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Please argue against this!
Speyside2 Offline
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All forms of government are actually autocracy. They may have very different goals, but those goals never take into consideration what the people as a while want.

RayR is inherently correct, government is inherently corrupt/bad. Unfortunatly his anarchistic utopia only exists in theory. In reality there must be some inimalistic form of government. All laws should reflect the constitution and the will of the people.

I am looking for constructive criticism. Don't hold back
ZRX1200 Offline
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Azzwhile
Mr. Jones Offline
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Ray Ray

Cray cray

Is what 98.2% of Cbid demoncrats say....
Speyside2 Offline
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Ah, sorry Z, this would take critical thought on your part. Let me simplify for you. All government bad. Money run all government. Anarchy idea good. Anarchy no work. What you say?
HockeyDad Offline
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Arguments are in room 12A
ZRX1200 Offline
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Critical thought like spelling?

I can hear your yelling in room 12A from upstairs.
RayR Offline
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Ray Ray

Cray cray

Is what 98.2% of Cbid demoncrats say....


Yes, it's true Jonsey. Cbid demoncrats hate any mention of gubment being in chains.
It leaves them speechless, choking on their cigar and babbling nonsense.

Spey is trying to instigate an intellectual argument. Good luck with that.
I'm not sure about his starting point, he fails first by inserting the assertion that anything that crushes centralized gubment rule one way or another won't work, he says anarchism is Utopian. It won't work he says. I guess the same applies to libertarians, classical liberals, and old-right conservatives.
At the same time, he advocates for a minimalistic form of government that reflects the constitution and the will of the people. I thought that was the framework left by the founders who were not Utopian and knew that humans were easily corruptible and violent, that there were those that are always seeking more centralized power and the perks that go with it.
Many instinctively knew it wouldn't last as the republic grew in territory and population. Some counted on it because they were the dedicated archists who were seeking dominion over the states and the people. Words on a piece of paper and the "will of the people " called democracy were easily corrupted to their favor.
rfenst Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Arguments are in room 12A

LOL.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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If Queen Elizabeth accidentally farts during dinner, the other guests are supposed to pretend like nothing happened. Noble gases should have no reaction.
CelticBomber Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Arguments are in room 12A


I went to A12 for an argument and all they did was contradict me. That's not an argument!
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Tell ya what Z, your spelling and grammar are far better than mine. I admit this readily. What that has to do with critical thinking? For all I know you are an idiot savant.
MACS Offline
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CelticBomber wrote:
I went to A12 for an argument and all they did was contradict me. That's not an argument!


Yes it is...
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
If Queen Elizabeth accidentally farts during dinner, the other guests are supposed to pretend like nothing happened. Noble gases should have no reaction.

Ideally, you should leave Tom Brady out of this.
RayR Offline
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Wow! This thread quickly devolved into passing gas faster than I thought. Bored

Are you happy Spey?
HockeyDad Offline
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MACS wrote:
Yes it is...


No it’s not.
Speyside2 Offline
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Ray, show me a country where anarchism is practiced and works. Actually aside from what I consider inaccurate observations of who I am, you are the only person to pose an answer to my thoughts.

Unfortunately once Z posted it turned to chit. My bad in a way. I am tired of his smugness and superior attitude if you disagree with him. He is a classic example of an internet bully. At this point in time I choose to mix it up with him.

For instance, lack of spelling skills implies poor English, guilty as charged. To think spelling skill implies you think critically or are smart points to a low IQ range.
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CelticBomber wrote:
I went to A12 for an argument and all they did was contradict me. That's not an argument!

that's more like silly banter...fog
ZRX1200 Offline
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I didn’t imply anything.

I took your spelling as an opportunity to call you a name in a clever way as a joke…….I wasn’t bullying anyone and I publicly apologize if you felt that way. I will be better and watch how I communicate with people and be more def aware of my own behavior.

1 outta 2 ain’t bad anyways.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I didn’t imply anything.

I took your spelling as an opportunity to call you a name in a clever way as a joke…….I wasn’t bullying anyone and I publicly apologize if you felt that way. I will be better and watch how I communicate with people and be more def aware of my own behavior.

1 outta 2 ain’t bad anyways.

To late, you've already been reported to Kamalalala and her Cyber Bully and Misinformation Squad
ZRX1200 Offline
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Oh know!
Speyside2 Offline
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Thank you I appreciate that.
Speyside2 Offline
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Fortunately I doubt she can find Oregon. You know, normal people live in Northern California, so she doesn't know where the border is.
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Though Hillary might, she keeps a list with Bill of undesirables, the list is constantly changing.
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Anarchism doesn't need a country.
Don't you practice anarchism daily or do you need gubment permission for everything you do first?
Do you check the law books first to see if there is a statute that prohibits you from helping your neighbor with something?
Do you turn in some anarchic little girl with a lemonade stand to the authorities because she doesn't care to get a permit from the health department and a sales tax ID?
Voluntary cooperation works best in a free society among civilized people.

How are these supersized centralized archy governments working out for you Mr. Minimalistic Government?



Whistlebritches Offline
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RayR wrote:
Anarchism doesn't need a country.
Don't you practice anarchism daily or do you need gubment permission for everything you do first?
Do you check the law books first to see if there is a statute that prohibits you from helping your neighbor with something?
Do you turn in some anarchic little girl with a lemonade stand to the authorities because she doesn't care to get a permit from the health department and a sales tax ID?
Voluntary cooperation works best in a free society among civilized people.

How are these supersized centralized archy governments working out for you Mr. Minimalistic Government?






I think you meant Mr Enemalistic................ If you gonna do it DO IT RIGHT
RayR Offline
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Whistlebritches wrote:
I think you meant Mr Enemalistic................ If you gonna do it DO IT RIGHT


Oops...sorry, I didn't know.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Arguments are in room 12A


Definitely in the right room for abuse.
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The only direction that any government can go is more authoritarian. The only way governments can justify their continued existence is by constantly enacting new legislation. Because if they aren't passing laws, what do we need them for?
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Whistle, I am beginning to think you are very similar to Ray.
RayR Offline
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Speyside2 wrote:
Whistle, I am beginning to think you are very similar to Ray.


Scary huh?
Whistlebritches Offline
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Speyside2 wrote:
Whistle, I am beginning to think you are very similar to Ray.



Spey , I am beginning to think you are Joe Exotic.I'm really surprised how much computer time inmates are currently allowed.
ZRX1200 Offline
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I was thinking more Carol Baskin.
Whistlebritches Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I was thinking more Carol Baskin.



Either..........both sociopaths
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A little boy asked his father, "Daddy, how much does it cost to get married?"
Father replied, "I don't know son, I'm still paying."
CelticBomber Offline
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Is this where I come to register a complaint about this parrot?
Speyside2 Offline
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Whistle I thought you were more than you are. That is my mistake.
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Speyside2 wrote:
All forms of government are actually autocracy. They may have very different goals, but those goals never take into consideration what the people as a while want.

RayR is inherently correct, government is inherently corrupt/bad. Unfortunatly his anarchistic utopia only exists in theory. In reality there must be some inimalistic form of government. All laws should reflect the constitution and the will of the people.

I am looking for constructive criticism. Don't hold back


Thought of a way to argue against it, I cannot... except for the autocracy part.

Someone might try, but it almost always ends in the system crumbling... Systems get too big for one individual piece of the system to manage the whole thing.

So I would argue that's one of the leading causes of death of systems in general... dumb azz micromanagers.
RayR Offline
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Ya, "autocracy" is the wrong word for Spey to describe all forms of government.
A political plutocracy is more common with a humongous incomprehensible bureaucratic state apparatus...like the United States
Even though there are romantics out there who still believe in the myth of the "perpetual union", that the United States is the immortal shining city on the hill, the top-heavy system is bound to crumble and fall into the dustbin of history, the graveyard of empires.
You could say it's the the "will of the people" to make it so, as the majority don't even realize their governments are systemically corrupt or that they have done their own part in the cheering on the corruption. If they are unhappy, they actually think if they just elect a different clown who tells them sweet sounding lies, then their hero will set things right with the world..



Sunoverbeach Offline
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I was addicted to the hokey pokey... but thankfully, I turned myself around.
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Speyside2 wrote:
Whistle I thought you were more than you are. That is my mistake.



I'm heartbroken Sarcasm Sarcasm Sarcasm



You're exactly what I thought you were Spey..............tell mommy hi when she brings your next round of cookies and milk down to the basement
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I will pray for you Whistle. It's the best I can do.
Whistlebritches Offline
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Speyside2 wrote:
I will pray for you Whistle. It's the best I can do.



I'll always take prayers ..........regardless of ones sanity
RayR Offline
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Let He Who Is Without Sanity Cast the First Stone
bgz Offline
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RayR wrote:
Let He Who Is Without Sanity Cast the First Prayer


FIFY

edit 1:

There were no stones mentioned. We're talking about prayers here.

edit 2:

Well, they are, I'm just eating some nasty pastry thingy... I'm sure some of you guys pray for me, if you don't, I'm ok with it.
Speyside2 Offline
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Z, I apologize, I went overboard.
Whistlebritches Offline
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Speyside2 wrote:
Z, I apologize, I went overboard.



Been going on a while...........check yoself
bgz Offline
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Oh, he's fine, you're fine, we're all fine.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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Don't spell part backwards. It's a trap.
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It all makes sense. A government by the people - who are kinda crazy...
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Brewha wrote:
It all makes sense. A government by the people - who are kinda crazy...



Kind of crazy.........the left in this country is out of its freaking mind!!!
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