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Interesting paragraph about Omicron.
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While that's hard to answer precisely, Townsend's team estimates that reinfection could occur somewhere between three months and five years after infection, with a median of 16 months. This is based on an analysis of data from previous antibodies to previous coronaviruses.

Sourced from NPR
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A window of 3 months to 5 years... they are really going out on a limb there. I thought this $hit was predictable and easily followed established models.... yet this is the best estimate they can come up with? Somewhere between 90 and 1,800 days.

How about instead of faking it and flying by the seat of their pants like they've been doing for 2 years, man up and say "yeah, we really don't know shuit"
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Nobody is saying they're wrong. Nobody is apologizing for the catastrophe they created. Nobody is accepting guilt.

The same people are in charge of the mess and they've done nothing but stonewall, lie and push the Big Pharma narrative.

NPR has no credibility either. They're as bad as a FB "fact checker" with taxpayer funding.
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Not my point. The massive timeline disparity listed in an NPR article makes 2 points. 1) An organization that has a massive bias to the left did this article. 2) There are so many unknowns about SARS-COVID2 that any honest discussion that is saying this is our best guess is a great discussion. I find the paragraph I posted to be refreshing in its honesty. Maybe more dialog like this would lead to more people being willing to listen and rethink their position. I mean both conservative and liberal people.
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Speyside2 wrote:
Not my point. The massive timeline disparity listed in an NPR article makes 2 points. 1) An organization that has a massive bias to the left did this article. 2) There are so many unknowns about SARS-COVID2 that any honest discussion that is saying this is our best guess is a great discussion. I find the paragraph I posted to be refreshing in its honesty. Maybe more dialog like this would lead to more people being willing to listen and rethink their position. I mean both conservative and liberal people.


This is my point. We've been feed all along that the "experts" knew what is going on: it's easily predictable and things were progressing just as predicted by the simple vanilla models. Trust the "experts" and "science." Wear you masks, fear you neighbors, get the "vaccine" and everything will be alright.

When challenged, those who dared to question or raise doubt on the "expert's" knowledge where berated, slammed, canceled, censored... In reality the "experts" really don't have a grasp on things but are unwilling to admit it and maybe rethink their position. It's OK to admit that you are wrong or don't know as much as you pretend to know. They can't so they just double down on their previous faulty assessments and continue feeding the fear factor.

Since COVID hasn't been eradicated from the face of the earth, they are pointing fingers at those that didn't get vax and blaming them for the it.

As an example all you have to do is read some of brewha's and delta's posts on the topic. They are quick to point fingers at those that don't follow the mandates as the reason why COVID has not been eradicated. Us against them is what they like to foster. $hit, back when this all started, they were in favor of throwing folks in jail for manslaughter if people didn't obey the mask mandate.
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Speyside2 wrote:
Not my point. The massive timeline disparity listed in an NPR article makes 2 points. 1) An organization that has a massive bias to the left did this article. 2) There are so many unknowns about SARS-COVID2 that any honest discussion that is saying this is our best guess is a great discussion. I find the paragraph I posted to be refreshing in its honesty. Maybe more dialog like this would lead to more people being willing to listen and rethink their position. I mean both conservative and liberal people.



Well, you posted a paragraph from an article and didn't paste the link. NPR is a notorious lefty microphone. Always has and always will.

As for the unknowns...I'm in the mindset that whatever the CDC, NIH, Fauci...etc say...DO THE OPPOSITE! They haven't been correct on ANYTHING!

As for dialog, that's not going to happen. Trust has been broken beyond repair. The face diaper drones are going to cling to Fauci and the rest believe he's a freaking hyped up Dr. Mengele on steroids. I've thought through my position. Go back and look at all of the threads. The ones where HCQ and Ivermectin could've been used...now DARPA waaaaay back in April of 2020 said it was a SARSr-CoV inhibitor! Fauci caught redhanded lying to Congress each and every time he's up there running his yapper. He was doing Gain of Function back in 2018!!! Not until people are punished for their behavior will minds ever be changed. THAT has to happen.
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OK, Bucky I misunderstood your point. DOC, I purposely did not post the link because the rest of the article was BS. Remember in the title I said an interesting paragraph. Part of what you say I agree with, part I do not. As far as the Gain Function research, I find that criminal in numerous regards. Sugar coat it any way you want, it sill is biological weapons research. We do the research with China, who will use biological weapons and is our enemy. Ivermectin does it have some value, yes, but not the most in my opinion. The horse stuff is misdirection it is also approved for humans. Personally I think we need ongoing medication study which seems to be ongoing. The Pfizer pill seems like a winner. There is reaserch going on about a Tcell vaccine, which if it will work seems like a winner.
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^VA Doc mentioned the Pfizer pill, but said my symptom onset was too long ago. I guess you have to catch it quick for the pill?

I dunno...
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I think you have to get the pill in the 1st 3 days of symptoms sor it to work, maybe 2 days, I don't quite remember.
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It’s like Covid Plan B pill!
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Speyside2 wrote:
OK, Bucky I misunderstood your point. DOC, I purposely did not post the link because the rest of the article was BS. Remember in the title I said an interesting paragraph. Part of what you say I agree with, part I do not. As far as the Gain Function research, I find that criminal in numerous regards. Sugar coat it any way you want, it sill is biological weapons research. We do the research with China, who will use biological weapons and is our enemy. Ivermectin does it have some value, yes, but not the most in my opinion. The horse stuff is misdirection it is also approved for humans. Personally I think we need ongoing medication study which seems to be ongoing. The Pfizer pill seems like a winner. There is reaserch going on about a Tcell vaccine, which if it will work seems like a winner.


NOBODY but the lefty mouthpieces endorsed ever using the ivermectin version intended for animals. Only an insane idiot would do that.

The Pfizer pill is a rebranded subtle change to the ivermectin tablets released around the world for pennies each. The drug won a Nobel Prize for a reason and Pfizer blatantly ripping it off should be all you need to know about it. You might like giving Big Pharma your money, I don't.
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BuckyB93 wrote:
A window of 3 months to 5 years... they are really going out on a limb there. I thought this $hit was predictable and easily followed established models.... yet this is the best estimate they can come up with? Somewhere between 90 and 1,800 days.

How about instead of faking it and flying by the seat of their pants like they've been doing for 2 years, man up and say "yeah, we really don't know shuit"


It took them 20 months to come up with “remember when we told you not to buy N95s and just make a face mask out of any fabric, well now we are saying buy N95s!”
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The N96's are almost in stores now!
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I'm not going to post just a paragraph of an article that pertains to this thread, nope.

I'll post the entire link for anyone wanting to read it...

https://thechicagothinker.com/editorial-uchicago-must-end-its-booster-mandate-we-are-not-lab-rats/

Herfing

Plenty of interesting paragraphs in that one.
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nearly 900,000 deaths in US alone...conservative, slow and calculated approaches by people who have studied pandemics, public health, and medicine seems wiser than listening to those without learned backgrounds....that'll be like trusting your auto mechanic, or a retired soccer player to fix your arthritically damaged knee...

the everyman for himself, do nothing and let nature take its course approach obviously failed where ever those responses were tried...those advocating that this is just the flu, it'll go away when the weather heats up, hydroxychloroquin is the cure have been proven wrong...

yet they still tell the folks who are trying to find the right, measured, and informed solutions that would help keep the vast populations of people as safe as possible that they are wrong, conniving and greedy and possibly malicious...some may be, but I tend to support those trying to learn and to help versus those pushing back just because
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delta1 wrote:
nearly 900,000 deaths in US alone...conservative, slow and calculated approaches by people who have studied pandemics, public health, and medicine seems wiser than listening to those without learned backgrounds....that'll be like trusting your auto mechanic, or a retired soccer player to fix your arthritically damaged knee...

the everyman for himself, do nothing and let nature take its course approach obviously failed where ever those responses were tried...those advocating that this is just the flu, it'll go away when the weather heats up, hydroxychloroquin is the cure have been proven wrong...

yet they still tell the folks who are trying to find the right, measured, and informed solutions that would help keep the vast populations of people as safe as possible that they are wrong, conniving and greedy and possibly malicious...some may be, but I tend to support those trying to learn and to help versus those pushing back just because



You believe those numbers?

http://www.cigarbid.com/...-right-here#post4643837

Yeah, ok. You KNOW they're wrong but you're going to push them anyways.

Oh, and...

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/darpa-covid-whistleblower-blockbuster-covid-fauci/


When they lie you believe them too.
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delta1 wrote:
nearly 900,000 deaths in US alone

I was wondering how many we were up to, seems so 2020 to have that rolling counter on every channel and people blaming the bad orange man for each and every one of them…Think
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Figured it would, but I dub this thread to have taken a hard swerve to the political, therefore:

They laughed at my crayon drawings. I laughed at their chalk outlines
MACS Offline
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Still a bit hazy on math, too... 900k divided by 370 million... less than a fraction of 1 percent. That's .0024 for those without a calculator. And that's over TWO YEARS.
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then add in hospitalizations, and those with recurring/continuing symptoms, and this is definitely a serious thing...

what other health care crises have we had that has used up more than 80% of ER hospital beds in 38 states, as is happening now. Like Whistle, who had heart surgery postponed, hospitals in those states have deferred all other medical procedures. My family members who are in the medical care profession and dealing with their third wave of covid patients in less than two years, say they have never experienced anything like this, even during the worse flu season...

and more than 12 - 1 of their patients are unvaccinated...
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delta1 wrote:

and more than 12 - 1 of their patients are unvaccinated...


This state is over 80% vaccinated. They need to get a better calibre of patients!
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^Which leads me to believe the 12-1 stat was removed directly from a rectum.
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BuckyB93 wrote:


How about instead of faking it and flying by the seat of their pants like they've been doing for 2 years, man up and say "yeah, we really don't know shuit"


Amen. Transparency and Honesty. Even a 30% serving of it would do so refreshing.

Remember, all these outlets are trying to sell clicks and get people talking about the story. Guess everyone here including me.
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JGKAMIN wrote:
I was wondering how many we were up to, seems so 2020 to have that rolling counter on every channel and people blaming the bad orange man for each and every one of them…Think


900,000 people died?

That is a month’s worth of deaths in Chicago.
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8trackdisco wrote:
900,000 people died?

That is a month’s worth of deaths in Chicago.



Poor Sledn
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dkeage wrote:
Poor Sledn


Think his burb is right on the doms now. Unless they moved. You staying in touch with him?
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delta1 wrote:
nearly 900,000 deaths in US alone...conservative, slow and calculated approaches by people who have studied pandemics, public health, and medicine seems wiser than listening to those without learned backgrounds....that'll be like trusting your auto mechanic, or a retired soccer player to fix your arthritically damaged knee...

the everyman for himself, do nothing and let nature take its course approach obviously failed where ever those responses were tried...those advocating that this is just the flu, it'll go away when the weather heats up, hydroxychloroquin is the cure have been proven wrong...

yet they still tell the folks who are trying to find the right, measured, and informed solutions that would help keep the vast populations of people as safe as possible that they are wrong, conniving and greedy and possibly malicious...some may be, but I tend to support those trying to learn and to help versus those pushing back just because


Proven wrong?
Like "2 weeks to flatten the curve"?
Like "masks don't work. Yes they do. Wear two. Mandate them."?
Like "get the vaccine and you'll be safe. As long as everyone else also gets one. And wears a mask. And social distances."
Like "vaccine antibodies are better than those from natural immunity. Wait. No they're not. Never mind."
Like "we need a booster for omicron. Take it now. It's available in March."


I think Trump's vaccine was a necessary tool at the time.
Biden has "a plan". America may have elected him because of it. Yet here we are in worse condition with hindsight and vaccine accessibility in hand.

I'm vaccinated. A decision I made with my doctor.
I find vaccine mandates deplorable.
Even in healthcare settings. Heck, ESPECIALLY in healthcare settings.
2 years ago when nobody knew what Wuhan unleashed on the world, our healthcare community risked their lives to help the world. Now we've got Fuq-tard liberals that want these heroes to lose their job if they don't take the experimental jab that apparently doesn't even protect them.

But you go on worrying that some people want to investigate hydroxygchooquin. Because that's the real issue.
smh.

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Here's my problem with any covid related info............tell me how this makes sense at all


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2020-2021/week10.htm


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2019-2020.html#:~:text=The%20overall%20burden%20of%20influenza%20%28flu%29%20for%20the,and%2020%2C000%20flu-related%20deaths%20%28%20Table%201%20%29.
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MACS wrote:
^Which leads me to believe the 12-1 stat was removed directly from a rectum.




from this rectum/article: https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/unvaccinated-covid-patients-cost-the-u-s-health-system-billions-of-dollars/



"Reports of COVID-related hospitalizations among unvaccinated people range from 95% to 99.9% by state. We used the estimate from our analysis with Epic Research that found unvaccinated people accounted for 85% of COVID-19 hospitalizations from June-September 2021. Additionally, our assumption on the share of COVID-19 hospitalizations among unvaccinated adults that were COVID-related is based on our analysis with Epic Research, which found 82% of unvaccinated patients hospitalized with COVID-19 had COVID-related complications or treatment."
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I'll never forget my grandfather's last words before he died. "Are you still holding the ladder?"
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Here's my problem with any covid related info............tell me how this makes sense at all


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2020-2021/week10.htm


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2019-2020.html#:~:text=The%20overall%20burden%20of%20influenza%20%28flu%29%20for%20the,and%2020%2C000%20flu-related%20deaths%20%28%20Table%201%20%29.

Ron, I looked at your links and they are about the flu. How does that relate to covid related info? I'm not getting it.
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I don't get it Whistle, as Robert said it is all about the flu. So what does that have to do with SARS-COVID2?
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https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/17/omicron-wave-shows-early-signs-of-easing-in-states-hit-early.html

A good article on the swift decline of Omicron when the decline starts.
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What's the difference between a baby and a sweet potato?
About 240 calories
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Speyside2 wrote:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/17/omicron-wave-shows-early-signs-of-easing-in-states-hit-early.html

A good article on the swift decline of Omicron when the decline starts.


Sounds like bad news.
For Pfizer.

Their Omicron booster won't be ready until mid March.
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tailgater wrote:
Sounds like bad news.
For Pfizer.

Their Omicron booster won't be ready until mid March.


It will still be mandated.
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tailgater wrote:
Sounds like bad news.
For Pfizer.

Their Omicron booster won't be ready until mid March.

And with shipping issues we’ll have it by June, which by then we’ll be moving on in the alphabet to some other covid strain that gets everyone into a mass hysteria.
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