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The Marxists got their own holiday display at a state Capitol
frankj1 Offline
#101 Posted:
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borndead1 wrote:
RayR, why do you hate freedom of religion, and gays, and blacks, and women?


as long as you're askin'...

bgz Offline
#102 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
So I take it you do not want to discuss quantum gravity approaching sigularities? Sigh, I wanted to discuss the possibility the quantum gravity could cease to exist at a point equidistant between 2 singularities.


If quantum gravity is a thing, then I would strongly disagree with that.
rfenst Offline
#103 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
So I take it you do not want to discuss quantum gravity approaching sigularities? Sigh, I wanted to discuss the possibility the quantum gravity could cease to exist at a point equidistant between 2 singularities.

Geometrically, is that kind of like the definition of a line being the distance between two points?
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#104 Posted:
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Yes, also an impossible situation before a object reached that point it would have been destroyed by the singularities. But at that point?
Sunoverbeach Offline
#105 Posted:
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I'm thinking about removing my spine. I feel like it's only holding me back
bgz Offline
#106 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
Yes, also an impossible situation before a object reached that point it would have been destroyed by the singularities. But at that point?


Define what you mean by being trapped between two singularities.

Define what you mean by an object is trapped between.

Explain why quantum gravity would cease to exist in such a violent display of gravity (while you're at it, would you mind explaining quantum gravity?).

I'm assuming you mean before two black holes collide as was detected by LIGO.

I'm looking for a word... Brewha told it to me one time, I don't remember it though.
Speyside2 Offline
#107 Posted:
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Quantum gravity (QG) is a field of theoretical physics that seeks to describe gravity according to the principles of quantum mechanics, and where quantum effects cannot be ignored,[1] such as in the vicinity of black holes or similar compact astrophysical objects, and where the effects of gravity are strong, such as neutron stars.

As good of a definition as any. I was laughing with HD. The intriguing aspect to me is as 2 singularities draw near, yet have not merged, what is happening at points on their respective event horizons that are closest to the other singularity?

The unknowns of physics are fascinating to me. Obviously I know little to nothing of physics.
Speyside2 Offline
#108 Posted:
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So this would be the point in time just before black holes collide. Also what time does here is darned interesting. Going to a Trekkie term, the space time continuem is something I would have loved to study.
Dg west deptford Offline
#109 Posted:
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Strong interaction is perfectly understood in principle, but physicists have yet to solve the equations that describe it

Solving the equation involves figuring out the relationship between a lattice of points of space & time. The idea is to calculate the effects of the interactions between these points. But the force is so strong that the equation has proved unsolvable.

Cern should've just asked me.
But they're too busy bowing before lord Shiva
Speyside2 Offline
#110 Posted:
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Robert, yes.
bgz Offline
#111 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
Quantum gravity (QG) is a field of theoretical physics that seeks to describe gravity according to the principles of quantum mechanics, and where quantum effects cannot be ignored,[1] such as in the vicinity of black holes or similar compact astrophysical objects, and where the effects of gravity are strong, such as neutron stars.

As good of a definition as any. I was laughing with HD. The intriguing aspect to me is as 2 singularities draw near, yet have not merged, what is happening at points on their respective event horizons that are closest to the other singularity?

The unknowns of physics are fascinating to me. Obviously I know little to nothing of physics.


Which version of quantum gravity are you saying would no longer apply just prior to the collision of 2 black holes?
RayR Offline
#112 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Which version of quantum gravity are you saying would no longer apply just prior to the collision of 2 black holes?


Ask your Goddess of Chaos and Discord, Eris, she'll know.
Speyside2 Offline
#113 Posted:
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Ah, when I made that statement I was laughing with HD, so it was just for laughs. Obviously there would be no change in quantum gravity, but what would be happening to that object. Think Einstein not Copenhagen. Then don't be linear, dead and alive, dead or alive is to limiting, maybe we have a new radioactive species so to speak. Again, I'm fascinated by what time is at that specific instant. Oh, just for giggles throw in infinite quantum waves.
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#114 Posted:
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Hey BGZ, did you notice we are talking about cosmic events and Ray Ray is still talking about Pagan Gods? That counts for something, what I do not know or care. Ray Ray for dogma catcher, 2022!!
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#115 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
So I take it you do not want to discuss quantum gravity approaching sigularities? Sigh, I wanted to discuss the possibility the quantum gravity could cease to exist at a point equidistant between 2 singularities.

I don’t buy the whole graviton idea. I think Einstein was right that gravity is not a force but only the effect of curved timespace.

While some look for a particle to mediate gravity, I think the answer is clear.
Brewha Offline
#116 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
So this would be the point in time just before black holes collide. Also what time does here is darned interesting. Going to a Trekkie term, the space time continuem is something I would have loved to study.

I reckon that you would still have the standard 5 Lagrange points until the gravity fields start to unify.

Again, I think the search for a particle that mediates gravity is a ghost chase.
bgz Offline
#117 Posted:
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I saw a lecture recently from a couple years ago at Stanford where they are trying to show that gravity emerges from entanglement. They were able to derive relativity from their equations.

I really like that idea.
Brewha Offline
#118 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
Hey BGZ, did you notice we are talking about cosmic events and Ray Ray is still talking about Pagan Gods? That counts for something, what I do not know or care. Ray Ray for dogma catcher, 2022!!

he has my vote!
rfenst Offline
#119 Posted:
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I have zero idea what you guys are talking about and don't even want it explained.
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#120 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
I have zero idea what you guys are talking about and don't even want it explained.

Ray Ray be Cray Cray, ok?
Brewha Offline
#121 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
I saw a lecture recently from a couple years ago at Stanford where they are trying to show that gravity emerges from entanglement. They were able to derive relativity from their equations.

I really like that idea.

Ok, that’s interesting.

Einstein could be full on wrong in the may Newton was. Entanglement takes a full paradigm shift to make sense. I love it!
bgz Offline
#122 Posted:
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Yeah, I didn't understand all of it, but I got the meat of it.

Here's the lecture

https://sitp.stanford.edu/events/applied-physicsphysics-colloquia/gravity-and-entanglement
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Celebrating the ‘Great Night of Shiva’ in Kathmandu

Every year, thousands of celebrants gather at a temple complex in Nepal’s capital in honor of Shiva, one of Hinduism’s most revered gods.

NYT

It was the night before a new moon, and a rotating palette of color, reflecting off the buildings, floated like a halo in the mist. Silhouettes of cows dotted my periphery, accompanied by the gentle rustle of their grazing on the riverbank.

As I approached the center of the complex, the crowds pressed closer together, filling every inch of the paths and ghats, a term for stairways in the Indian subcontinent, lining the sacred Bagmati River. Those who weren’t huddled under umbrellas or shielded by plastic bags seemed content enough to stick it out in the rain.

I had visited this Hindu temple before — Pashupatinath, on the outskirts of Kathmandu, the capital of Nepal — but only in the broad daylight, and never among so many people.

The scents of burning wood, marijuana and incense filled the air — as did the spiced smoke of corpses being cremated on the far side of the river. Rhythmic claps and chimes bounced around the temple walls, in tandem with the evening prayer playing over the loudspeaker.

I was experiencing the sensory abundance of Maha Shivaratri, the Great Night of Shiva.

Every year, thousands of celebrants gather at Pashupatinath in honor of Shiva, one of Hinduism’s three most revered gods. The festival commemorates the wedding night of Shiva and Parvati, a Hindu goddess. According to the Linga Purana, a sacred Hindu text, it also marks the day that Shiva took the form of the lingam, an object — often viewed in the West as a phallic symbol — that is typically found in temples and that represents the god’s infinite existence.

Maha Shivaratri is held each year in honor of Shiva, the Hindu god of destruction.

Attendees of Maha Shivaratri mark the holy festival with a range of prayers and rituals. Devotees begin bathing in the river at sunrise, and descend the ghats throughout the day to be cleansed. A puja, or worship ritual, is performed every three hours on the Shiva lingam by bathing it with water, milk and honey alongside offerings of fruit, sandalwood paste and incense. “Om Namah Shivaya,” the sacred mantra of Shiva, echoes through the temple complex to invoke the inner consciousness and invite clarity and prosperity. Practicing Hindus enter the main temple, which is lined with shoes that visitors have removed, to be blessed by the temple priests. Some participants observe a fast, while others aim to stay awake all through the night.

As a holy offering to Shiva, Sadhus — Hindu holy men who wear saffron-colored clothing (or, occasionally, none at all) — smoke marijuana out of chillums, or traditional clay pipes, sharing with those around them.

When I attended the festival, in February 2020, a participant dressed as Kali, the Hindu mother goddess often depicted with wild hair and a necklace of skulls, walked around the temple grounds with an outstretched tongue, bulging eyes and four arms. She brushed passers-by with a bundle of peacock feathers, inviting them to place monetary offerings onto her platter.

But as is often the case with festivals that attract visitors from around the world, there were also people who came purely for the spectacle, or to enjoy time with family and friends in a magnificent — even mystical — setting.

Looking back on these photographs, as the world is still grappling with the coronavirus pandemic, I find that the visual splendor is less striking than the sight of the crowds in such proximity.

Maha Shivaratri would be the last large-scale event that I — and surely thousands of the other participants — would attend before the virus’s spread around the globe.

But at the time, proximity wasn’t yet a concern. Many of us bumped and nudged our ways through the dense crowds. Strangers seated together in a small temple, we sat shoulder to shoulder, passed around a shared chillum and thoughtlessly shared the air.

Pashupatinath is regularly used as a cremation site, but the day of Maha Shivaratri is a particularly auspicious time for Hindus to pass on to the next life.

Earlier in the evening, families had dipped the toes and washed the bodies of their deceased loved ones — dressed in orange and marigold — with the holy water of the Bagmati River.

Now, as I left the temple, the air turning brisk as the collective heat of all the close bodies gave way to the cool air, I caught sight of five lit pyres, their orange flames set against the dark night sky.
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#124 Posted:
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Do not learn the way of the nations,

And do not be terrified by the signs of the heavens

Although the nations are terrified by them;

 For the customs of the peoples are delusion;

Because it is wood cut from the forest,

The work of the hands of a craftsman with a cutting tool.

“They decorate it with silver and with gold;

They fasten it with nails and with hammers

So that it will not totter.

“Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field are they,

And they cannot speak;

They must be carried,

Because they cannot walk!

Do not fear them,

For they can do no harm,

Nor can they do any good.”

 There is none like You, O LORD;

You are great, and great is Your name in might.

Who would not fear You, O King of the nations?

Indeed it is Your due!

For among all the wise men of the nations

And in all their kingdoms,

There is none like You.

 But they are altogether stupid and foolish

In their discipline of delusion—their idol is wood!



You can celebrate Shiva with the fools at NYT & Cern, or celebrate the true & living God with Abraham, Isaac & Jacob.

Problematic for communism, Marxism & leftist liberalism though



Sunoverbeach Offline
#125 Posted:
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Local man killed by falling piano. It was a low key funeral
Brewha Offline
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Do not learn the way of the nations,

And do not be terrified by the signs of the heavens

Although the nations are terrified by them;

 For the customs of the peoples are delusion;

Because it is wood cut from the forest,

The work of the hands of a craftsman with a cutting tool.

“They decorate it with silver and with gold;

They fasten it with nails and with hammers

So that it will not totter.

“Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field are they,

And they cannot speak;

They must be carried,

Because they cannot walk!

Do not fear them,

For they can do no harm,

Nor can they do any good.”

 There is none like You, O LORD;

You are great, and great is Your name in might.

Who would not fear You, O King of the nations?

Indeed it is Your due!

For among all the wise men of the nations

And in all their kingdoms,

There is none like You.

 But they are altogether stupid and foolish

In their discipline of delusion—their idol is wood!



You can celebrate Shiva with the fools at NYT & Cern, or celebrate the true & living God with Abraham, Isaac & Jacob.

Problematic for communism, Marxism & leftist liberalism though





Dude,

Are you like killing a goat or something now?
Dg west deptford Offline
#127 Posted:
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Dude,

“SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED,

BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME;



Abraham said, “God will provide Himself the lamb for the burnt offering, my son.”


The dude abides.






bgz Offline
#128 Posted:
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Not a big fan of lamb, can we kill a cow instead?
rfenst Offline
#129 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Not a big fan of lamb, can we kill a cow instead?

What cuts of lamb have you had?
bgz Offline
#130 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
What cuts of lamb have you had?


Tried several at Brazilian Steak houses. I think leg of lamb was the one that made me say... uh, I think I just don't like lamb.
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