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Rescuers: Biden Admin ‘Actively Impeding’ Evacuation Efforts In Afghanistan
Burner02 Offline
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The Biden administration is hindering ongoing efforts to evacuate Afghan allies under threat from the Taliban, people running private evacuation efforts say.

President Joe Biden withdrew the military from Afghanistan on a self-imposed timeline by the end of August, leaving behind hundreds of American citizens and legal residents who the administration and volunteer rescue groups have worked for months to locate and evacuate. Potentially hundreds of thousands of Afghan allies and members of their families were also left behind with little real hope that the United States would attempt to evacuate them.

While the State Department has continued to facilitate, albeit slowly, the evacuation of U.S. citizens and legal residents of the United States, officials have effectively stifled efforts by private groups attempting to evacuate Afghans that aided the U.S. military during its two-decade occupation and their families, according to National Review.

Ben Owen, the chief executive of Flanders Fields, an organization originally founded to aid homeless veterans but has pitched in to help evacuation operations in Afghanistan, said that the U.S. government is currently tying up several full flights ready to take off by withholding “no objection certificates.” Without the certificates, countries who host the refugees could be accused of facilitating human smuggling by the United States.

“All these countries are asking for is the U.S. Department of State, through an embassy in their country, to say, ‘Go ahead. We don’t care if you do this. We’re not going to help you do it, but we’re also not going to hinder your effort to do it,’” Owen told National Review. “It’s incredibly frustrating to all of us.”

The State Department is “actively impeding our efforts to find third countries to accept flights of Afghans,” he added.

Rescue operations have continued for months since the last U.S. military flight took off from Kabul at the end of August. The media attention on the lives still at stake in Afghanistan has largely moved on, however. Private rescue groups are beginning to struggle financially as many operators commit their own fortunes to the cause.

“It’s really demoralizing on the one hand, and it’s infuriating on the other,” said former Army ranger Jesse Jensen, who co-founded and operates the civilian rescue group Task Force Argo. Jensen is also a candidate for U.S. Congress in Washington state.

“We’ve made a promise to some of these people that we were going to get them out. If you serve with the American government, we will extricate you, we will provide you with an immigrant visa that you will be able to come to the United States and live. And we’re not honoring that,” he told National Review.

Since taking control of the country, the Taliban are believed to have killed numerous Afghanis who cooperated and worked with the U.S. over the past two decades. On Tuesday, about 30 Afghan women led a protest over the Taliban crackdown on U.S. allies. Taliban militants quickly broke up the demonstration and forced journalists watching the event to delete any photos and recordings from their phones.


Speyside2 Offline
#2 Posted:
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DGAF.
Burner02 Offline
#3 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
DGAF.


I DGAF whether you GAF or not.


Whistlebritches Offline
#4 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
DGAF.



Really..............why would you be so callous
Whistlebritches Offline
#5 Posted:
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Burner02 wrote:
The Biden administration is hindering ongoing efforts to evacuate Afghan allies under threat from the Taliban, people running private evacuation efforts say.

President Joe Biden withdrew the military from Afghanistan on a self-imposed timeline by the end of August, leaving behind hundreds of American citizens and legal residents who the administration and volunteer rescue groups have worked for months to locate and evacuate. Potentially hundreds of thousands of Afghan allies and members of their families were also left behind with little real hope that the United States would attempt to evacuate them.

While the State Department has continued to facilitate, albeit slowly, the evacuation of U.S. citizens and legal residents of the United States, officials have effectively stifled efforts by private groups attempting to evacuate Afghans that aided the U.S. military during its two-decade occupation and their families, according to National Review.

Ben Owen, the chief executive of Flanders Fields, an organization originally founded to aid homeless veterans but has pitched in to help evacuation operations in Afghanistan, said that the U.S. government is currently tying up several full flights ready to take off by withholding “no objection certificates.” Without the certificates, countries who host the refugees could be accused of facilitating human smuggling by the United States.

“All these countries are asking for is the U.S. Department of State, through an embassy in their country, to say, ‘Go ahead. We don’t care if you do this. We’re not going to help you do it, but we’re also not going to hinder your effort to do it,’” Owen told National Review. “It’s incredibly frustrating to all of us.”

The State Department is “actively impeding our efforts to find third countries to accept flights of Afghans,” he added.

Rescue operations have continued for months since the last U.S. military flight took off from Kabul at the end of August. The media attention on the lives still at stake in Afghanistan has largely moved on, however. Private rescue groups are beginning to struggle financially as many operators commit their own fortunes to the cause.

“It’s really demoralizing on the one hand, and it’s infuriating on the other,” said former Army ranger Jesse Jensen, who co-founded and operates the civilian rescue group Task Force Argo. Jensen is also a candidate for U.S. Congress in Washington state.

“We’ve made a promise to some of these people that we were going to get them out. If you serve with the American government, we will extricate you, we will provide you with an immigrant visa that you will be able to come to the United States and live. And we’re not honoring that,” he told National Review.

Since taking control of the country, the Taliban are believed to have killed numerous Afghanis who cooperated and worked with the U.S. over the past two decades. On Tuesday, about 30 Afghan women led a protest over the Taliban crackdown on U.S. allies. Taliban militants quickly broke up the demonstration and forced journalists watching the event to delete any photos and recordings from their phones.




These people,especially after the treatment received by the Biden administration, are highly likely to vote republican in future elections............which makes it much more important to get those illegals across that southern border in record time.
Speyside2 Offline
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Whistle, we never belonged there. One hand was always tied behind our back. We should have turned Taliban territory into a sheet of glass. Starting with Korea we never fight to win. Starting with Vietnam we lose. To many American soldiers have died for what? When it comes time to get American soldiers out that is what I GAF about. Keeping American soldiers out of pointless wars is what I GAF about. Is it callous to want to save Americans first, second, and last?

I mean this, how many of our best have died where there never was a plan to win. Let the George Pattons and the Stormin Norman's make plans to win. Keep the politicians the hell out of war, unless of course we send them all to the front line.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Doesn’t mean what’s happening is right…
Mr. Jones Offline
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It's hard to figure out????

Why anybody who wanted to leave...
Did not leave months before the last few weeks or days...

Any dumb azz coulda figured that out....

Why in the hell would you stay?

If these are truly REAL AMERICANS ? LIKE BORN IN THE USA and went over there, in a freakin' war zone...
You knew your options, you knew the risk...
If you did not ?
You are a stupid moron...

I always knew the risk when I went overseas ..
I had many return options...and I always used them when the sheet hit the fan...

I'm sorry, but if these are Afghan who helped america?
Then BIDEN is a real douche bag and a liar who said he would help them and they are getting screwed...

If they are real American citizens??? They knew the risks and they are just stupid idjits...

Not really seeing why on earth they stayed???
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Speyside2 wrote:
Whistle, we never belonged there. One hand was always tied behind our back. We should have turned Taliban territory into a sheet of glass. Starting with Korea we never fight to win. Starting with Vietnam we lose. To many American soldiers have died for what? When it comes time to get American soldiers out that is what I GAF about. Keeping American soldiers out of pointless wars is what I GAF about. Is it callous to want to save Americans first, second, and last?

I mean this, how many of our best have died where there never was a plan to win. Let the George Pattons and the Stormin Norman's make plans to win. Keep the politicians the hell out of war, unless of course we send them all to the front line.


I agree with this. I'd add MacArthur to the list too. Both for his military achievements and the extraordinary (in my opinion) way he handled the post WWII occupation and rebuilding of Japan to get it back on it's feet.

NINE!
Speyside2 Offline
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No it doesn't Z, I chose for American soldiers not to die. Life is about choices. How many American soldiers died, when in the end we accomplished nothing? How many more deaths of American soldiers is an acceptable number? For me that number is 0.
ZRX1200 Offline
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That’s great.

Ask a soldier if they want to abandon people who helped them who will now die because of that help.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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A ham sandwich walks into a bar and orders a beer. The bartender says, "Sorry, we don't serve food here."
frankj1 Offline
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someone got a joke book in their stocking
Sunoverbeach Offline
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Just doing my part to bring the joy, sir. Or groans. Groans are fine too
Whistlebritches Offline
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Speyside2 wrote:
Whistle, we never belonged there. One hand was always tied behind our back. We should have turned Taliban territory into a sheet of glass. Starting with Korea we never fight to win. Starting with Vietnam we lose. To many American soldiers have died for what? When it comes time to get American soldiers out that is what I GAF about. Keeping American soldiers out of pointless wars is what I GAF about. Is it callous to want to save Americans first, second, and last?

I mean this, how many of our best have died where there never was a plan to win. Let the George Pattons and the Stormin Norman's make plans to win. Keep the politicians the hell out of war, unless of course we send them all to the front line.



While I agree on most parts of your first paragraph............ You miss my point entirely,most Americans left behind were there in a war effort capacity,they weren't tourist on vacation.I took an oath as did all those troops pulled out of Afghanistan,I and I am betting most of the ground forces removed did not want to just walk away from one:85 billion$$$ worth of American property and.........Two:more importantly American civilians stranded in various parts of the country.Even though I blame this on Biden and his three ring circus,I wouldn't want this on my conscious.Even though orders were followed...........this has to grind on those young men

Part two: You have my full support
RayR Offline
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Whistlebritches wrote:
While I agree on most parts of your first paragraph............ You miss my point entirely,most Americans left behind were there in a war effort capacity,they weren't tourist on vacation.I took an oath as did all those troops pulled out of Afghanistan,I and I am betting most of the ground forces removed did not want to just walk away from one:8 billion$$$ worth of American property and.........Two:more importantly American civilians stranded in various parts of the country.Even though I blame this on Biden and his three ring circus,I wouldn't want this on my conscious.Even though orders were followed...........this has to grind on those young men

Part two: You have my full support


Spey was in one of his mass murder moods when he said, "We should have turned Taliban territory into a sheet of glass."
He should never be in charge of the empire's nuke codes. Scared

Correction WB: It was $85billion they say, which is probably light anyway. When the U.S. funds their enemy's own ambitions they go big.
Mr. Jones Offline
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Yes you all forget the great accomplishments in IRAQ...

#1. WE KILLED SADAM HUSSEIN
#2. WE KILLED ALL HIS SONS
#3. WE TURNED A DICTATORship inTo a DeMoCrAcy
#4. We are still getting paid back in OIL AND OIL SALES PROFITS LIKE CHENEY and BOOOSH SAID WOULD HAPPEN
#5. THE ARAB STREET WILL LOVE AMERICA AND THANK US FOR SAVING IRAQ.

WELL 2 OUT OF FIVE AIN'T BAD....😁😁
Whistlebritches Offline
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RayR wrote:


Correction WB: It was $85billion they say, which is probably light anyway. When the U.S. funds their enemy's own ambitions they go big.



Fixed..........if anything I try to be accurate in my rants
Mr. Jones Offline
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$85 billion is false....

The true # is more likely near $27 BILLION...
AS MORE THAN A DOZEN FACT CHECKING SITES HAVE RESEARCHED AND COME TO AGREEMENT ON...

BUT STILL...$27 BILLION IN USABLE MILITARY EQUIPMENT IS AN AWESOME HEADSTART for a bunch of
Troglodyte medieval towel headed murderers on steroids...

Joe Stranosa Biden really slipped a major COG on that Afghanistan withdrawal...he failed miserably beyond all expectations of a stable well planned withdrawal...
It was a complete and utter IMMEASURABLE CLUSTERF*CK
bgz Offline
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I disagree Jones... it was measurable. $27 Billion... and what ever it cost to fly the troops and what ever could fit home.
bgz Offline
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Think about it like this... it only cost us $27 billion to give them the toys to blow each other up with!
Mr. Jones Offline
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bgz...
I thought you were my new "YES MAN"
AND AGREED WITH MEEEEE "ALL THE TIME" !!!!

BWUHAHAHAHAHA!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍Y.E.S. meng
bgz Offline
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Lol... Jones, you're the greatest.
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