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HockeyDad Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Mar 12 2022, 7:52 PM EST
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So I went to buy ammo yesterday and I knew it would be interesting since we now background check for buying ammo. Well…I got rejected like many do. Turns out they don’t really do a background check and instead do a database check.

They check for Automated Firearms System records through the California Firearms Application Reporting System (CFARS). This is the gun registry database. The system couldn’t find me so I got rejected.

So if you’ve never bought a gun in California or registered a gun you can’t buy ammo. A resident can’t ship or carry ammo into the state because that’s illegal.

I actually am in the database. When I moved here I had to register my guns with attorney general Kamala Harris because if you bring a handgun into the state you are considered a firearms importer by law. The problem is I am in the database at my old address. It matches on name, address, state ID#, and birth date.

Now I need to create a CFAR account and enter my current information. The next step will be to try to link my existing AFS records to my CFAR and my correct address.

After that I can wait some unknown period of time and try to buy ammo again.

One of the recommendations to solve this quicker is to just go buy a new gun and sit out the waiting period.


Sensible gun laws. I am now infringed.
Whistlebritches Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Mar 12 2022, 7:56 PM EST
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Fuggin communist bastards....................the very reason I didn't look back when I left.I could not get back to Texas quick enough
Mike3316 Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Mar 12 2022, 8:08 PM EST
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Its for your own safety you know.
Mr. Jones Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Mar 12 2022, 9:40 PM EST
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#2 +1
#3 that is fuc*in funny dude...

H.D.
Pennsylvania is a dream compared to California ..
8trackdisco Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Mar 12 2022, 10:32 PM EST
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California common sense gun laws have contributed to it being the safest state in the union. That is why so many people move there from central america.
Mike3316 Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Mar 12 2022, 10:52 PM EST
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HD - why not just take a weekend and drive to Nevada (or Arizona) buy what you need and then drive home?
bgz Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Mar 12 2022, 10:57 PM EST
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Damn... have I ever said I'm not moving to California?

I'll retire in Florida instead...

Damn, you guys trying to give me nightmares.
Mike3316 Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Mar 12 2022, 11:03 PM EST
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My wife is a native Californian. We even lived there for a couple of years back in the lata 80's. And - my son lived there for a couple years as well - until he moved to Nevada 2 yrs ago. That state is such a disaster at this point my wife and I refuse to even visit there. Not a chance that I would spend one dollar of my hard earned money to support that insanity! Nope. We've already got our retirement spots picked out. We'll be doing the 'snowbird' routine - traveling between Montana (10 acres purchased) and South Carolina. My projection is @ 8 yrs and I'm out of NJ for good. ThumpUp
Sunoverbeach Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Mar 12 2022, 11:11 PM EST
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This is a load of crap. If you don't have the gun according to their records, then selling ammo to you would keep it out of the hands of all those gun owning maniacs.

That said:
Blackouts, I joke, are like sleepwalking with activities.
- RW
Mike3316 Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Mar 12 2022, 11:20 PM EST
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
This is a load of crap. If you don't have the gun according to their records, then selling ammo to you would keep it out of the hands of all those gun owning maniacs.

That said:
Blackouts, I joke, are like sleepwalking with activities.
- RW

I agree 100% SOB. I'll guarantee you that their rationale is that if you don't own a gun you don't need ammo and if you need ammo without a registred gun - then you probably have an illegal firearm. I know enough California liberals (several are my in-laws lol) - that's how they think.
Whistlebritches Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 12:57 AM EST
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Mike3316 wrote:
My wife is a native Californian. We even lived there for a couple of years back in the lata 80's. And - my son lived there for a couple years as well - until he moved to Nevada 2 yrs ago. That state is such a disaster at this point my wife and I refuse to even visit there. Not a chance that I would spend one dollar of my hard earned money to support that insanity! Nope. We've already got our retirement spots picked out. We'll be doing the 'snowbird' routine - traveling between Montana (10 acres purchased) and South Carolina. My projection is @ 8 yrs and I'm out of NJ for good. ThumpUp



New Joursey............... my condolences
MACS Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 1:14 AM EST
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HD?

Broheim... I been here for a hot minute. I seen these BS infringements coming from a mile away. What caliber you need, mah knee-grow? Ya know I got a stockpile. Of course, CA is fully aware of all the ammo I have in my extremely limited um, not arsenal... um... supply?

Hollah atcha boi. What'cha need, bruh? Prolly got it.
HockeyDad Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 11:42 AM EST
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Mike3316 wrote:
HD - why not just take a weekend and drive to Nevada (or Arizona) buy what you need and then drive home?


If you buy ammo out of state you have to ship it to a gun dealer and do the background check process.

Cal DOJ is known to visit Reno gun shows and Cabelas to spot Californians buying stuff.
HockeyDad Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 11:49 AM EST
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So I tried to use my iPad and go through the process of changing my address and linking up my records. Website froze every time. State employee IT are the absolute worst. Now I’m going to try from a computer. My expectation is I’m going to have to get on the phone with someone at the DOJ to fix this. That will surely be pleasant to deal with a real live state employee.

Still infringed.
Gene363 Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 12:25 PM EST
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Kommiefornia!

As a native California, it is great to be free and not living in California.

Good luck HD, the IT people probably get a bonus for the number of rejections they engineer.
HockeyDad Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 12:39 PM EST
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I got the address change submitted. Now I wait to see it links up with my existing records. How long to process…..unknown.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 1:03 PM EST
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What if someone in a much more unrestricted state, shipped some ammo, entirely by accident completely flubbed the address, and it just happened to show up on your doorstep?

That may start encroaching on some federal rules at that point I s'pose.
ZRX1200 Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 1:08 PM EST
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I have ammo shipped to my house.
HockeyDad Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 1:44 PM EST
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
What if someone in a much more unrestricted state, shipped some ammo, entirely by accident completely flubbed the address, and it just happened to show up on your doorstep?

That may start encroaching on some federal rules at that point I s'pose.


Illegal in California.
ZRX1200 Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 2:04 PM EST
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Free men don’t ask permission though.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 2:12 PM EST
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What if you trained some pigeons, and then when they were out flying around, coincidentally over state lines, they accidentally got tangled up in a round or two.

You would be obligated to free them for the good of the wildlife, and you couldn't just dispose of the ammo for the good of the populace. And it's not your fault this keeps happening. You would have no choice but to store it for safekeeping
HockeyDad Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 2:41 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Free men don’t ask permission though.


Nobody is free in California.
ZRX1200 Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 5:23 PM EST
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LMAO….true
danmdevries Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 5:43 PM EST
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What about reloading components?
HockeyDad Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 5:59 PM EST
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danmdevries wrote:
What about reloading components?


They have not banned that yet. Sounds like an opportunity to create a new sensible gun law.
8trackdisco Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 8:31 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I got the address change submitted. Now I wait to see it links up with my existing records. How long to process…..unknown.


I think you should double-Down.

Find another bathroom and stick 100k in it.
HockeyDad Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 9:10 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
I think you should double-Down.

Find another bathroom and stick 100k in it.


The first bathroom is done with demo. Now for construction. Then demo the second bath.
Mike3316 Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 10:02 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
New Joursey............... my condolences

Thanks. i was born and raised here so it IS home. Its really not as bad as its made out to be. Though the liberals that run the state have totally lost their minds the past 2 yrs. Oh - and for the record - NO ONE that was born here says "Joursey". That's how the New Yorkers that move here to get away from the grime say it. If you're from here the proper way to say it is .... New Jerrzee. Beer
Mike3316 Offline
#29 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 10:05 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Illegal in California.

Its only illegal if they catch you. Flapper
Mike3316 Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Mar 13 2022, 10:06 PM EST
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Perhaps you could go to Ukraine. I just read that Federal, Remington, and CCI have pledged to donate 2,000,000 rounds of ammo to Ukraine to help "defend democracy". I find it curious that they're able to increase production to be able to send millions of rounds of ammo to Ukraine for free but they haven't been able to increase production for the past 2 YEARS to be able to defend democracy or keep ammo prices below $1/round here in the US. Just sayin .....
HockeyDad Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Mar 14 2022, 12:08 AM EST
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Wait til they start sending them “booster” ammo.
Mike3316 Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Mar 14 2022, 1:34 AM EST
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^
THAT they're welcome to!
danmdevries Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Mar 14 2022, 9:10 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
They have not banned that yet. Sounds like an opportunity to create a new sensible gun law.


When I was shooting a lot more I stocked up, and have saved brass pretty much since I started shooting.

I have enough lead, primers, and powders to be a hazmat site.

No worries about ammo availability for a long time. Progressive auto press once dialed in cranks out a few hundred rounds an hour.

I dont know what current prices and availability are on reloading equipment and components but at least start with saving brass. If anything the scrap value is high. But with the hoops you gotta jump through, a reloading setup may be worthwhile.
HockeyDad Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Mar 14 2022, 10:29 AM EST
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Well I got an acknowledgment that my address change was accepted. Now how long to wait while it propagates through the databases.
DaveSoCal Offline
#35 Posted: Sun, Mar 20 2022, 7:36 PM EST
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Did you ever think that if you don't buy a gun ..........then you don't need ammo. Beside a baseball bat works better away and you can get some exercise in. Have a happy trip to Tezas
KingoftheCove Offline
#36 Posted: Sun, Mar 20 2022, 10:44 PM EST
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^^ this feller is smaht....
Guns bad....
Bats good....
Stogie1020 Offline
#37 Posted: Sun, Mar 20 2022, 10:53 PM EST
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With logic like that, it's no wonder the anti- gun arguments fall on deaf ears.
MACS Offline
#38 Posted: Sun, Mar 20 2022, 11:44 PM EST
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Look... I live in CA and I was born and raised in RI... but I find it absolutely hilarious that a dude from NJ would have the gonads to criticize either.

CA sucks. RI sucks. NJ sucks.

Do not throw stones if you live in a glass house.

The wife is now 100% onboard with moving. We shall have to start looking at spots.
MACS Offline
#39 Posted: Sun, Mar 20 2022, 11:47 PM EST
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DaveSoCal wrote:
Did you ever think that if you don't buy a gun ..........then you don't need ammo. Beside a baseball bat works better away and you can get some exercise in. Have a happy trip to Tezas


You, sir... are absolutely retarded and likely why CA is so f---ed up.

I am also in SoCal (for now). This state BLOWS.
ZRX1200 Offline
#40 Posted: Mon, Mar 21 2022, 12:20 AM EST
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I did it like this, I did it like that, SoCal Dave like to sit on a wiffle ball bat.
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#41 Posted: Mon, Mar 21 2022, 12:24 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Look... I live in CA and I was born and raised in RI... but I find it absolutely hilarious that a dude from NJ would have the gonads to criticize either.

CA sucks. RI sucks. NJ sucks.

Do not throw stones if you live in a glass house.

The wife is now 100% onboard with moving. We shall have to start looking at spots.


Applause

I think Gardner, MA would be a good destination. We got... umm... let me think... umm... some stuff... like small and rather quiet town with New England weather. Sorry that's the best I can come up with.
Abrignac Offline
#42 Posted: Mon, Mar 21 2022, 1:36 AM EST
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Drove in to SoCal this evening. Hopefully, I’ll be driving out tomorrow.
Mike3316 Offline
#43 Posted: Mon, Mar 21 2022, 2:15 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Drove in to SoCal this evening. Hopefully, I’ll be driving out tomorrow.

My condolences for you having to drive to SoCal. Pray
Sunoverbeach Offline
#44 Posted: Mon, Mar 21 2022, 5:03 AM EST
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This morning, I am appreciative of the fine B-Boys reference
MACS Offline
#45 Posted: Mon, Mar 21 2022, 8:14 AM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Applause

I think Gardner, MA would be a good destination. We got... umm... let me think... umm... some stuff... like small and rather quiet town with New England weather. Sorry that's the best I can come up with.


Close to restaurants with lawbstah rolls, stuffies and clamcakes.

I'd have started there.
RMAN4443 Offline
#46 Posted: Mon, Mar 21 2022, 8:28 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Look... I live in CA and I was born and raised in RI... but I find it absolutely hilarious that a dude from NJ would have the gonads to criticize either.

CA sucks. RI sucks. NJ sucks.

Do not throw stones if you live in a glass house.

The wife is now 100% onboard with moving. We shall have to start looking at spots.

I heard you shouldn't take baths either...Anxious


mmmmm, I could go for some stuffies and clam cakes right about now...Drool
Gene363 Offline
#47 Posted: Mon, Mar 21 2022, 8:29 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
You, sir... are absolutely retarded and likely why CA is so f---ed up.

I am also in SoCal (for now). This state BLOWS.



The first step to freedom. Do settle on a new location before putting the house up for sale.

If you haven't settled on Florida, consider South Carolina, North Carolina, and Georgia. It's had to beat no income tax, though other states have generous tax exceptions for military retirees and not as many hurricanes, crappy drivers, or tourists as Florida.
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#48 Posted: Mon, Mar 21 2022, 9:14 AM EST
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MACS wrote:


The wife is now 100% onboard with moving. We shall have to start looking at spots.


I looked at a few places when I was down there. Nothing near big cities, I don't prefer to be any closer to that than I already am. I want to be away from everything. When I bought my house it was right on the edge of being away and being close. Still is, but the close part has moved a lot closer over the years.

My favorite was a 10 acre parcel near Christmas, FL. In the middle of nowhere, but still 30 minutes from somewhere.

10 acres and had a barn on site which had fallen down. Has septic field, unknown condition. Has natural gas connection according to the listing, I didn't actually talk to anyone. Did see electric ran to a pole with a meter at the end of the driveway where the fallen barn was.

Only $90k. Land was partly swamp and about half was densely wooded. Everything overgrown so hard to really see it all but I could picture clearing 2 acres in the middle on the "high" ground and building a small barn to run utilities and probably a hurricane shelter. And then a camper pad for a winter vacation spot. Wife says no.
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#49 Posted: Mon, Mar 21 2022, 9:20 AM EST
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
This morning, I am appreciative of the fine B-Boys reference


That song is 36 years old....

I'm old.

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#50 Posted: Mon, Mar 21 2022, 10:58 AM EST
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