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White Nationalist group arrested
Whistlebritches Offline
#51 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
Throwing a Molotov Cocktail is a b class felony and should treated as such. Fire bombing typically is premeditated first degree murder with many counts of the crime and should be treated as such.


So you practice law out of your basement too..........Who knew
Sunoverbeach Offline
#52 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
That goes to show you how stupid peaceful protesting lefty insurrectionist arsonists are...making a Molotov Cocktail with diesel fuel! LOL LOL LOL

Man! Are they DUMB! LOL LOL LOL

Read through again carefully. Take your time. I know wurds is hahd. The OK City Federal Building bomb was not a Molotov cocktail, and I don't believe McVeigh was considered left leaning.
RayR Offline
#53 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Read through again carefully. Take your time. I know wurds is hahd. The OK City Federal Building bomb was not a Molotov cocktail, and I don't believe McVeigh was considered left leaning.


Who's talking about that Federal Building? I'm talking about the Summer of Love when the ANTIFAites tried to burn down the Federal Courthouse in Portland and along with BLM'ers were throwing around Molotov cocktails through shop windows and burning down cities.

McVeigh was a neo-Nazi and his attack was inspired by the Turner Diaries, a 1978 tract that advocated the use of terrorism to overthrow the US and establish a government explicitly based on Nazi Germany. Nazis are authoritarian leftist nationalists. How many times do I have to tell ya? Remember the Reichstag fire. Lefties love burning stuff down..or blow stuff up if they get a chance.
Speyside2 Offline
#54 Posted:
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Why don't you show me where I am wrong Whistle? Oh I forgot, you cannot as I am correct. Try reading up on the law please, you actually can do that if it interests you.
HockeyDad Offline
#55 Posted:
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Fire bombing doesn’t exist in California law.
ZRX1200 Offline
#56 Posted:
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The term “explosive or incendiary device” means (A) dynamite and all other forms of high explosives, (B) any explosive bomb, grenade, missile, or similar device, and (C) any incendiary bomb or grenade, fire bomb, or similar device, including any device which (i) consists of or includes a breakable container including a flammable liquid or compound, and a wick composed of any material which, when ignited, is capable of igniting such flammable liquid or compound, and (ii) can be carried or thrown by one individual acting alone.

Cornell law.


Incendiary device means any firebomb, and any device designed or specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons or property by means of fire, and consisting of an incendiary substance or agency and a means to ignite it.

Law Insider

Examples of firebomb in a Sentence
Recent Examples on the Web
The Israeli military said three suspects hurled a firebomb at forces operating near the barrier, who responded with live fire.
— Joseph Krauss, ajc, 2 June 2022
Police said a firebomb thrown by one of the protesters set a carpet outside the mosque on fire, but it was quickly extinguished.
— Ilan Ben Zion, ajc, 20 Apr. 2022

Miriam Webster for the two obsessed with a definition and not how I used the word as an action not a thing. But you’ve established that context matters not. The name calling is a nice touch, always the sure sign of a verbal victory.


Speyside2 Offline
#57 Posted:
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Actually you started the cursing, I have only replied in kind.
Speyside2 Offline
#58 Posted:
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Incendiary bombs are of two main types. The burning material of the intensive type is thermite, a mixture of aluminum powder and iron oxide that burns at a very high temperature. The casing of such a bomb is composed of magnesium, a metal that itself burns at a high temperature when ignited by thermite. Intensive-type incendiaries are designed to set buildings afire by their intense heat. The other type of incendiary bomb is a thin-walled container of napalm, or jellied gasoline, that is used against personnel, vehicles, and flammable installations. The napalm spreads over a wide area, sticks to whatever it falls upon, and burns for a long time. Modern mixtures of napalm consist of gasoline, benzene, and a polystyrene thickener.

Encyclopedia Britanica
Speyside2 Offline
#59 Posted:
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We can play this out days on end. I have no intention of backing down from calling out your BS. And you are full of it.
Speyside2 Offline
#60 Posted:
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Also let's be clear what we are arguing about. Criminals tried to burn a federal building, call it fire bombing if you want, I do not think it was fire bombing, realistically so what? Bottom line I wish the criminals were prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Bundy and his folks had, are, and will steal from the federal government. The federal government played fast and loose with evidence. Hence the overturned convictions with prejudice and so far all attempts at retrial have been dismissed. So on those charges the Bundy group are innocent.

A man died, you choose to call it a cover up. I believe it was a justified shooting. In either event it was tragic.

Bundy and his group are committing, have committed, and will continue to commit Grand Larceny. You think the government is taking away their rights, I think they are criminals.

That I believe is what are our disagreement is about. If you stop pontificating so will I. If you can discuss this civilly without being a d ick so can I.

Your choice.
Mr. Jones Offline
#61 Posted:
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Let's riot...

Then go jogging in new construction developments...

Where's my LONG kahki's...
Sunoverbeach Offline
#62 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
Who's talking about that Federal Building? I'm talking about the Summer of Love when the ANTIFAites tried to burn down the Federal Courthouse in Portland and along with BLM'ers were throwing around Molotov cocktails through shop windows and burning down cities.

Well I was, and Spey referenced it originally, but I apologize. I forget context and logic have no place in your universe.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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When wearing a bikini, women reveal 90 % of their body... men are so polite they only look at the covered parts.
Whistlebritches Offline
#64 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
Why don't you show me where I am wrong Whistle? Oh I forgot, you cannot as I am correct. Try reading up on the law please, you actually can do that if it interests you.



Even SCOTUS Justices interpret law differently among themselves.................but you're 100% correct


Sarcasm Sarcasm Sarcasm
Speyside2 Offline
#65 Posted:
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Nice deflection, now back your bluster up. Prove me wrong if you can. You have yet to do that. Do you want me to cite specific cases for you? No, no you don't. You want your lie to become your truth, or has it already?
ZRX1200 Offline
#66 Posted:
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Keep grabbing…..it’s all you got.
Speyside2 Offline
#67 Posted:
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Not really, I don't fit into your world view and am glad for that. But you and Whistle share the same Bizero world. Also, you have nothing.
HockeyDad Offline
#68 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
Nice deflection, now back your bluster up. Prove me wrong if you can. You have yet to do that. Do you want me to cite specific cases for you? No, no you don't. You want your lie to become your truth, or has it already?


I’ll be honest, when you started rambling about thermite and napalm I wasn’t even sure what point you are making that you want people to prove wrong!

I thought this thread was about a bunch of guys in a truck getting arrested.
ZRX1200 Offline
#69 Posted:
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No it was a honeypot for crazy and it worked…..

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rfenst wrote:
The cops found paperwork laying out their entire plan. That coupled with their odd behavior, attire, cramming into a truck to reach their target, etc., etc. = a probable plan to do something illegal = conspiracy charges, IMO.

(And that's supposed to be a nice place according to JOJOC, who lives there.)


Robert, how are you?

It's nice to know that I am not completely forgotten, despite my absence.


Here is my take on this. Both the stop and charges were valid. Not to mention that they were pulled over literally a few hundred yards from their destination. A few minutes later and this news story would have been very different. My understanding is that in addition to the riot shields, they had protective hard plastic inserts in their hats and long heavy-duty metal flag poles (offensive weapon), smoke grenades ....

As to the thoughts of selective focus by the police, I don't think it was. The same day there were a couple other unrelated arrests of individuals associated with ANTIFA. This community enjoys its peace and quiet and has very little tolerance for anything that is disruptive of that quiet enjoyment. During the Black Lives Matters riots in Spokane, there were rumors of the protestors making their way to Coeur d'Alene. The result was a very large presence of heavily armed individuals that roamed the streets for about a week until the Spokane protests petered out. A good number of them likely have similar political/racial views as the group that was just arrested. The concept of "not in my town" seemed to override the racial/political issues. There were some peaceful BLM marches, and the armed groups either ignored them, or engaged with them in a civil manner.



rfenst Offline
#71 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I thought this thread was about a bunch of guys in a truck getting arrested.





Quote:
An apparent leader of the group had a seven-page document outlining an operational plan in extensive detail, the chief said.

After pulling up a digital image of the document, Chief White read brief selections to The New York Times that detailed how smoke was to be used: “a column forming on the outside of the park, proceeding inward, until barriers to approach are met” and “once an appropriate amount of confrontational dynamic has been established the column will disengage and head to Sherman.”

Sherman Avenue runs through the center of downtown Coeur d’Alene.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/12/us/idaho-pride-white-supremacists-arrested.html


For whatever it is worth I now believe there was probable cause.

Speyside2 Offline
#72 Posted:
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Don't tell the truth, this is Cbid.
Stogie1020 Offline
#73 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
For whatever it is worth I now believe there was probable cause.


But did they find the document before, or as a result of, the stop and detention?...
rfenst Offline
#74 Posted:
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Stogie1020 wrote:
But did they find the document before, or as a result of, the stop and detention?...

Good question. It goes to both the legitimacy of the arrests and admissability of the evidence.

IDK, but even if it was after the stop, I believe they still had the right to seize anything in "open view" or "plain view."
HockeyDad Offline
#75 Posted:
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“a column forming on the outside of the park, proceeding inward, until barriers to approach are met” and “once an appropriate amount of confrontational dynamic has been established the column will disengage and head to Sherman.”


31 guys we’re gonna walk in a straight line into the park?

Go ahead and drop the charges and let the FBI guys go back undercover.
rfenst Offline
#76 Posted:
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Incomplete analysis.
There is no single conclusive fact.
Arrests were based on the "totality of the circumstances."
HockeyDad Offline
#77 Posted:
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Plea bargain it down to failure to properly use seat belts in a moving vehicle.
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Just burned 2,000 calories. That's the last time I leave brownies in the oven while I nap.
Speyside2 Offline
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Whit Nationalists should honor the true legacy of Robert E Lee.









Give up and surrender.
Speyside2 Offline
#80 Posted:
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White Nationalists should honor the true legacy of Jefferson Davis.







Dress like Drag Queens.
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White Nationalists love wine vineyards.







True segregation.
Speyside2 Offline
#82 Posted:
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White Nationalists love Port wine.







Where else can you stomp something black and the end result is really sweet?
Speyside2 Offline
#83 Posted:
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Donald Trump is thinking about selling red wine again, but has one problem.




Does he call it Red states, or whites only.
RayR Offline
#84 Posted:
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I hate nationalists of any kind. They are all wannabe dicktators in disguise. Show me a Leftist, a Straussian or a Neocon and I'll show you a despicable nationalist.

Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee weren't nationalists, they were against the radical Repulican nationalist dicktators of D.C and simply wanted to right the federal republic to the vision of the founders, which was to restore federalism.

Trump has some nationalist tendencies which I always found disturbing. It's a disease that unfortunately permeates a good part of the Republican Party in one way or another.

Modern-day Democrats are nationalists thru and thru. There is nothing they don't want to nationalize. Their authoritarian nationalism stinks to high heaven.

ZRX1200 Offline
#85 Posted:
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Pretty sure Jesus would remember his meds……

HOLY 💩 get help.

Speyside2 Offline
#86 Posted:
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Why would I want or need more meds, you on the other hand..............
rfenst Offline
#87 Posted:
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jojoc wrote:
Robert, how are you?

It's nice to know that I am not completely forgotten, despite my absence.


Here is my take on this. Both the stop and charges were valid. Not to mention that they were pulled over literally a few hundred yards from their destination. A few minutes later and this news story would have been very different. My understanding is that in addition to the riot shields, they had protective hard plastic inserts in their hats and long heavy-duty metal flag poles (offensive weapon), smoke grenades ....

As to the thoughts of selective focus by the police, I don't think it was. The same day there were a couple other unrelated arrests of individuals associated with ANTIFA. This community enjoys its peace and quiet and has very little tolerance for anything that is disruptive of that quiet enjoyment. During the Black Lives Matters riots in Spokane, there were rumors of the protestors making their way to Coeur d'Alene. The result was a very large presence of heavily armed individuals that roamed the streets for about a week until the Spokane protests petered out. A good number of them likely have similar political/racial views as the group that was just arrested. The concept of "not in my town" seemed to override the racial/political issues. There were some peaceful BLM marches, and the armed groups either ignored them, or engaged with them in a civil manner.


Hey Bro! I knew youd read this thread. Posting is even better. I miss your participation here and this time you have first-hand or close to first hand knowledge.

Anyhow, does your wife still run in the Disney Marathon? I remember with enjoyment the day we spent in Ybor with HockeyDad at Columbia and Fuente. Still smoking cigars? I'd be happy to herf with you again any time our paths cross again! Herfing



(BTW, what is your opinion of what I posted about Clarence Thomas in the politics thread I yesterday?)
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#88 Posted:
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I heard they used the same U-Haul that Timothy McVeigh used.
ZRX1200 Offline
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I think why happened with his accomplice was more interesting than him.
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eBay is so useless. I tried to look up lighters and all they had was 13,749 matches.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbYu3cAwl6Q
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What's the difference between men and pigs? Pigs don't turn into men when they drink.
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