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Insurrection evolved in just weeks
rfenst Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
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March on Capitol set days after Biden win, court files show

Associated Press

WILMINGTON, Del. — Two days after the election on Nov. 3, 2020, the Oath Keepers were already convinced that victory had been stolen from President Donald Trump and members of the far-right militia group were making plans to march on the U.S. Capitol.

“We aren’t getting through this without a civil war,” leader Stewart Rhodes wrote fellow members, according to court documents. “Too late for that. Prepare your mind. body. spirit.”


Four days after the vote, when news outlets declared Democrat Joe Biden the winner, the documents say Rhodes told Oath Keepers to “refuse to accept it and march en-masse on the nation’s Capitol.”

The indictment last week of Rhodes and 10 other members or associates was stunning in part because federal prosecutors, after a year of investigating the insurrection of Jan. 6, 2021, charged them with seditious conspiracy — a rarely used Civil War-era statute.

But the documents also show how quickly Trump’s most fervent and dangerous supporters mobilized to subvert the election results through force and violence, by any means necessary, even though there was no widespread election fraud and Trump’s Cabinet and local election officials said the vote had been fair.

Hundreds of people have been charged in the violent effort to stop the congressional certification of Biden’s victory.
Many were animated by Trump’s speech at a rally near the White House, just before the riot, where he said: “We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

But for Rhodes and others, there was no need for Trump’s words of encouragement.
Action was already planned.


Elmer Stewart Rhodes III, 56, founded the Oath Keepers in 2009. He and some friends decided they would form an organization around the perception of “imminent tyranny,” concerned about federal overreach and a series of unrecognized threats — like the government was planning to attack its own citizens. He recruited current and former military, police and first responders.

Rhodes, out of high school, joined the Army and became a paratrooper, but was honorably discharged after he was injured in a night parachuting accident, according to a biography on the Southern Poverty Law Center’s website on extremism. He went to night school at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. His first job in politics was supervising interns for Ron Paul, who was then a Republican congressman from Texas. Rhodes later went to Yale Law School.

Before long he had thousands of members and he was neglecting his Montana law practice to work on the group. He was disbarred in 2015. The Oath Keepers engaged in a series of confrontations with the government during Barack Obama’s presidency. The most notable was a heavily-armed standoff at Bundy Ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada.

Trump was elected in 2016. While Rhodes insisted the Oath Keepers were nonpartisan, they came to the nation’s capital in January 2017, when Trump took office, to protect peaceful “American patriots” from “radical leftists.”

When it looked like Trump was going to lose the 2020 presidential election to Biden, the Oath Keepers got to work, prosecutors said.

On Nov. 9, 2020, Rhodes instructed his followers during a GoToMeeting call to go to Washington to let Trump know “that the people are behind him,” and he expressed hope that Trump would call up the militia to help him stay in power, authorities say.

“It will be a bloody and desperate fight,” Rhodes warned. “We are going to have a fight. That can’t be avoided.”
The Oath Keepers worked as if they were going to war, discussing weapons and training. Days before the attack on the Capitol, one defendant suggested in a text message getting a boat to ferry weapons across the Potomac River to their “waiting arms,” prosecutors say.


On Dec. 14, 2020, as the electors in the states cast votes, Rhodes published a letter on the Oath Keepers’ website “advocating for the use of force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power,” according to the documents.

As that transition in Washington drew close, the Oath Keepers spoke of an arsenal they would keep just a few minutes away and grab if needed. Rhodes is accused of spending $15,500 on firearms and related equipment including a shotgun, AR-15, mounts, triggers, scopes and magazines, prosecutors said.

On the morning of Jan. 6, 2021, members turned up in combat attire and helmets. They entered the Capitol with the large crowds of rioters who stormed past police barriers and smashed windows, injuring dozens of officers and sending lawmakers running.

The indictment against Rhodes alleges Oath Keepers formed two teams, or “stacks,” that went inside. The first stack split up to go after the House and Senate. The second stack confronted officers inside the Capitol Rotunda, the indictment said.
Other cracks in the group are showing.

Before his arrest, Rhodes sought to distance himself from those who’ve been arrested, insisting the members went rogue and there was never a plan to enter the Capitol.
Stogie1020 Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 12-19-2019
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So, just to keep track (I am getting confused lately) now Trump did NOT incite an insurrection? I mean, they were planning it for weeks right?
MACS Offline
#3 Posted:
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Don't bother trying to keep track. The leftist loons can't be bothered to keep track. They just keep flinging sh*t.
Speyside2 Offline
#4 Posted:
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Stogie, I think the only take away is the Oath Keepers planned an attack and executed part of it. There is a large difference between seditious conspiracy and inciting an insurrection. At this point in time Trump has not been charged in any way relating to 1/6/21 that I am aware of. So any articles or opinions have no factual basis at this point in time. We are watching disgusting political brinksmanship from both sides that in my opinion has never previously been seen at this level. I am not just talking about 1/6/21.
HockeyDad Offline
#5 Posted:
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The crime they are being charged with is talking about committing a crime against the government and acting on it. When it came right down to it they were just more of the unarmed fools who went parading around in the Capitol building.

I’m not sure this sticks from a standpoint of did they began to implement it. If being in the Capitol building unarmed is good enough then let’s rolls with it.

This is about sending a message to the American people. Know your role and shut your hole. There may be some “law of unintended consequences” going to come into play.
Stogie1020 Offline
#6 Posted:
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^Couldn't agree with you three gentelmen more.
rfenst Offline
#7 Posted:
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You don't have to commit the criminal act that was being planned. You just need to have moved forward enough to actually pose a threat if the plans are put put into any degree of forward action. That's all conspiracy charges are all about
HockeyDad Offline
#8 Posted:
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But did they move forward enough?

They could always charge them with all the lesser charges everyone else is getting but these 11 are special.

The sentence would be stiffer. Not firing squad on national TV stiffer but it should still send the message.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#9 Posted:
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What's the last thing to go through a fly's mind when hitting a windshield?
It's azz
Burner02 Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 12-21-2010
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The Trump resistance started in less than 24 hours. So weeks are not than impressive.
RayR Offline
#11 Posted:
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I've read about those perps who committed 'thoughtcrimes' against the regime before. Ya, it was in Orwell's 1984. Think
Mr. Jones Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,359
Just weeks???

That dog don't HUNT
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