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You want to inject me with a non-FDA-approved chemical soup adulterated with DNA altering paramagnetic nanobots? No friggin way man!

The way progressive talk, they should be first in line.

Put your arm in were your rhetoric is.

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COVID vaccines have proven their efficacy and safety in the 7 months they've been administered...several billions of shots all over the world (more than 33 million every day) and a very small number of serious adverse side effects...

vaccines are what have changed the course of the pandemic and returned us to a path to normalcy...even those who are purposefully blind can see that...if not, to what do you attribute the declining numbers?


don't wish ill on anyone...hope all of those who oppose the vaccine stay healthy, along with everyone else...but if they get infected and infect someone else....

I don't think anyone has cast aspersions on the vaccine's efficacy. As I have said a few times, I have been vaccinated more than most... so to call me an anti-vaxxer would be moronic.

Is one safer having had the vaccine? Or having had the covid and recovered? Which is more effective, the vaccine or your own antibodies?

I don't wish ill on anyone, either... scratch that, maybe a couple... I just don't know why everyone is so hyped on telling everyone to get a vaccine that has not been tested on humans until, well... just now. There are signs on the freeway. Ads on TV, Ads on google, on YouTube, it's being pushed like I have never seen anything pushed before.

We're being told constantly to follow the science. Well... the numbers do not add up. 600k deaths in the USA? Just under 4 million worldwide? In a country with 370 million and a world with over 7 billion? Is that a pandemic?

Deaths are overwhelmingly in the older people with comorbidities. They should get the vaccine. Miniscule in the young and healthy. Why push it on them?

We all see the world through our own lenses. This is how I am seeing this.

deaths are not the only measuring stick, and can be a product of a nation's robust healthcare system versus another's feeble one...and 600K is about 6-10 times what an awful flu has done historically in the US, so those who minimized this at the beginning and all along as no worse than the flu have been proven wrong...

the excess mortality due to COVID in the world in 2020 is estimated at 3 million...these numbers exceed the Asian Flu pandemic of the 50's...


there are enough numbers of younger healthy people getting infected and requiring hospitalization that it is a worse choice to take a chance and get infected, than to take the prophylactic...long haul is a bitch...

but the definition of pandemic has been politicized and those with specific world views choose the one that aligns


I've gotten the flu several times, never needed hospitalization but was on my back, in bed for 3-4 days...that convinced me to take the flu vax...haven't been seriously sick with the flu in decades...

I don't get the flu vaccine. I do not recall when I had the flu last.

On the other hand, I will be getting the shingles vaccine. That sh*t is painful.

The actual number of US covid deaths is 450 million.

Wuss !

There are only 5 cases and will be zero soon.

(I haven't hit a 9 in like a week or so)

Did a like tree 3's along the way, do them pigs count?

I keep my pants up with a piece of twine, that's why "I Walk the line", and this thread needs a NINE-teen.

Tell them Johnny Cash

We actually did that in Alameda County. (For you flyover state rubes that’s Oakland)

They cut their death count by 25% by no longer counting anyone who died and had Covid as a Covid death. They were literally counting car wrecks as Covid.

400 people died in car crashes in alameda county? Ban cars.

If you're talking about natural immunity from a naturally occurring virus (this it what we've been told, its a naturally occurring virus that just happened to jump out of the wild into humans) over a "cure" that was created in a lab in under 6 months that is only approved for "emergency use only?"

I'll take natural immunity 10 out of 10 times. What what the overall death rate of the entire population that was exposed to the virus? Help me out on the numbers...

Never commented on where it came from or if natural or not. Not my thing.

But we are clear, you are pure anti vaxer. 10 out of 10. Vaccines have never done anything good, prevented any illness or eradicated any disease. Not 1. That’s all anyone really needs to know. The rest is a retrofit. I know I know you still believe the 6 months crap because you don’t really believe or understand mRNA and it’s history and testing. I heard the polio vaccine was studied for a decade before put in to use. And it sucked. 🙄

And the alameda thing was stupid and got corrected. Don’t mistake that as saying there are no other examples of error. Those are your words not mine. But the deaths are way undercounted as a whole. There is room for error on both ends but the undercount particularly on deaths way out paces any overcount. And there are processes in place to identify both. Imperfect but there. And finding the error becomes fuel for the deniers. Its’ not close at all between over and under. It just isn’t as much as you want it to be. But if you can find one that means there is more so you should throw out all the numbers. That is a defined step in the denier process. It’s bunk.

And deaths aren’t the be all end all. I’ve said from day one there are much larger long term health related costs than death.

There are better sources like nih but they are all governmenty and sciencey experty. So I went simple.

On April 26, 1954, the Salk polio vaccine field trials, involving 1.8 million children, begin at the Franklin Sherman Elementary School in McLean, Virginia. Children in the United States, Canada and Finland participated in the trials, which used for the first time the now-standard double-blind method, whereby neither the patient nor attending doctor knew if the inoculation was the vaccine or a placebo.

One year later, on April 12, 1955, researchers announced the vaccine was safe and effective and it quickly became a standard part of childhood immunizations in America. In the ensuing decades, polio vaccines would all but wipe out the highly contagious disease in the Western Hemisphere.

READ MORE: How a New Polio Vaccine Faced Shortages and Setbacks

Polio, known officially as poliomyelitis, is an infectious disease that has existed since ancient times and is caused by a virus. It occurs most commonly in children and can result in paralysis. The disease reached epidemic proportions throughout the first half of the 20th century. During the 1940s and 1950s, polio was associated with the iron lung, a large metal tank designed to help polio victims suffering from respiratory paralysis breathe.

President Franklin Roosevelt was diagnosed with polio in 1921 at the age of 39 and was left paralyzed from the waist down and forced to use leg braces and a wheelchair for the rest of his life. In 1938, Roosevelt helped found the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, later renamed the March of Dimes. The organization was responsible for funding much of the research concerning the disease, including the Salk vaccine trials.

The man behind the original vaccine was New York-born physician and epidemiologist Jonas Salk (1914-95). Salk’s work on an anti-influenza vaccine in the 1940s, while at the University of Michigan School of Public Health, led him, in 1952 at the University of Pittsburgh, to develop the inactivated polio vaccine (IPV), based on a killed-virus strain of the disease. The 1954 field trials that followed, the largest in U.S. history at the time, were led by Salk’s former University of Michigan colleague, Dr. Thomas Francis, Jr.

READ MORE: 8 Things You May Not Know About Jonas Salk and the Polio Vaccine

In the late 1950s, Polish-born physician and virologist Albert Sabin (1906-1993) tested an oral polio vaccine (OPV) he had created from a weakened live virus. The vaccine, easier to administer and cheaper to produce than Salk’s, became available for use in America in the early 1960s and eventually replaced Salk’s as the vaccine of choice in most countries.

Today, polio has been eliminated throughout much of the world due to the vaccine; however, there is still no cure for the disease and it persists in a small number of countries in Africa and Asia.

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Citation Information

Article Title
Polio vaccine trials begin
Author
History.com Editors
Website Name
HISTORY
URL
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/polio-vaccine-trials-begin
Access Date
June 16, 2021
Publisher
A&E Television Networks
Last Updated
April 26, 2021
Original Published Date
November 24, 2009
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BY HISTORY.COM EDITORS

Please point out where I said that anywhere. You can use the search here or any search engine you desire. I'll wait for the results.

And the alameda thing was stupid and got corrected. Don’t mistake that as saying there are no other examples of error. Those are your words not mine. But the deaths are way undercounted as a whole. There is room for error on both ends but the undercount particularly on deaths way out paces any overcount. Not close at all. It just isn’t as much as you want it to be.



Death tolls are not the be all and end all... maybe you should talk to your experts that have pushed this statistic and cherry picked them when they feed the fear to the public for the past year or so.

Long term health effects and related costs? Really? You push the unknown long term health effects of the virus as a scare tactic... you have no numbers... it's a thought experiment. I'll grant you that one, nobody knows but you can probably model it based on similar viruses (it's so easy, it's vanilla).

What are the long term health effects from your 9 month old cocktail? Any data on that? Nope... until now, the tech that they are using to make it never made it out of the R&D labs, never approved for use in anything. What are the long term effects from this new fangled, never used technology on humans.

Still waiting for the numbers... What is the population death rate of those who caught the RONA.

What are the numbers for long term health effects from those you got the injections? Nobody knows, it's a thought experiment (again). Only time will tell. But long term effects of the virus are bad, trust us... The cure will fix your affliction, even though we don't know the long term effects of the virus, the long term effects of the "cure" are zero (just ask the experts, they won't say zero but trust us and JUST GET THE SHOT!)

Still waiting for an example of an approved vaccine that uses mRNA technology, other than COVID. I'm not holding my breath because that question, in your world, apparently is not clear enough. Other than using Crayons, I don't know how to state it clearer. I'll still get the same non-answer from you and all those else here beating the GET YOUR SHOT and how stupid I am.

If one is concocted, I surely hope you're first in line to get it.

It's ok to be a Trump supporting, elf on the shelf believing / dogma pushing antivaxxer... I won't even say anything about it.

I'll just point and laugh.

Speaking of which... in the Military vaccinations are not an option. You line up and you get them. The end.

(Unless you're a crotchety Senior Chief and you tell the corpsman to mark that you got it and you did not, like I did with the flu vaccine)

Well whataya know... the covid vaccine is totally voluntary. They are not forcing it on anyone.

By the way, that Alameda thing wasn’t an error. It was deliberate in their methodology. They just decided to change the methodology recently.

Well, as new data comes out ya' gotta adjust the model. It's to sciencey for you to understand so just get the shot already then you can walk into a restaurant without that life saving bed sheet mask that you've been wearing all this time.

The data is still being crunched to see if you can walk the wrong way down the aisles at the grocery store though. Best to play it safe and go hang out at the beer store, there's no Rona there.

No value in point counter point. At this point I imagine most everyone DGAF what others do. I made my choice it was the best one for myself. You make your choice that is the best one for you and your family. That's all that counts.

Why would I do that? I embrace my new magnetic nanonbot overlords.

Plus I find it more amusing to watch you demand proof... you can guess which path I'll push this conversation towards... and it's not towards scraping tfi.

That's a true statement... I rarely care about your opinion. Does that make me pissy though? Oh... you were talking to Bucky... ok.

Pretty sure he don't gaf about your opinion either >:)