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Biden is coming for your guns...
DrafterX Offline
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I tried to tell youse guys... Not talking
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Meh, it's on CNN though.
clintCigar Offline
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Letem try to pull that schit in TX.
Stogie1020 Offline
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Gun Control Sanctuary States in 3, 2, 1...

I mean, if states and cities can ignore Federal immigration laws, why not others too?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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I read that AZ is doing just that!
Gene363 Offline
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The 3 Biggest Lies Joe Biden Told About Guns Today

Poor old Joe. We knock him around a lot for his advancing physical and mental infirmities. But when you get him going on a topic he really cares about — like rolling back Americans’ gun rights — it puts an extra little spring in his step. The fact that he referred to the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms as the A.F.T. (twice) today is a slip-up any of us could make, right? Sure.

But you can’t put the old guy in front of a microphone for more than a minute or two before the lies and outright falsehoods begin to pour forth, drowning his audience in a fetid flow of malodorous misinformation.

In fact, the President called the United States an “international embarassment” this morning because of our ongoing “gun violence epidemic.” Yeah, it was that bad.


Make no mistake, these aren’t just instances of “mis-speaking” or exaggeration (he was reading from a TelePromter, after all). Grampy Joe stood before his audience and the cameras and lied these same lies he’s been lying over and over again for decades.

Today’s big Rose Garden announcement, which gathered many of the gun control community’s luminaries, was no exception. So while the lies were legion, for brevity’s sake, we’ll keep our list of Biden’s most bilious falsehoods to a list of the top three.

Lie Number 1

Nothing I’m about to recommend in any way impinges on the Second Amendment. … The idea is just bizarre to think that some of the things we’re recommending are contrary to the constitution.

The two gun gun control measures Biden has directed the Department of Justice, through ATF rule-making, to put in place would put an and end to 80% frame and lowers that aren’t serialized. He wants the parts — or build kits that contain them — to be serialized and regulated under the Gun Control Act, requiring buyers to undergo the requisite background check.

Americans have been building their own firearms since before the Declaration of Independence. There’s literally nothing different about finishing and assembling a firearm from a build kit, or crafting your own receiver and completing a build from a range of parts bought separately.

Joe Biden says this is a firearm and you can build it in 30 minutes. (JWT for TTAG)
The ATF has already defined 80% frames and lowers as non-firearms. That’s why they don’t require a background check to purchase one. Selling one as part of a build kit doesn’t make it any easier to complete one, either. So now regulating these plastic or aluminum non-guns as firearms would be a clear violation of American’s right to keep and bear arms.

As for regulating AR or AK pistols with braces attached under the National Firearm Act would be another bright line violation. AR and AK pistols are, just like a GLOCK 17 or a SIG P365, semiautomatic handguns. In other words they’re among the most commonly owned and used firearms in the country.

The Supreme Court’s Heller decision had something to say about commonly owned and used firearms. After noting that the Second Amendment “is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose,” Justice Scalia wrote that the right to keep and bear arms applies to “those (guns) in common use for lawful purposes.” He went on to note that a lower court ruling finding “the sorts of weapons protected (from regulation) are those ‘in common use at the time’ finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.”

Again the ATF has long ago approved the use of pistol stabilizing braces. Adding one to a semi-automatic pistol — whatever the caliber — doesn’t somehow magically transform a pistol into a short barrel rifle, let alone justify regulating one as a machine gun. Trying to do so is the beginning of a process of chipping away at sales and ownership of semi-automatic firearms.

In short, by any measure, requiring Americans to undergo a background check when buying parts that are not guns, or regulating semi-automatic pistols with braces out of reach of most people, are egregious, unconstitutional impingements on Second Amendment rights.

Lie Number 2

You walk into a store and buy a gun, you have a background check. But you go to a gun show, you can buy whatever you want and no background check.

Old Joe just can’t help himself. This often-repeated lie has been employed — and debunked — by so many members of the gun control community, you’d think they’d have stopped trying to use it. But maybe the old guy figures most people have never been to a gun show and have no idea he’s really lying through his teeth.

Joe — and virtually every single person in the Rose Garden audience today — knows that the Middle East gun bazaar image that Biden described today couldn’t possibly be further from the truth. The vast majority of those selling guns at the hundreds of gun shows around the country are licensed dealers. Anyone buying a firearm from them has to undergo the same background checks they would if they walked into a brick-and-mortar store.

If that doesn’t happen, the dealer has broken the law.

Yes, it’s possible to buy a gun in a direct sale from another attendee who’s walking the aisles or from an individual collector who buys a table in order to offload a few guns, but those are clear exceptions. Biden’s “you can buy whatever you want” garbage is a blatant and disgusting lie and he (probably) knows it.

Lie Number 3

The only industry in America — a billion dollar industry — that can’t be sued, has exempt from being sued, are gun manufacturers. … This is the only outfit that is exempt from being sued.

Once again, this is a lie that Biden repeats again and again. No industry in America is exempt from being sued if it produces faulty or dangerous products. Ask Remington if gun makers enjoy some kind of special magic immunity from lawsuits.

In repeating this lie, Biden was, of course, referring to Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. That’s the law that protects gun makers from lawfare suits by anti-gun types when their lawfully-made and legally-sold products are used in the commission of a crime.

The PLCAA is a (to coin a phrase) common sense protection put in place to protect gun makers, keeping blood-sucking tort lawyers and gun control industry sharks from literally suing them into bankruptcy.

Biden knows this. He’s well aware of what repealing the PLCAA would do to gun makers. In fact, in his comments this morning, he let this little comment slip:

If I get one thing on my list, if the Lord came down and said, ‘Joe, you get one of these,’ gimme that one (PLCAA repeal).

Nothing would make Joe Biden and every one of the gun-grabbing droogs in his Rose Garden audience happier than watching America’s firearms manufacturers sued into oblivion.
ZRX1200 Offline
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I would add HUGE LIE #4

The “assault weapons ban” had NO effect on crime, there was actually a slight increase and that’s why it unceremoniously sunsetted without much fanfare. But don’t let that stop another continued talking point to control narrative.

In honor of Joe I milled a channel on a PF940v2.....

FU Joe.
delta1 Offline
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dayum...for somebody who is sposed to be dead now, Biden sure is aggravating a lot of peeps...

must be one tough zombie...
DrafterX Offline
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Biden sucks.... Mellow
Speyside Offline
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Gene, I do not know the answer to the following. If I bought a gun at a show from a dealer would I recieve the gun at the purchase, after 3 days, or on completion of a background check?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Gene, I do not know the answer to the following. If I bought a gun at a show from a dealer would I recieve the gun at the purchase, after 3 days, or on completion of a background check?



In the state of Florida you would have to fill out the licensing forms and pass the background check...wait the 3 days and it would have to go to a licensed FFL dealer for pick up. You paid for the gun already. If you don't pass any of it...they can consign sale the gun but there's no guarantee you'll get what you paid for the gun.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Spey it depends on how that state processes the 4473 BGC forms. Most states do so federally which is pretty quick, some states like mine however use their own system (Oregon uses the Oregon State Police in Salem) so that they can have more control. By law in Oregon if it takes more than 72 hours the gun shpo (or gun show seller) can hand over the firearm to you. Not many shop’s actually do that because the rats in the unelected offices will rain down holy fine terror and issue fines and threaten to shut businesses down.

If your state does it federally it should be same day.

In Oregon this is LITERALLY the ONLY government agency they have ZERO interest in expanding. The last two 4473’s I’ve filled out I was number #5,470 and #6,075 in the que......2-3 week wait.
fiddler898 Offline
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Goodness, such virulent pearl clutching for such minor adjustments.
gummy jones Offline
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I look forward to meeting him
gummy jones Offline
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I volunteered at an alzheimers home one summer and just hope he keeps his pants on
MACS Offline
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Here's another great question: If I already own 5 or 6 handguns and I want to buy another... why should I have to wait ANY length of time longer than the time it takes to run the background check (a day or two)?

If I planned on using it for nefarious purposes... I already own other guns.
Gene363 Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Gene, I do not know the answer to the following. If I bought a gun at a show from a dealer would I recieve the gun at the purchase, after 3 days, or on completion of a background check?


As has been said, it depends on your state, the background check* has to be completed successfully in all cases, then if your state has a waiting period, the wait time has to be completed and then you can receive the firearm.

* In some states, holders of a concealed carry license are considered to have already completed a through background check. In those states presenting a valid CCP satisfies the background check requirement.

There is no difference in how/when the firearm transfers from dealer to buyer at a between a bricks and mortar store or at a gun show.
Gene363 Offline
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fiddler898 wrote:
Goodness, such virulent pearl clutching for such minor adjustments.


Not minor at all, additional infringement of The Second Amendment that will do absolutely nothing but deny law abiding citizens their rights.
HockeyDad Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Gene, I do not know the answer to the following. If I bought a gun at a show from a dealer would I recieve the gun at the purchase, after 3 days, or on completion of a background check?


If you passed the background check you would get the firearm after the prescribed waiting period which can vary by state, city, and county. You go by the most restrictive.

In California that would be ten days to wait.
Abrignac Offline
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fiddler898 wrote:
Goodness, such virulent pearl clutching for such minor adjustments.


Please convince me these minor adjustments will save lives.
DrafterX Offline
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Dictator Biden lied... Mellow
Stogie1020 Offline
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I bet whole swaths of violent criminals are sitting around wondering how they will ever be able to continue their pathetic existence after these reforms are enacted and they will no longer have access to guns...


Oh wait...
Burner02 Offline
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LIE #5
The President stated that weapons purchased on line do not require a background check. That is total "BS". For Fiddler and the others that don't know, the paperwork for the check is completed at the FFL dealer the weapon is shipped to. No weapons are shipped to the purchaser unless they possess a FFL.

Another thing for the unknowing, the items being pushed by the President would not have prevented any of the three shootings that he referenced repeatedly during his clown show on Thur.
Speyside Offline
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Thanks guys.
Burner02 Offline
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Arizona's Ducey signs bill protecting state gun laws from federal legislation

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arizonas-ducey-signs-bill-protecting-state-gun-laws-from-federal-legislation
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Just wondering, how would a Red Flag law apply to Hunter, the first son.

Does he still have a handgun? Is he a danger to himself or others?
ZRX1200 Offline
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Let’s not overlook naming a new ATF lead that had a big hand in the “Fast and Furious” fiasco.....not seeing that being discussed in the media.

I guess arming Mexican cartels is clutching pearls as well......you know in an effort to get more gun control after guns were traced to American “sales”.

Do you LIKE the taste of Tyranny with a side of boot leather?
fiddler898 Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
Not minor at all, additional infringement of The Second Amendment that will do absolutely nothing but deny law abiding citizens their rights.


Oh, the inhumanity!
fiddler898 Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Please convince me these minor adjustments will save lives.


Can’t do that, I’m not the one raising a militia.
Stogie1020 Offline
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fiddler898 wrote:
Can’t do that, I’m not the one raising a militia.


Please see District of Columbia v. Heller. The SCOTUS separated the militia element of the 2nd Amendment and affirmed an individual's right to keep and bear arms.
Gene363 Offline
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fiddler898 wrote:
Oh, the inhumanity!


Oh, aren't you the little bomb thrower.
Speyside Offline
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Source Wikipedia

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark decision of the US Supreme Court ruling that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, unconnected with service in a militia, for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that the District of Columbia's handgun ban and requirement that lawfully owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.[1] It also stated that the right to bear arms is not unlimited and that guns and gun ownership would continue to be regulated. It was the first Supreme Court case to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense or if the right was intended for state militias.[2]
ZRX1200 Offline
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State militias were the residents of the states, male, of a certain age.

Not the goddamn national guard....another left wing fantasy.

I don’t have a son I have a daughter so under the idea of originalism I am not raising a militia but she can kick punch and shoot.
ZRX1200 Offline
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https://gatdaily.com/breaking-alleged-draft-of-atf-ghost-gun-rule/?fbclid=IwAR2zLy8kAsNVYqrVpAFu7ACQIGVjIOStT8FdtXsDhiZ2wv6gr3wOQN6HdNE

I’m sure there’s crickets just like all the great things Obama did for the 2ndA
MACS Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
State militias were the residents of the states, male, of a certain age.

Not the goddamn national guard....another left wing fantasy.

I don’t have a son I have a daughter so under the idea of originalism I am not raising a militia but she can kick punch and shoot.


Fiddler's mouth is like an anus... every time he opens it, sh-t comes out.
DrafterX Offline
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Sick
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looks like drafters moved a little
MACS Offline
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8PQM1pqJdQ
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A very unusual version of a Boston steamer... Think
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