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FDA experts among group opposing US booster shot plan
rfenst Offline
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AP
The average person doesn’t need a COVID-19 booster yet, an international group of scientists — including two top U.S. regulators — wrote Monday in a scientific journal.

The experts reviewed studies of the vaccines’ performance and concluded the shots are working well despite the extra-contagious delta variant, especially against severe disease.

“Even in populations with fairly high vaccination rates, the unvaccinated are still the major drivers of transmission” at this stage of the pandemic, they concluded.

The opinion piece, published in The Lancet, illustrates the intense scientific debate about who needs booster doses and when, a decision the U.S. and other countries are grappling with.


After revelations of political meddling in the Trump administration’s coronavirus response, President Joe Biden has promised to “follow the science.” But the review raises the question of whether his administration is moving faster than the experts.

The authors include two leading vaccine reviewers at the Food and Drug Administration, Drs. Phil Krause and Marion Gruber, who recently announced they will be stepping down this fall. Among the other 16 authors are leading vaccine researchers in the U.S., Britain, France, South Africa and India, plus scientists with the World Health Organization, which already has urged a moratorium on boosters until poor countries are better vaccinated.

In the U.S., the White House has begun planning for boosters later this month, if both the FDA and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention agree. Advisers to the FDA will weigh evidence about an extra Pfizer shot Friday at a key public meeting.

Georgetown University’s Larry Gostin said the paper “throws gasoline on the fire” in the debate about whether most Americans truly need boosters and whether the White House got ahead of scientists.

“It’s always a fundamental error of process to make a scientific announcement before the public health agencies have acted and that’s exactly what happened here,” said Gostin, a lawyer and public health specialist.

The FDA did not respond to requests for comment Monday morning.

The U.S. already offers an extra dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines to people with severely weakened immune systems.

For the general population, the debate is boiling down to whether boosters should be given even though the vaccines are still offering high protection against severe disease — possibly in hopes of blocking milder “breakthrough” infections among the fully vaccinated.

Last week, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said new data showed that as delta surged, the unvaccinated were 4.5 times more likely than the fully vaccinated to get infected, over 10 times more likely to be hospitalized and 11 times more likely to die. Still, government scientists are also weighing hints that protection is waning among older adults who were vaccinated early last winter.

The writers of Monday’s commentary reported reviewing worldwide studies since delta began surging, mostly of U.S. and European vaccines. The team concluded “none of these studies has provided credible evidence of substantially declining protection against severe disease.”

Because the body builds layers of immunity, gradual drops in antibody levels don’t necessarily mean overall effectiveness is dropping “and reductions in vaccine efficacy against mild disease do not necessarily predict reductions in the (typically higher) efficacy against severe disease,” they wrote.

The more the virus spreads, the more opportunity it has to evolve into strains that could escape current vaccines. The Lancet reviewers suggest there could be bigger gains from creating booster doses that better match circulating variants, much like flu vaccine is regularly updated, than from just giving extra doses of the original vaccine.

“There is an opportunity now to study variant-based boosters before there is widespread need for them,” the scientists wrote.
rfenst Offline
#2 Posted:
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Well, that's certainly interesting and to be factored in to my decision when the time comes...
HockeyDad Offline
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Phil Krause and Marion Gruber better keep their heads on a swivel.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Do I dare utter that common sense might be kicking in?
ZRX1200 Offline
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#followthescienceyoulike
DrMaddVibe Offline
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After admin saw the vaccine failing, they decided to go with medical tyranny




The Biden administration decided to mandate vaccines for Americans despite relying on the Israel data which shows the Pfizer vaccine’s ability to prevent severe disease and hospitalization is waning over time.

The White House is not following the science.

Remarkably, the US CDC is doing little in the way of effective research and data collection. As a result, the White House is relying on Israel data to come up with its mandates. A story in Politico reports that the White House, the CDC, and the FDA used the Israel data to conclude the boosters should begin this fall. This would be despite a good deal of disagreement.

“The U.S. continues to struggle to collect and analyze reliable Covid-19 data because the federal government has long neglected the country’s public health infrastructure,” Politico reports.

That is stunning given their enormous budget of over $8 billion.
The report notes:

The Biden administration has long relied on data from Israel, which has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, to inform its Covid-19 response. Top officials from the White House, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration have analyzed the latest Israeli data for weeks, concluding that the U.S. should begin administering boosters this fall, another senior administration official said.

Although the CDC has published a series of targeted studies that suggest Covid-19 vaccines’ effectiveness against infection is decreasing, particularly in the elderly, the Israeli data is more comprehensive and more alarming, three sources who have reviewed the data told POLITICO on Monday.

So, despite knowing that the ultra-vaxxed nation of Israel reveals the vaccine is failing, the Biden cabal decided to rush the vaccines. Our medical tyranny is based on a floundering vaccine. It is losing potency, especially under Delta. It looks like each variant will require a different vaccine. We would need several of these shots each year.

Why did the administration decide to roll ahead with his medical tyranny instead of slowing down?

To make Pfizer richer? It certainly isn’t their concern for our health.

Asked about the extent to which the Israeli data showed vaccine efficacy waning, Biden’s chief medical adviser, Anthony Fauci, said it was “enough that you would be impressed.”

“I would be very surprised if the U.S. data don’t turn out to be ultimately very similar to the Israeli data,” Fauci told Politico.

This is insane. This White House cabal of anonymous people does the opposite of whatever makes sense.

https://www.independentsentinel.com/after-admin-saw-the-vaccine-failing-they-decided-to-go-with-medical-tyranny/
BuckyB93 Offline
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Full steam ahead. There's too much momentum to pause and reevaluate. Plus lots money, lots of political, professional equity on the line to admit that maybe, just maybe things aren't what has been portrayed.
Stogie1020 Offline
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Yeah, the Lancet. Remember the letter they published from 27 scientists saying the Wu-Flu COULD NOT BE A LAB LEAK and if you disagreed you were to be exiled?

Remember the MSM saying the lab leak theory was "totally debunked conspiracy theory stuff" (based on the Lancet letter)?

Well, 26 of the 27 were found to have funding ties to the Chinese lab (WIV).

You can't make this stuff up.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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I remember posting about that here.

People said that I was wrong and crazy.

Weird

KingoftheCove Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I remember posting about that here.

People said that I was wrong and crazy.

Weird


Heh heh

The Israeli data makes me hesitant to get the vaccine.
I’m still on the fence.

HockeyDad Offline
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Heh heh

The Israeli data makes me hesitant to get the vaccine.
I’m still on the fence.



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zitotczito Offline
#12 Posted:
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FDA panel votes 16-2 against booster shots for the current population from age 16+. They did vote to approve the booster for 65+ and vulnerable population. What is clear here is that the Brain Dead piece of garbage Biden was making the booster decision based on politics and not science as virtually all of Democrats and Biden do with everything and Biden's decisions could get you killed.
HockeyDad Offline
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Biden promised me a booster. That rat fink.

ZRX1200 Offline
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Am I the only one that read the thread title as “boarder shoot”???
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