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Supreme Court Blocks Biden Vaccine Rules for Large Employers...
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Justices allow Covid-19 vaccine mandate for healthcare workers whose facilities participate in Medicare and Medicaid

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WASHINGTON—The Supreme Court on Thursday blocked the Biden administration’s Covid-19 vaccine-or-testing rules for large private employers, upending the government’s most aggressive effort to combat the pandemic via the workplace.

The high court, however, did give the administration more latitude in the healthcare industry, allowing it to impose a vaccine mandate for more than 10 million healthcare workers whose facilities participate in Medicare and Medicaid, a holding that leaves one part of the president’s Covid-19 playbook in place.

The private-employer requirements, for businesses with 100 or more employees, would have applied to an estimated 84 million workers. The court’s conservative majority, in an unsigned opinion, said the Biden administration likely didn’t have the unilateral power to impose a mandate that employers ensure their workers were vaccinated or tested every week for Covid-19. Three liberal justices dissented.

President Biden in a written statement said the high court’s decision to allow the healthcare vaccine mandate “will save lives,” but he expressed disappointment that the court blocked “common-sense life-saving requirements for employees at large businesses that were grounded squarely in both science and the law.”

The court’s decision on the requirements for large employers was a relief for some businesses, especially those that have said imposing a mandate would make it harder for them to compete for and keep workers. Other businesses already have adopted mandates for their workers on their own or because of local rules, for example in New York City.

Thursday’s ruling in favor of employers reflected the Supreme Court majority’s skepticism of federal regulatory power exercised without specific and explicit congressional authorization. Conservative justices, much as they did when they lifted the federal eviction moratorium last year, said the Biden administration couldn’t combat the coronavirus pandemic by asserting emergency health-and-safety powers Congress approved under different conditions decades ago.

The Occupational Safety and Health Administration issued the private-employer rules in November. Several parts of the regulations, including a requirement for mask-wearing in the workplace by unvaccinated individuals, were set to take effect this week, though the testing requirements weren’t scheduled to be enforced until next month.

The majority’s unsigned opinion said the vaccinate-or-test rule appeared to well exceed the authority Congress granted OSHA when it established the agency in 1970.

“The Act empowers the Secretary [of labor] to set workplace safety standards, not broad public health measures,” the court said. But while Covid-19 is transmitted in the workplace, it also spreads “at home, in schools, during sporting events, and everywhere else that people gather. That kind of universal risk is no different from the day-to-day dangers that all face from crime, air pollution, or any number of communicable diseases,” the court said, and like those other hazards is beyond OSHA’s power to address.

The court added, however, that the agency retains power to act in workplaces especially susceptible to the contagion, such as those with “particularly crowded or cramped environments” or where researchers deal with infectious agents.

In a joint opinion, dissenting Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan said the pandemic was precisely the kind of emergency Congress intended OSHA to mitigate.

“If OSHA’s Standard is far-reaching—applying to many millions of American workers—it no more than reflects the scope of the crisis,” they wrote. The virus spreads most easily “in the shared indoor spaces that are the hallmark of American working life,” they wrote. “The proof is all around us: Since the disease’s onset, most Americans have seen their workplaces transformed.”

The dissenters called it perverse to prevent OSHA from addressing a workplace hazard simply because the danger also exists off the job.

In allowing the vaccine mandate for healthcare workers, conservatives Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Brett Kavanaugh joined the three liberals to form a 5-4 majority, allowing that requirement to take effect nationwide.

That mandate, which doesn’t include a testing alternative, was issued by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which said facilities that accept money from those programs must comply. Because of conflicting lower court rulings, that mandate had been in effect in only half of the states.

The high court, again in an unsigned opinion, said the secretary of health and human services held broad authority to ensure that the healthcare providers who care for Medicare and Medicaid patients protect their patients’ health and safety.

“COVID–19 is a highly contagious, dangerous, and—especially for Medicare and Medicaid patients—deadly disease,” the majority wrote, noting that healthcare workers and public-health organizations overwhelmingly supported the mandate.

“Indeed, their support suggests that a vaccination requirement under these circumstances is a straightforward and predictable example of the health and safety regulations that Congress has authorized the Secretary to impose,” the court said.

Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Amy Coney Barrett dissented. Justice Thomas, writing for that bloc, said the Biden administration hadn’t made a strong showing that the “hodgepodge of provisions” it relied upon gave it legal support for a national vaccine requirement.

In a second dissent, Justice Alito said that even if the administration had the power to require vaccinations for healthcare workers, this mandate had legal problems because the government didn’t seek public comment before putting “more than 10 million healthcare workers to the choice of their jobs or an irreversible medical treatment.”

In his statement after the ruling Mr. Biden said: “It is now up to states and individual employers to determine whether to make their workplaces as safe as possible for employees,” calling on “business leaders to immediately join those who have already stepped up—including one-third of Fortune 100 companies—and institute vaccination requirements to protect their workers, customers, and communities.”

“Employers are responsible for the safety of their workers on the job,” said Labor Secretary Marty Walsh. “OSHA will be evaluating all options to ensure workers are protected from this deadly virus.”

“Today’s ruling protects our individual rights and states’ rights to pursue the solutions that work best for their citizens,” said Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost, who led a coalition of Republican-leaning states that challenged the OSHA rule.

“As small businesses try to recover after almost two years of significant business disruptions, the last thing they need is a mandate that would cause more business challenges,” said Karen Harned, who heads the litigation arm of the National Association of Independent Business, an advocacy group that brought the companion case.

The court’s actions come as Covid-19 has been spreading at record rates in the U.S. Republican-led states and business groups sued to block the federal requirements, arguing the Biden administration was engaged in unlawful overreach that wasn’t rendered permissible by the public-health crisis.

The court has been more accepting of Covid-19 mitigation measures adopted at the state and local levels, including mandates requiring healthcare workers and college students to be vaccinated.

In a concurring opinion, Justice Gorsuch said that Covid-19 presents “challenges for every American.” But a greater danger was permitting the federal government to exceed its authority, he wrote, joined by Justices Thomas and Alito.

“State and local authorities possess considerable power to regulate public health,” he wrote, but federal powers are “limited and divided.” Unless the court enforced those boundaries, he wrote, “emergencies would never end and the liberties our Constitution’s separation of powers seeks to preserve would amount to little.”
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Still wrong...
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MACS wrote:
Still wrong...

Why?
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I visited my new friend in his apartment and he told me to make myself at home. So I threw him out. I hate having visitors
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rfenst wrote:
Why?


Scratching my head on that one too.
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rfenst wrote:
Why?


It's a government mandate. It should be a personal decision.

We respect our doctors, nurses and healthcare workers, right? So the ones who are refusing the shot are not as smart or informed as the ones who take it?

Danm is a respected member of the forum. He reports what he sees at his hospital, and I can respect it. It's one hospital in a country of thousands of them.

To form an opinion based on the data from one person's experience in one hospital is nuts.
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just locally here, there have been over 300 hospital staff fired for not complying with jab mandates.
Then predictably there's all the whining that they are overrun and understaffed and they got to cut out elective surgeries and stuff.

It's pretty bad that private entities that have to take gubment money have a gun held to their head and told what to do or else by politicians and bureaucrats.
If a private entity wants to make self-destructive decisions, they can do it themselves without the likes of Biden or OSHA.
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Two seperate cases.

Pretty much the only thing in SCOTUS' Opinion about healthcare workers is that: 1) the Secretary of Health and Human services has "broad authority" to ensure that the healthcare providers who care for Medicare and Medicaid patients protect their patients’ health and safety; and that the reason is that 2) "COVID–19 is a highly contagious, dangerous, and—especially for Medicare and Medicaid patients—deadly disease".

In the other opinion SCOTUS said Osha doesn't have the same authority in the work place.
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The central planning agency OSHA isn't even constitutional. They have no business existing, let alone barking orders at anyone.
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How is taking a shot that A) doesn't prevent one from getting the virus and B) doesn't prevent one from spreading the virus protecting the patients from anything??

Science, right? They're just as likely to get it from someone who has had the shot as someone who has not.
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^ yup

Our corporate overlords have gotten upset by the numbers of employees missing work due to the Chinese bat flu AIDS. So they threw a tissy that we stopped filling out a temperature log with a y/n do you have symptoms box. Apparently theoretical tracking people who aren’t showing symptoms is gonna fix everything. Has nothing to dye with the 80 hours emergency pay they gave everyone in case.
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Ray, what specifically are you referencing in the constitution and or amendments when you say OSHA is unconstitutional? I am curious, no more no less.
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Ray, what specifically are you referencing in the constitution and or amendments when you say OSHA is unconstitutional? I am curious, no more no less.


I thought you were a minarchist now? Glare
Where in the constitution is there an enumerated power for congress to create a regulatory agency to dicktate occupation safety standards to the various states? There is however nothing to prevent the individual states from doing that per the 10th Amendment as long as it doesn't violate their own constitution and laws.
But then the progressive legal weasels will use one of their favorite tricks to expand federal power beyond constitutional limits by claiming that Congress has that power by combining the Commerce Clause with the Necessary and Proper Clause of the constitution.
The enumerated powers of the general government are kind of meaningless if they can just claim that anything they want to do is Necessary and Proper for them to carry out their enumerated powers, right? The sky's the limit!

Once these monster agencies are born of the swamp, they become a tool for dicktators like Biden. Somehow he thinks he can use them to do an end-run and delegate to the agencies the power to make up laws and enforce his “unconstitutional dictums if he can get away with it.

Rep. Thomas Massie nailed back in the fall, saying that Biden's employer VAX mandate was “unconstitutional”.
“OSHA has no more authority to enforce this (there’s no statutory authorization) than CDC had to issue the eviction moratorium. Which is to say they both have ZERO authority to do these things. Congress makes the laws in a constitutional republic.”

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Give a man a match and he'll be warm for a few hours. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life
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Do you want to hear a construction joke?

Sorry, I’m still working on it.
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ThumpUp
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I made up a good joke and wrote it down. Unfortunately I lost it. Note to self, stop using invisible ink.
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Look at you go
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According to a reliable inside source at my company, about 80 percent of our workforce (so far) have applied for exemptions. Apparently the company has even agreed to pay for weekly testing for all non vaxxed employees. One of my coworkers' wife is a nurse at the local small town (small for CA) hospital. Due to a potential loss of a large percentage of staff (nurses AND doctors), the hospital has quietly started approving religious exemptions for anyone who submits one.
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Branch Davidians still a thing?
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Short and Sweet analysis for you authoritarians

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly on the Supreme Court Vaccine Mandate Opinion

January 14, 2022

By Michael Boldin

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GOOD: Supreme Court holds vaccine mandate for businesses is illegal. (We absolutely gotta take a win when we get it!)

“Although Congress has indisputably given OSHA the power to regulate occupational dangers, it has not given that agency the power to regulate public health more broadly. Requiring the vaccination of 84 million Americans, selected simply because they work for employers with more than 100 employees, certainly falls in the latter category,” the unsigned opinion says.

BAD: The opinion absolutely leaves room for another mandate, tailored differently.

UGLY: The Court believes the feds had the power to pass the OSH Act in the first place – and get deeply involved in healthcare today.

It’s important to understand that the Supreme Court opinion today is largely based on the argument that Congress didn’t expressly authorize a vaccine mandate in the OSH Act of 1970.

So, if Congress does just that, we can count on SCOTUS to back up their power as they usually do.

But, under the Constitution, the OSH Act of 1970 was unconstitutional from day one.

Whether Congress gets around to expanding their own power this year, or in 50 years, we shouldn’t be surprised about it – unless the people reject the foundation of it all.

That includes – no longer waiting for the federal government to limit its own power.

It’s up to the people to preserve their own Constitution.

https://www.activistpost.com/2022/01/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-on-the-supreme-court-vaccine-mandate-opinion.html
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Michael Boldin is an ideologue who has spent years promoting the idea that states can “nullify” federal legislation they don’t like — the very same argument pushed by defenders of slavery and segregation, and just as baseless now as it was then.

Sourced from SPLC
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Ray since you are a tenther and often use other tenthers to support your POV, I assume you are in full support of sanctuary cities. If not, you would be a hypocrite.
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Speyside2 wrote:
Michael Boldin is an ideologue who has spent years promoting the idea that states can “nullify” federal legislation they don’t like — the very same argument pushed by defenders of slavery and segregation, and just as baseless now as it was then.

Sourced from SPLC


So now it comes out, you're on the side of the SPLC commie grifter racist hatemongers regurgitating their propaganda.
And you pretend to be a limited government minarchist? Frying pan

Let's back up a moment and sort out your franked-up Leftist/Neocon/Straussian interpretation of history with real history.

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In 1798, Jefferson and Madison articulated the concepts of nullification and interposition in the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, which were passed in response to the hated Alien and Sedition Acts. But the ideas which support nullification and interposition were actually expressed earlier during the ratifying convention of Virginia by the Federalists themselves!

Given the fact, however, that most Americans cannot even correctly name all three branches of our federal government, it’s probably a safe bet that they have never heard of the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions or the fact that nullification was used to assist runaway slaves.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2010/02/derek-sheriff/the-untold-history-of-nullification-resistingslavery/


The definitive book about the history of nullification including its use in modern times is Nullification: How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century by Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

The late great Walter E. Williams, John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics at George Mason University (he's black you know and probably a defender of slavery and segregation according to you and SPLC) wrote this blurb for the book "

“Thomas Jefferson said, ‘Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force.’ It turns out that at least two thirds of congressional spending is absent of any constitutional authority. That means that at the very least, it is going to take the vigorous use of nullification to restore the American republic. Anyone in the Tea Party movement or elsewhere who really wants to limit government ought to start with this highly readable and informative book.”

Read the original article and related links at TomWoods.com. http://tomwoods.com/book/nullification/

Since you are supposed to be a limited government guy, as far as Michael Boldin is concerned you might want to actually look at the Tenth Amendment Center instead of skimming commie websites like the SPLC. Michael is a real limited government guy.

https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/






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Whatever tenther. Yawn.
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Why not address that the very same arguments were used by defenders of slavery and segregationists? Oh wait, you shouldn't because that is the truth.
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Why not address that the very same arguments were used by defenders of slavery and segregationists? Oh wait, you shouldn't because that is the truth.


You didn't read Derek Sheriff's article at LRC did you? Of course not, otherwise, you wouldn't be asking me that question. LOL Frying pan

All big government nationalists hate the 10th Amendment.
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I have a stepladder because my real ladder left when I was 5
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This morning I saw a neighbor talking to her cat. It was obvious she thought her cat understood her. I came into my house, told my dog — we laughed a lot.
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So your good on owning slaves. Good to know.
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Speyside2 wrote:
So your good on owning slaves. Good to know.


Oh ya...great comeback Spey. Glare That's as lame and immature as "you are a tenther". Laugh Shame on you

Just admit it, yer done like a dinner. You've been Fried! Cooked! 🍳🥓

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And you are delusional to boot Ray10
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I will admit, your brain seems nonfunctional.
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Speyside2 wrote:
I will admit, your brain seems nonfunctional.


Keep the lame comebacks coming Spey.

I'm not so out of touch that I would source my information from the Southern Poverty Law Center. I know you probably think they have something to do with helping Southern poor black peeps with the law or something.Laugh

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Steve Sailer
Monday, April 23, 2018

White Privilege at the Southern Poverty Law Center . One of the weirder aspects of the SPLC has long been its adamant refusal to hire blacks and pay them a lot of money. The SPLC’s new tax form lists its 11 highest paid employees: they are still all white.

https://nalert.blogspot.com/2018/04/white-privilege-at-southern-poverty-law.html


Soviet Poverty Lie Center Fires its Founder

Thomas DiLorenzo
March 14, 2019

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That would be Morris Dees, whose bio was even wiped clean from the SPLC’s Web site. It’s all mysterious so far, but things like this are usually eventually explained by somebody who is good at “following the money.”

The SPLC is one of the many professional propaganda arms of the Democrat Party whose job is to smear critics of the Party of Leftism and Marxism as “haters,” or worse. That of course is 100% illegal for a “nonprofit” 501 (C)(3) organization like the SPLC which is tax exempt because of that designation. It was also reported this week that the SPLC has more than a half a billion dollars in assets that it is sitting on, including at least $120 million in offshore investments. Non-profit?! You can apparently make a good living in low-cost-of-living Montgomery, Alabama as a “nonprofit” poverty pimp with a cushy office at what the locals call the “poverty palace.” (I wonder how much poverty could be reduced with all that money).

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/soviet-poverty-lie-center-fires-its-founder/


Happy Anniversary, SPLC Hate Factory!
Christopher Manion
August 15, 2017

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Five years ago today domestic terrorist Floyd Lee Corkins II entered the HQ of the Family Research Council in Washington, D.C. He planned to kill all fifteen FRC employees, he said, “because the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) identified them as a “hate group” due to their traditional marriage views.”

Corkins also intended to stuff Chik-Fil-a sandwiches into the mouths of his dead victims. His attack was thwarted when he was tackled by security guard Leo Johnson – after Corkins had shot him!

“While Corkins was responsible for the shooting, he had been given a license to perpetrate this act of violence by groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center which has systematically and recklessly labeled every organization with which they disagree as a ‘hate group,'” said FRC President Tony Perkins.

Sure enough, the SPLC also inspired the first terrorist attack in the United States under President Trump, when terrorist James T. Hodgkinson, 66, opened fire on Republican members of Congress on an Alexandria, Virginia baseball field. Like Corkins, Hodgkinson was also a fan of the abundantly-funded “poverty center” that has some $250 million in the bank.

Apparently, the SPCL haters aren’t spending that dough to end poverty: they’re using it to spread hate.

[note: FRC officials gratefully note that their historic escape from a mass murderer occurred on the Feast of the Assumption, a major Marian feast in the Catholic Church].

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/happy-anniversary-splc-hate-factory/


EXCLUSIVE: YouTube Secretly Using SPLC To Police Videos
By Peter Hasson
The Daily Caller

March 1, 2018

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The Southern Poverty Law Center is assisting YouTube in policing content on their platform, The Daily Caller has learned.

The left-wing nonprofit — which has more recently come under fire for labeling legitimate conservative organizations as “hate groups” — is one of the more than 100 nongovernment organizations (NGOs) and government agencies in YouTube’s “Trusted Flaggers” program, a source with knowledge of the arrangement told TheDC.

The SPLC and other program members help police YouTube for extremist content, ranging from so-called hate speech to terrorist recruiting videos.

All of the groups in the program have confidentiality agreements, a spokesperson for Google, YouTube’s parent company, previously told TheDC. A handful of YouTube’s “Trusted Flaggers,” including the Anti-Defamation League and No Hate Speech — a European organization focused on combatting intolerance — have gone public with their participation in the program. The vast majority of the groups in the program have remained hidden behind their confidentiality agreements.

The SPLC’s close involvement in policing content on YouTube is likely to cause consternation among conservatives who worry that they may not be treated fairly. The left-wing group has consistently labeled pedestrian conservative organizations as “hate groups” and has been directly tied to violence against conservatives in the past. Floyd Lee Corkins, who opened fire at the Family Research Center in 2012, said he chose the FRC for his act of violence because the SPLC listed them as a “hate group.”

It’s unclear when the SPLC joined YouTube’s “Trusted Flaggers” program. The program goes back to 2012 but exploded in size in recent years amid a Google push to increase regulation of the content on its platforms, which followed pressure from advertisers. Fifty of the 113 program members joined in 2017 as YouTube stepped up its content policing, YouTube public policy director Juniper Downs told a Senate committee in January.

Downs said the third-party groups work closely with YouTube’s employees to crack down on extremist content in two ways, both of which a Google spokesperson previously confirmed to TheDC.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/03/no_author/exclusive-youtube-secretly-using-splc-to-police-videos-photo-of-peter-hasson-peter-hasson/

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