offline
#76 Posted: Thu, Feb 25 2021, 6:34 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
You don't have to buy their products
But their poison is free for all...


Last time I looked a very large part of superfund sites were military installations. I think that is government. AZ has many drinking water problems near quite a few such sites.
delta1 Offline
#77 Posted: Thu, Feb 25 2021, 6:42 PM EST
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600 out of 1,303...


and nobody wants to shut down, defund or eliminate that part of government...
deadeyedick Offline
#78 Posted: Thu, Feb 25 2021, 6:49 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
gotta use the local water and breathe the local air.


Like he said.
delta1 Offline
#79 Posted: Thu, Feb 25 2021, 6:52 PM EST
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or move...

mass migrations due to climate change are predicted...
HockeyDad Offline
#80 Posted: Thu, Feb 25 2021, 7:08 PM EST
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They better get to migrating! We only got 9 years left.
delta1 Offline
#81 Posted: Thu, Feb 25 2021, 7:11 PM EST
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nuh uh...everything will be fixed by 2035, when we're going to do away with internal combustion gasoline fueled engines
HockeyDad Offline
#82 Posted: Thu, Feb 25 2021, 7:16 PM EST
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I got bad news for you: When the USA reaches carbon neutral global warming will still be happening.
delta1 Offline
#83 Posted: Thu, Feb 25 2021, 7:20 PM EST
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thankfully, I'll be dead when they kill all the cows...can't imagine life without a big juicy steak every now and then...


granpa...tell me bout the good ol days...romping around in a 400HP beast that got 8 MPG
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