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How long before a good cigar loses it's flavor ?
tonygraz Offline
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Came up in a conversation on the virtual herf with Opie. What do you guys think ?
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tonygraz wrote:
How long before a good cigar loses it's flavor ?

Just before you put it out…
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Not sure there's a specific answer for this one. I think it depends on the cigar blend as to where the sweet spot is aging wise. IMO stronger, peppery smokes have longer, but I've yet to identify a specific date for anything
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Not sure there's a specific answer for this one. I think it depends on the cigar blend as to where the sweet spot is aging wise. IMO stronger, peppery smokes have longer, but I've yet to identify a specific date for anything


+1

I’ve been lucky enough to smoke 10+ year old Cubans that have been GREAT as well as some that were just okay. Same will NCs but a lot of that feels more wrapper related…with some exceptions. CBL and Corojo seem to keep their flavors for a good while Habano and Sumatra wrapped cigars a bit shorter. For the most part Connies haven’t kept their flavor but maybe the newer blends will be different?
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all that is accurate...

then there are a few makes that are at their very best ROTT, or very close to when fresh rolled...an example would be the Crowned Heads Las Calaveras 2014 which were excellent when I first got them and seemed to diminish over time...

another would be a cigar I bought at a shpo that had a guest roller...she was gorgeous and amply endowed...the one I smoked there was tremendous...the other one I bought and smoked a while later, maybe a few weeks, was not close
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delta1 wrote:
all that is accurate...

then there are a few makes that are at their very best ROTT, or very close to when fresh rolled...an example would be the Crowned Heads Las Calaveras 2014 which were excellent when I first got them and seemed to diminish over time...

another would be a cigar I bought at a shpo that had a guest roller...she was gorgeous and amply endowed...the one I smoked there was tremendous...the other one I bought and smoked a while later, maybe a few weeks, was not close


Haha! If that’s the one I’m thinking of, yes she was!

And fo’ sure the cigar (…and company…) that night were top-notch too!
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It might depend on the packaging too. The JdN Antoños that I had in the humidor before going on my cigar hiatus lost all of their flavor. They were not mild cigars, but 12 years sitting without a cello, and they lost everything. They're now very mild cigars.

On the other hand, I bought a 5pack sampler of Diesels when they first came out in 2009ish. They come in cellos, and I never took them out of the 5pck wrapper. They didn't lose anything. Diesel still sells pretty much the same sampler, so I bought another one last year, couldn't tell much difference at all.
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Palama wrote:
Haha! If that’s the one I’m thinking of, yes she was!

And fo’ sure the cigar (…and company…) that night were top-notch too!



ThumpUp

good times, Conan!
LeeBot Offline
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^could her endowment have clouded your judgment? (about the cigar, not the company)
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could be Lee...I read somewhere that a moist mouth enhances the taste of a cigar...
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Been thinking about this recently when I reorganized my tupers...

I haven't smoked as much as I used to but I have a bunch of singles from bombs and trades from folks over the years... Some from folks here that are no longer physically with us... Also have a few handfuls of a few stragglers from boxes that have been discontinued and no longer made...

Some that have sentimental value... (I know, weird that a cigar has sentimental value but it does). Some are older than my kids and some are the same age as my kids when you guys bombed me when my kids were born.

I just can't pull the trigger to smoke them. They may be past their peak or maybe they settled into their zone. I won't know until I light them up... if I light them up. Problem is once they are gone, they are gone...
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A cigar is made to smoke. That's its meaning. Its purpose. Your life is empty because you spend it trying to stop the cigar from becoming.
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This is true but in the same vein, money is made to be spent yet I hold a sets of proof coins made in the year when both of my kids were born.

Polly a bad analogy but sometimes things, for me, are better remembered then spent.

In 20 years I'll prolly be like Granpa Simpson...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yujF8AumiQo

Palama Offline
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Been thinking about this recently when I reorganized my tupers...

I haven't smoked as much as I used to but I have a bunch of singles from bombs and trades from folks over the years... Some from folks here that are no longer physically with us... Also have a few handfuls of a few stragglers from boxes that have been discontinued and no longer made...

Some that have sentimental value... (I know, weird that a cigar has sentimental value but it does). Some are older than my kids and some are the same age as my kids when you guys bombed me when my kids were born.

I just can't pull the trigger to smoke them. They may be past their peak or maybe they settled into their zone. I won't know until I light them up... if I light them up. Problem is once they are gone, they are gone...


I have some from h.s. classmates that passed away and I just can’t take the cigars out of the humidors and spark them up either. I’ve thought about smoking them on their birthdays but like you said, once they’re gone, they’re gone.
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Just my opinion but. A good example of a cigar that’s meant to be smoked fresh la duena. I smoked one that was fresh. Loved it. Got a robusto that was a few plus years old smoked it the other day. Wasn’t close. I’ve got a box of them I think I’m gonna smoke away. Seems like it just depends on the cigar
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BuckyB93 wrote:
This is true but in the same vein, money is made to be spent yet I hold a sets of proof coins made in the year when both of my kids were born.

Polly a bad analogy but sometimes things, for me, are better remembered then spent.

In 20 years I'll prolly be like Granpa Simpson...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yujF8AumiQo



I did a similar thing for my kids. One day I’ll give them their sets to keep or sell.


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I've done the same. Hopefully they keep it. Again, sentimental value is worth more than the price tag. For me at least...

I'm getting more sentimental as I age. Monetary stuff, status symbols, superficial stuff doesn't mean much to me anymore.

That said, I should prolly burn one of handful of the well aged smokes that Buckwheat sent me. Based on his labels they are about 20 yrs old about now.
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BuckyB93 wrote:
This is true but in the same vein, money is made to be spent yet I hold a sets of proof coins made in the year when both of my kids were born.

I wasn't actually knocking your decision. Just had Hopper's Howard Payne on the brain. So I paraphrased and spit it out
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For me, if they suck ROTT, then I don't buy them again... because I smoke stuff ROTT.

I decided a while ago that old and yellow cellos just don't do it for me.

There are exceptions... LFDs with the flower bands... those things were good with crusty azz cellos, but for the most part... meh.

ROTT for me.
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^ if you smoke a lot of Nicaraguan cigars that’s a solid plan.
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Yeah, Nicaraguan blends are polly my favorite. If I was forced to choose just one puro, it'd prolly be Nic.
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My big exception would be habana wrapped Tatuajes, the regular brown labels age so well.
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BuckyB93 wrote:
I've done the same. Hopefully they keep it. Again, sentimental value is worth more than the price tag. For me at least...

I'm getting more sentimental as I age. Monetary stuff, status symbols, superficial stuff doesn't mean much to me anymore.

That said, I should prolly burn one of handful of the well aged smokes that Buckwheat sent me. Based on his labels they are about 20 yrs old about now.

I was thinking about Buckwheat the other day. Hope he's ok. Great guy.









































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ZRX1200 Offline
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Crap Julian hasn’t posted in some time.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Crap Julian hasn’t posted in some time.


Was thinking the same thing when I read Bucky’s post.
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I gotta think it'd be a couple decades before you could over age a Roma Craft Neanderthal SGP

Extra full body smokes are resting safely

You guys concerned about cigars getting too old are good friends to have!

Maybe I'll check this thread in a few decades, by then maybe I'll have concerns of my own.

I do understand there is a sick period in aging as well, some blends are good rott, some are not good for varying periods in-between and go from good to bad to good to bad to good again

5-6 years aged can be sweet spot or a sick period depending

I've smoked cigars older than me they were fine.

Can't have your cake and eat it too but
Ancient cake sells at Sotheby's
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Just keep the ancient cake away from Elaine.
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