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Portuguese Angered at Influx of Californians
HockeyDad Offline
#1 Posted:
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Well I’ll scratch that location off my list. They cancelled the golden visa. We are locusts.



California residents are fleeing to the country of Portugal and in many cases bringing problems that have made life more difficult for natives, according to the Los Angeles Times report.

In a story titled "Welcome to Portugal, the new expat haven. Californians, please go home", that the number of Americans living in Portugal has risen by 45% in the past year with many of those Americans moving from California in order to escape high housing costs, pandemic lockdowns, and "Trumpian politics" in the United States.

The article explains that "resentment of newcomers is growing" in Portugal as California expats have become the "root of questions over gentrification, income disparities and immigration."

Portuguese activists have reportedly taken to the streets to protest the gentrification caused by Americans, many of them Californians, who have moved into the neighborhood and caused skyrocketing rent and evictions.

"You cannot deny that places like Lisbon have become much more appealing for young, creative people with money to spend. The effect on the economy and the way the buildings look — no longer empty — is astronomical," Luis Mendes, a geographer at the University of Lisbon, told the Los Angeles Times. "But the average Portuguese person can no longer afford to live in the center of Lisbon. Rents have gone up five times over a few years. Even the basic things, such as buying groceries, take longer trips outside the city center than they used to."

The Portuguese government has responded to the housing crisis by suspending its "golden visa" program in large cities that offered residency to foreigners who purchased homes that cost more than $500,000 euros which was a program "dominated" by Americans.

In Lisbon, the capital city of Portugal, evictions have doubled over the last few years with many blaming the influx of foreigners willing to pay more than locals with bank accounts backed by dollars and pounds.

"Things were just becoming too much back home, but I didn’t want to leave everything about L.A. behind," California expat Jamie Dixon explained. "With Portugal," Dixon added, "we could keep the parts we liked and leave the rest."
tugboat Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Well I’ll scratch that location off my list. They cancelled the golden visa. We are locusts.



California residents are fleeing to the country of Portugal and in many cases bringing problems that have made life more difficult for natives, according to the Los Angeles Times report.

In a story titled "Welcome to Portugal, the new expat haven. Californians, please go home", that the number of Americans living in Portugal has risen by 45% in the past year with many of those Americans moving from California in order to escape high housing costs, pandemic lockdowns, and "Trumpian politics" in the United States.

The article explains that "resentment of newcomers is growing" in Portugal as California expats have become the "root of questions over gentrification, income disparities and immigration."

Portuguese activists have reportedly taken to the streets to protest the gentrification caused by Americans, many of them Californians, who have moved into the neighborhood and caused skyrocketing rent and evictions.

"You cannot deny that places like Lisbon have become much more appealing for young, creative people with money to spend. The effect on the economy and the way the buildings look — no longer empty — is astronomical," Luis Mendes, a geographer at the University of Lisbon, told the Los Angeles Times. "But the average Portuguese person can no longer afford to live in the center of Lisbon. Rents have gone up five times over a few years. Even the basic things, such as buying groceries, take longer trips outside the city center than they used to."

The Portuguese government has responded to the housing crisis by suspending its "golden visa" program in large cities that offered residency to foreigners who purchased homes that cost more than $500,000 euros which was a program "dominated" by Americans.

In Lisbon, the capital city of Portugal, evictions have doubled over the last few years with many blaming the influx of foreigners willing to pay more than locals with bank accounts backed by dollars and pounds.

"Things were just becoming too much back home, but I didn’t want to leave everything about L.A. behind," California expat Jamie Dixon explained. "With Portugal," Dixon added, "we could keep the parts we liked and leave the rest."



Trumpian politics .....more like Galvin Newscom politics
Speyside2 Offline
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Expat communities will continue to grow worldwide. Ecuador, Luxembourg, Monaco, Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, and Spain come to mind. Each has pluses and minuses. Plus Portugal is still totally in play, just a bit differently.

The big miss for most people is not understanding the value of incorporating in these countries and the corporate tax ramifications. Quite complex, but fascinating from a business perspective. But I digress.
Speyside2 Offline
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HD, buy a 500,000 euro estate not in a large city, bingo bango, you have your golden visa.
HockeyDad Offline
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tugboat wrote:
Trumpian politics .....more like Galvin Newscom politics


I did think the Trumpian politics comment was funny. It you want to escape Trumpian politics you GO TO California! There is no such thing here.
HockeyDad Offline
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Speyside2 wrote:
HD, buy a 500,000 euro estate not in a large city, bingo bango, you have your golden visa.


I gotta figure which ones are blocked. I literally had just mentioned Portugal the other day. If a criteria is Mediterranean climate the choices are heavily restricted. Portugal is a hot bed for retirement for Europeans as well.
Speyside2 Offline
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https://www.liveandinvestoverseas.com/lifestyle/best-places-to-live-mediterranean/

A starting point at a minimum.
ZRX1200 Offline
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#Istandwithportugal
HockeyDad Offline
#9 Posted:
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I’m going to need a disguise when I leave this state.
Mr. Jones Offline
#10 Posted:
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Screw Portugal...

Move to LAOS...OR ECUADOR, Turks and Caicos, or ITALY....

MUCH BETTER THAN PORTUGAL.....
Spanish? Who speaks Spanish?

Italy is the best country on earth...

Bar none...
Mr. Jones Offline
#11 Posted:
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Californians ruin everything...

It's a F.A.C.T.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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A politician visited an village in India and asked what their needs were.
”We have 2 basic needs sir,” replied the villager.
“Firstly, we have a hospital, but there’s no doctor.”

On hearing this, the politician whipped out his cellphone, and after speaking for a while he reassured the village leader that the doctor would be there the next day. He then asked about the second problem.

“Secondly sir, there is no cellphone coverage anywhere in the village.”
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