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Roe versus Wade Overturned!
RayR Online
#151 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
You don't know what we're "supposed" to have, or "supposed" to be just as no one else does (including me if that wasn't clear). System is going to evolve whether you want it to or not... usually it doesn't change into what you want it to or think that it should.

Destroying pillars of systems has unexpected effects... usually some sort of crumbling is involved.


The fact that you don't know what form of government we were supposed to have doesn't surprise me. Maybe that's what they teach in government skools these days, I don't know, maybe they teach there is this SYSTEM you see, those Colonial Secessionists in 1776 didn't know what they were doing or what they fighting to preserve and achieve fo their colonies. That SYSTEM is this THING MAN!, that didn't have a starting point MAN! It just evolved out of CHAOS and CHAOS will determine where it will go because CHAOS rules MAN and destroying those pillars of CHAOS is not COOL MAN!

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What's wrong with chucking defective babies off a cliff ?

Sounds like pinky has a high horse of his own while he sits in judgement of others (common trait)

But where you do you get morality when you don't even believe in universal unchanging logic?

For all you know the universe has changed & chucking unwanted babies off cliffs is good.

We've been through this before Ben. Which is why you no longer have confidence in your previous proclaimed faith in Atheism
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#153 Posted:
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4 pages of dudes who identify as dudes discussing a woman's womb and the little life within.

I don't know which is worse: The anti-choice crowd or the anti-life one.


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I identify as a lesbian, thank you very much
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#155 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
The fact that you don't know what form of government we were supposed to have doesn't surprise me. Maybe that's what they teach in government skools these days, I don't know, maybe they teach there is this SYSTEM you see, those Colonial Secessionists in 1776 didn't know what they were doing or what they fighting to preserve and achieve fo their colonies. That SYSTEM is this THING MAN!, that didn't have a starting point MAN! It just evolved out of CHAOS and CHAOS will determine where it will go because CHAOS rules MAN and destroying those pillars of CHAOS is not COOL MAN!



Just shows your naivity of systems... they evolve... that's kind of their thing. They do it whether you like it or not... can you believe that sh*t?
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This girl 100% nails the Roe v Wade decision... I mean, she whacked that fkn mole right back down into it's hole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2S4wrx2LT0
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I dreamed about drowning in an ocean made out of orange soda last night. It took me a while to figure out it was just a Fanta sea.
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
I dreamed about drowning in an ocean made out of orange soda last night. It took me a while to figure out it was just a Fanta sea.


Nope. That’s spam. Get that crap off my thread.
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
I identify as a lesbian, thank you very much


I KNEW there was something different about you when we met! Gonz
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HockeyDad wrote:
Nope. That’s spam. Get that crap off my thread.

Ain't the first on this one. You're slackin'
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Dg west deptford wrote:
What's wrong with chucking defective babies off a cliff ?

Sounds like pinky has a high horse of his own while he sits in judgement of others (common trait)

But where you do you get morality when you don't even believe in universal unchanging logic?

For all you know the universe has changed & chucking unwanted babies off cliffs is good.

We've been through this before Ben. Which is why you no longer have confidence in your previous proclaimed faith in Atheism


I heard humans don't create the systems they are victims of, they are just the victims of systems that evolve from the CHAOS of the MATRIX. Something like that, I think, but I really don't know what the FRANK is going through Ben's drug-addled mind most of the time.

Speaking of chucking defective babies off a cliff, although the Biden administration is trying to downplay it, the use of federal lands to set up baby butcher shops is really on the lizard peoples' table of dreams.

Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Patty Murray (D-Wash.) led a group of 23 Senate Democrats calling on Biden to explore a range of executive actions. Among their ideas:

* Allowing abortions to be performed on federal property. Like AOC's fantasy of ushering in a brave new commie world through Fabian gradualism, “There are also actions at President Biden’s disposal that he can mobilize,” AOC said at a Friday protest. “I’ll start with the babiest of the babiest of baby steps: Open abortion clinics on federal lands in red states right now.”

Warren told Caroline Kitchener of the Washington Post that the administration could set up “Planned Parenthood outposts on the edges of national parks.”

“They could put up tents, have trained personnel — and be there to help people who need it,” she said. “It’s time to declare a medical emergency.”

The Congressional Black Caucus also called on Biden to declare a public health emergency around abortion to “utilize additional flexibilities and deploy resources where necessary.”

* Kamala tried to poo-poo those ambitious plans though, instead, she's for providing vouchers for women to travel out of state to get an abortion.






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RayRay wrote:
I heard humans don't create the systems they are victims of, they are just the victims of systems that evolve from the CHAOS of the MATRIX. Something like that, I think, but I really don't know what the FRANK is going through Ben's drug-addled mind most of the time.


That's actually more likely to be true than what ever it is that you believe.

RayRay wrote:

Speaking of chucking defective babies off a cliff, although the Biden administration is trying to downplay it, the use of federal lands to set up baby butcher shops is really on the lizard peoples' table of dreams.


Good luck with that, Natives have their own problems...


RayRay wrote:

Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Patty Murray (D-Wash.) led a group of 23 Senate Democrats calling on Biden to explore a range of executive actions. Among their ideas:

* Allowing abortions to be performed on federal property. Like AOC's fantasy of ushering in a brave new commie world through Fabian gradualism, “There are also actions at President Biden’s disposal that he can mobilize,” AOC said at a Friday protest. “I’ll start with the babiest of the babiest of baby steps: Open abortion clinics on federal lands in red states right now.”

Warren told Caroline Kitchener of the Washington Post that the administration could set up “Planned Parenthood outposts on the edges of national parks.”

“They could put up tents, have trained personnel — and be there to help people who need it,” she said. “It’s time to declare a medical emergency.”



That's actually not a bad idea.

RayRay wrote:


The Congressional Black Caucus also called on Biden to declare a public health emergency around abortion to “utilize additional flexibilities and deploy resources where necessary.”

* Kamala tried to poo-poo those ambitious plans though, instead, she's for providing vouchers for women to travel out of state to get an abortion.



Good stuff too.

Like I've said before... it must be nice to be right all the time... to look at an enraged country that realizes the people you put in power are just going to sh*t all over everyone and do what they want, when they want, to who they want without regard to consequences... Probably going to mean the end of the Republican party. It's got taint on it now so deeply engrained, anyone who's not one of you looks at "Republicans" like devolved monkeys now...



But none of you see it... at least not yet. You will.
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bgz wrote:
anyone who's not one of you looks at "Republicans" like devolved monkeys now...







Q: Are we not Men?

A: We are DEVO!
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Ain't the first on this one. You're slackin'


Maybe they were just tangential enough. I dunno. I heard the entire United States is now coming to an immediate end thanks to Roe versus Wade being overturned. Apparently it was the only thing holding the country together.
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Any joke can be funny with the right delivery. Except Abortion jokes, because there is no delivery.

Tangential!
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Having an abortion will make you so tired… it literally sucks the life out you.
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How many of the people that are all upset about this ruling and spout of on "My Body, My Choice" or similar type of arguments... Then, how many of them were preaching that people should be forced to get injected with an experimental "vaccine?"

If that's you... you're a hypocrite.

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Let's keep in mind that the decision DID NOT OUTLAW abortions. Just said the Federal government, per the Constitution, overstepped it's bounds and it's a State issue not a Federal issue.

My personal thoughts is it should be left up to the individual to decide for themselves based on their individual situation. The government should not have any part in that decision and be 100% neutral.

Another thing to add to this sticky wicket: It takes a male and a female to put the parts together to make a baby. Should the male have any input on whether the baby can be aborted or is it 100% the female's choice? I realize that the female has 100% responsibility during the gestation period, but where does the male's rights to the baby enter into the equation?

What if the male wants to and has the means to raise and take care of the kid even if the female doesn't want any part of it. I guess this comes down to a surrogate mother type of thing. This would open a new can of worm as I believe that you can't force the mother to go through with the pregnancy and child birth against her will. But shouldn't the father's wishes enter into the equation to some degree?

I don't have an answer to that.
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One six NINE!
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BuckyB93 wrote:
How many of the people that are all upset about this ruling and spout of on "My Body, My Choice" or similar type of arguments... Then, how many of them were preaching that people should be forced to get injected with an experimental "vaccine?"

If that's you... you're a hypocrite.



*cough* BREWHA *cough*
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HockeyDad wrote:
Having an abortion will make you so tired… it literally sucks the life out you.



Applause Applause made me send coffee out through my nose...can you put a laptop in the dishwasher?
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Just heard there is question on how many Morning After pills (Plan B) a person can buy at one time.

Shouldn’t there be at least a three day waiting period or an outright ban because of potential death of……… children?
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We need a 3 day waiting period on being dump. How hard is it to use a condom and spermacide?
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BuckyB93 wrote:
How many of the people that are all upset about this ruling and spout of on "My Body, My Choice" or similar type of arguments... Then, how many of them were preaching that people should be forced to get injected with an experimental "vaccine?"

If that's you... you're a hypocrite.



TRUE...TRUE...

Tom DiLorenzo even raised the question today, wasn't Rush Limbaugh right on the money when he coined the word “Femi-Nazi”?

Rush Limbaugh was Right

by Thomas DiLorenzo

Quote:
Rush Limbaugh coined the word “Femi-Nazi” to describe, in his words, women who seem to have the primary goal in life the maximization of abortions in American society. They are not “pro-choice” but pro-abortion. That’s why all of them were all on board with forced government injections of Pfizer chemical cocktails, and acted hysterically, of course, in response to anyone who objected to it. Perhaps they always believed Bill Gates when he announced in his famous pre-“covid” Ted Talk that “we” can reduce the world population of “we do a really good job” with “vaccines.”

They desperately want to continue the mass murder of babies, and some of them are even now admitting it on television. If such people are not possessed by the Devil, then no one is possessed by the Devil. Some are eugenicists like the founder of Planned Parenthood Margaret Sanger; some are Malthusian environmentalists who believe that more human beings = death of “the planet”; some are just evil, miserable people who hate and despise other humans, who they believe are “deplorable” and the cause of their own failures and shortcomings (including failing to be elected president in 2016).

Rush Limbaugh was apparently chastised by his corporate sponsors about his perfectly legitimate label for these cretins because he quit using it for the last several years of his show. That’s a shame, for it may have quickened the public’s realization of just who these people are.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/rush-limbaugh-was-right-2/





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For the people who are happy about the SCOTUS decision:

Several states are likely to enact 100% (or close to it) abortion bans. Here is my question for you: what level of police/surveillance apparatus would be required to enforce a total abortion ban? Would pregnant women be required to check in every 2 weeks to prove they're still pregnant? Would there be undercover cops doing sting operations on doctors' offices to see if they are performing illegal abortions? If a woman has a miscarriage in her toilet, would she be required to collect and submit the ejected fetus for an autopsy? Would the woman who miscarried be required to submit to some sort of blood/urine test to determine whether or not they took any drugs that caused the miscarriage?

Here's the real question I'm getting at: what level of police/surveillance apparatus would YOU be comfortable with?

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8trackdisco wrote:
Just heard there is question on how many Morning After pills (Plan B) a person can buy at one time.

Shouldn’t there be at least a three day waiting period or an outright ban because of potential death of……… children?


Torches, pitchforks, and Plan B pills!
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Speyside2 wrote:
We need a 3 day waiting period on being dump. How hard is it to use a condom and spermacide?


They eat Tide pods.
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borndead1 wrote:
For the people who are happy about the SCOTUS decision:

Several states are likely to enact 100% (or close to it) abortion bans. Here is my question for you: what level of police/surveillance apparatus would be required to enforce a total abortion ban? Would pregnant women be required to check in every 2 weeks to prove they're still pregnant? Would there be undercover cops doing sting operations on doctors' offices to see if they are performing illegal abortions? If a woman has a miscarriage in her toilet, would she be required to collect and submit the ejected fetus for an autopsy? Would the woman who miscarried be required to submit to some sort of blood/urine test to determine whether or not they took any drugs that caused the miscarriage?

Here's the real question I'm getting at: what level of police/surveillance apparatus would YOU be comfortable with?



Did any of that happen before Roe versus Wade?

I don’t think it would not be a police thing/more of a social worker thing. I think that’s how the defunding of the police works.

I suppose if a state made providing an abortion illegal with criminal penalties there could be police involvement but I suspect it will be enforced more at the medical licensing level. Unlicensed doctors do exist.

It would be easier to hop a flight to California where we will have free abortions up to the moment of crowning available in major airports. We’ll set up abortion arrivals lounges. With Roe versus Wade out of the way I suspect we will see free abortion on demand up until the moment of escape being legal in some states.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Did any of that happen before Roe versus Wade?


New laws require official penalties and mechanisms of enforcement.
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borndead1 wrote:
New laws require official penalties and mechanisms of enforcement.


Well in that case the law already spells out what level of police/surveillance apparatus you’re going to get and if you've not done anything wrong you would be comfortable with it.
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8trackdisco wrote:
Just heard there is question on how many Morning After pills (Plan B) a person can buy at one time.

Shouldn’t there be at least a three day waiting period or an outright ban because of potential death of……… children?

No. What will waiting 3 additional days do?
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rfenst wrote:
No. What will waiting 3 additional days do?


What will waiting 10 days for me to possess my handgun after I buy it, do? Especially if I already have 4 of them?
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Bucky wrote:
"My personal thoughts is it should be left up to the individual to decide for themselves based on their individual situation. The government should not have any part in that decision and be 100% neutral."

would you have described yourself as pro-choice before this happened?
You know me, I'm really just asking, not setting a trap.
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It’s a trap.
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sssshhhhhhh!
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I'm gonna use the old "Reach into my pocket for some Plan B" trick. They'll fall for it, they've already made bad choices;-p
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HockeyDad wrote:
Well in that case the law already spells out what level of police/surveillance apparatus you’re going to get and if you've not done anything wrong you would be comfortable with it.



I'm not catching what you're throwing here. What do you mean?
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My wife just found out I replaced our bed with a trampoline; she hit the roof.
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frankj1 wrote:
Bucky wrote:
"My personal thoughts is it should be left up to the individual to decide for themselves based on their individual situation. The government should not have any part in that decision and be 100% neutral."

would you have described yourself as pro-choice before this happened?
You know me, I'm really just asking, not setting a trap.


My position hasn't changed on this topic since I was adult enough to understand it. I wouldn't call myself pro-choice or pro-life (two names from either side chosen to put positive spin on the side they chose). If I were to call myself in favor of pro-choice that doesn't mean I'm anti-life. If I call myself pro-life that doesn't mean I'm anti-choice.

Personally, I'm not a fan of abortions. That just me. It's a gut and heart feeling and not based on any organized religion stance or any political stance.

I can't put myself in the person's shoes who decides that they want to have one. Who am I to say yes or no? It's not up to me to say one way or another. I would hope the person that makes the decision one way or another does some deep thinking about it before acting. Have some talks with friends, family, the other person who they were/are with, any other trusted outside person (maybe a counselor, a spiritual leader of their faith if they have one, ect).

Ultimately I have no say on what they should do. Ultimately I will not tell them what to do. If it was someone I was close with and I was the other contributor to the conception and it was something that we didn't actively plan on, I would hope that I would be consulted before either abort or not abort was decided. It would take both of us some deep reflection and discussion on what to do.

If it was a close friend of mine or a sibling asking for advice and I was not a contributor to the conception, I would try to stay neutral and let her make her own decision but try to help her weigh the pros and cons of the decision.

What I do strongly believe is that it's an individual(s) decision. Government has no place prohibiting it nor promoting it in any way. It's a very tangled web and very emotional and passionate for many people. If pro-life groups want to support their cause and stance, that's fine. Use your own money, donations or fund raisers to support it. If pro-choice groups want to support their cause and stance, that's fine too. Use your own money or donations or fund raisers to fund it.

A rather long winded explanation and I'm not sure that answers your question - but there it is from my point of view.

Uno ate NINE!
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BuckyB93 wrote:
My position hasn't changed on this topic since I was adult enough to understand it. I wouldn't call myself pro-choice or pro-life (two names from either side chosen to put positive spin on the side they chose). If I were to call myself in favor of pro-choice that doesn't mean I'm anti-life. If I call myself pro-life that doesn't mean I'm anti-choice.

Personally, I'm not a fan of abortions. That just me. It's a gut and heart feeling and not based on any organized religion stance or any political stance.

I can't put myself in the person's shoes who decides that they want to have one. Who am I to say yes or no? It's not up to me to say one way or another. I would hope the person that makes the decision one way or another does some deep thinking about it before acting. Have some talks with friends, family, the other person who they were/are with, any other trusted outside person (maybe a counselor, a spiritual leader of their faith if they have one, ect).

Ultimately I have no say on what they should do. Ultimately I will not tell them what to do. If it was someone I was close with and I was the other contributor to the conception and it was something that we didn't actively plan on, I would hope that I would be consulted before either abort or not abort was decided. It would take both of us some deep reflection and discussion on what to do.

If it was a close friend of mine or a sibling asking for advice and I was not a contributor to the conception, I would try to stay neutral and let her make her own decision but try to help her weigh the pros and cons of the decision.

What I do strongly believe is that it's an individual(s) decision. Government has no place prohibiting it nor promoting it in any way. It's a very tangled web and very emotional and passionate for many people. If pro-life groups want to support their cause and stance, that's fine. Use your own money, donations or fund raisers to support it. If pro-choice groups want to support their cause and stance, that's fine too. Use your own money or donations or fund raisers to fund it.

A rather long winded explanation and I'm not sure that answers your question - but there it is from my point of view.

Uno ate NINE!

98.2% with you.
I do call myself pro choice, though I could never have chosen abortion if it ever came to that.
Couldn't have lived with it.

But it's no one else's f ucking business.
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so my trap caught a friend who eloquently expressed sincere and deeply thought out opinions.

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I knew it wasn't a trap, you don't play games like that.

If we have to make it binary, black or white, pro-choice vs pro-life (I still can't accept those titles as picking one "title" doesn't mean you reject the other).

If I had to pick one of them to pigeon hole me, I'd hesitantly have to say pro-choice... which would mean the choice of the individual who is mostly committed to and has to live with the results off the decision. That doesn't mean I'm anti-life.

Now, when I say choice of the individual who is mostly committed to and has to live with the results off the decision that is a sticky wicket.

Folks will say that the individual who is mostly committed to the decision is the fetus/unborn baby and the fetus/unborn baby has no say in the decision. When does the rights of the fetus/unborn baby enter into the equation?

That's another thing I have no answer to.
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BuckyB93 wrote:
I knew it wasn't a trap, you don't play games like that.

If we have to make it binary, black or white, pro-choice vs pro-life (I still can't accept those titles as picking one "title" doesn't mean you reject the other).

If I had to pick one of them to pigeon hole me, I'd hesitantly have to say pro-choice... which would mean the choice of the individual who is mostly committed to and has to live with the results off the decision. That doesn't mean I'm anti-life.

Now, when I say choice of the individual who is mostly committed to and has to live with the results off the decision that is a sticky wicket.

Folks will say that the individual who is mostly committed to the decision is the fetus/unborn baby and the fetus/unborn baby has no say in the decision. When does the rights of the fetus/unborn baby enter into the equation?

That's another thing I have no answer to.

I have similar struggles.
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For me it depends on if the kid is mine and if my wife is involved.. Mellow
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it isn't.
she wasn't.

go hit the lake wif a clear conscience.
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I dunno how to handle all this reasonableness on this last page. Is this still the politics forum? It's kinda nice!

Never been a choice for me personally. But, at the same time I'm not sure I'm pro either side. It's a tough one.


Edit: Got excited and checked the other threads. Yup, still the politics forum;-p
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If yer looking for unreasonable, I'm your man.
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RayR wrote:
If yer looking for unreasonable, I'm your man.



Nah, I'm used to you. You're like an old comfortable pair of underwear. I know where you're going to support me and where you're going to let me down. You are no longer the new hot chick everyone wants. Mellow
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And just like his underwear, he doesn’t wash you.
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frankj1 wrote:
98.2% with you.
I do call myself pro choice, though I could never have chosen abortion if it ever came to that.
Couldn't have lived with it.

But it's no one else's f ucking business.

BINGO!
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