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RMAN4443 Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 09-29-2016
Posts: 7,683
I'm looking to purchase a Glock 19 gen 5 for personal and home protection, before it becomes impossible to do so...
any opinions on this model, pros or cons, or better choices for above stated purposes?

Thanks in advance for all comments, particularly the ones that are actually helpful...
bgz Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 07-29-2014
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17 is bigger and easier to shoot if you don't plan on carrying it.

Otherwise, good choice, never heard a bad thing about the 19.
ZRX1200 Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 57,417
The nice thing about the Gen 5 is the trigger doesn’t really need fixed, and you have an ambi mag release.

Two thing I would add, mag flare makes reloading easier and I like what it does to the grip shape wise for handling. If you have bear paws though you won’t like it. Second change the stock sights. The polymer stock Glock sights are trash. I don’t mind the rear square outline, some hate it, I hate polymer sights on a pistol. Truglow TFX Pro are awesome.

Glock 19 MOS you can put an optic on it without having the slide milled. Or you can get an aftermarket slide. Zaffirri Precision is my go to.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2017
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I recommend trying as many models as you're able. Then you can determine what feels/shoots best for you. I started the process certain I wanted a Beretta, and ended it as another CZ fanboy
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted:
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^ CZs are awesome love the triggers, but they’re heavy.
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted:
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Canick is really good for the money btw.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#7 Posted:
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Agreed. The weight was actually part of what I liked about it
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Home defense and range time they would be perfect.
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
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Was looking at the Canick TP9SFX a few months ago.. might have to look again.. Mellow
MACS Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 75,400
I have a G19... not sure what Gen, but it's at least 10 years old. I also have a Glock 43 and a Beretta M9.

The 19 is a compact, but it's still too damn bulky and heavy for CC, IMO. Which is why I got the 43.

The Beretta M9 is my favorite, hands down, but that's likely because I carried it for years in the Navy and shot, quite literally, thousands and thousands of rounds through it. So if it comes down to an "oh, sh*t" moment... muscle memory will take over and I'll be fine.

My buddy Mike is the SW regional sales rep for Sig Sauer. If I was going to buy another gun it would probably be the Sig P226 MK25.
Gene363 Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
Posts: 28,210
Sunoverbeach wrote:
I recommend trying as many models as you're able. Then you can determine what feels/shoots best for you. I started the process certain I wanted a Beretta, and ended it as another CZ fanboy


This, except, I like Berettas more than CZs. but Gran Power and Stryer best of all Steyr.

Rental ranges are a good place to start.

If it's got to be a Glock 19, there are some Turkish Glock copies that are good, but I recommend the Palmetto State Armory Dagger: https://palmettostatearmory.com/palmetto-dagger.html
ZRX1200 Offline
#12 Posted:
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Dagger is great for the price but the trigger sucks donkey balls.

MACS should say “GEN __” on the side of the slide. You can also tell by the trigger shoe, mag release and guide spring.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#13 Posted:
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To clarify, I don't dislike the Beretta, it's just the one I tried had a tendency to eject every 3rd to 5th casing directly to my forehead. I assume this was a shop maintenance issue of some sort, but I was put off a bit by that
Whistlebritches Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 04-23-2006
Posts: 21,708
While I do love my Brownings my carry is a Glock 26,it practically eats,sleeps and schits with me.I can see myself with a 43 in the very near future.IMHO ya just can't go wrong with a Glock regardless of model.
Gene363 Offline
#15 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Dagger is great for the price but the trigger sucks donkey balls.

MACS should say “GEN __” on the side of the slide. You can also tell by the trigger shoe, mag release and guide spring.



Glock triggers are easy to improve.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,337
Screw the Glock. Get a ZF-1
MACS Offline
#17 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
MACS should say “GEN __” on the side of the slide. You can also tell by the trigger shoe, mag release and guide spring.


Doesn't say Gen anything... but there is a 1 G on the slide, so it looks like a Gen 1.
RMAN4443 Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 09-29-2016
Posts: 7,683
Thanks guys, lots of good stuff to research.
The Dagger looks like I need to look into a little more. I also like the idea of going to the local rental range and trying some of them out.
Stogie1020 Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 12-19-2019
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If your are at rental range, give the Sig p365 and S+W M+P Sheild lines a try too.

Glocks just never fit the shape of my dainty hands. I carried a 17 and a 19 for work, but switched to 1911s. John Browning must have had a mold for my hand when he designed the 1911.
madspackler Offline
#20 Posted:
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You will need to decide if you want a concealed carry or home/range gun before you make a final choice. I have a Taurus G2C for cc. Inherited my FIL's FN Browning 9mm Hi Power that I keep for home and range use. He was a weapons design engineer for the Army and did not care for the 1911's low capacity. Got himself qualified to carry the Browning as his side arm. Both guns hold 14 rounds. For the price, the G2C is hard to beat. Picked one up a few years back for $200 on sale.
RMAN4443 Offline
#21 Posted:
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madspackler wrote:
You will need to decide if you want a concealed carry or home/range gun before you make a final choice. I have a Taurus G2C for cc. Inherited my FIL's FN Browning 9mm Hi Power that I keep for home and range use. He was a weapons design engineer for the Army and did not care for the 1911's low capacity. Got himself qualified to carry the Browning as his side arm. Both guns hold 14 rounds. For the price, the G2C is hard to beat. Picked one up a few years back for $200 on sale.

I'm actually looking for a "One Size Fits All" model...I need something for home defense and CC due to a
night shift involving $$$ deposits...
I really don't want the attention Open carry can draw
Cheno Offline
#22 Posted:
Joined: 06-06-2019
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Buy 2.

2 is 1 and 1 is none.
Dg west deptford Offline
#23 Posted:
Joined: 05-25-2019
Posts: 2,807
Too many guns ?

Buy some SWBI

Picked up some Smith & Wesson today @$14.42
Ex-Dividend date coming soon

My Ruger RGR trigger was almost pulled today as well so I set it a little lower since I'm flush with S&W.

BuckyB93 Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 07-16-2004
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I think a Tommy Gun would be cool. Or one of those WW2 M3 grease guns.

Neither would fit your purpose but I think they'd be cool to own.

I'm seriously thinking of putting together another PVC potato gun. I had a couple of them a handful of years back but I think I left them at my friend's camp in Maine. They could easily could launch a potato about 100 yds. Blasted a 5 inch hole in the side of the outhouse when my friend was on the $hitter. 1/2" weathered chipboard was no match for a potato gun at close range.

Good times.

Tater gun wouldn't fit your purposes either but it would probably leave a nice welt or goose egg on the intruder's forehead. However, you'd have to convince them to hold off for a minute or so while you rammed a tater down the barrel and charged the combustion chamber.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#25 Posted:
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I was going to go with the get 2 advice. At least to start with
KingoftheCove Offline
#26 Posted:
Joined: 10-08-2011
Posts: 6,696
Y’all a bunch of bottom feeders!
642-1………. Never leave home without it.
GP100 when heading out to the woods.

Both when things might get weird.
MACS Offline
#27 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 75,400
RMAN4443 wrote:
I'm actually looking for a "One Size Fits All" model...I need something for home defense and CC due to a
night shift involving $$$ deposits...
I really don't want the attention Open carry can draw


One size does not fit all... if you want to be comfortable, get the 43. I'm telling you as an owner of both the 19 and the 43... it's much easier to carry, not as heavy, easier to conceal, but holds less ammo.

Get 2 guns, bro.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#28 Posted:
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Posts: 52,194
MACS wrote:
Get 2 guns, bro.



2?

Bless your little heart.

They're like potato chips and guitars...
MACS Offline
#29 Posted:
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I've only got 4 handguns... and a BB gun.

My Beretta mags hold 15 rds, too... OhMyGod
Gene363 Offline
#30 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
Posts: 28,210
My wife's carry gun is a Glock 43, she tried when the local women's gun group had a pro do some training. He did not like her grip on a Ruger so he had her try his 43, she shot out the X in a silhouette target, came home, and had me order her one.

Funny thing, I sucked with the 43, but have a 43, in .380, and I can shoot it very well. If I can carry a bigger pistol, it's a Steyer 9mm M9, but most of the time I wear shorts and have a Keltec P32 in my pocket. I count on minding my own business and the fact that most people don't want to get shot with anything. If I thought I was in serious danger, I could not avoid, I'd have a rifle.
ZRX1200 Offline
#31 Posted:
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Playing devils advocate for the two gun…..I run Strike Industry mag extensions on my 43, 8 rounds covers most reported shooting incidents. But man do I feel better running a +5 extension on a G19 mag.

But my main point for posting was weather and clothes. It’s nice to have a micro compact in the summer and a larger handgun in the colder months.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#32 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,337
BuckyB93 wrote:
...Or one of those WW2 M3 grease guns.

Neither would fit in your purse, but I think they'd be cool to own.
...


Sunoverbeach wrote:
I was going to go with the get 2 advice. At least to start with





LANA!!!!
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#33 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,337
BuckyB93 wrote:
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Tater gun wouldn't fit your purposes either but it would probably leave a nice welt or goose egg on the intruder's forehead. However, you'd have to convince them to hold off for a minute or so while you rammed a tater down the barrel and charged the combustion chamber.



Just make 3 of them, pistol size.

You'd be like SpudBeard the Feared Tater pirate of the high seas.... just not on the sea.


...but you can blanch in salt water. Pro cooking tip.
ZRX1200 Offline
#34 Posted:
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Danger zone.
Mr. Jones Offline
#35 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
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Find a nice used ARGENTINIAN HI-POWER
KNOCKOFF , and call it a day...

We used to shoot the crap outta cerveza bottles
With those things with old Nazi ammo from dusty crates...
When we got drunker...we broke out the British sten guns ...
Now that was f.u.n.
zitotczito Offline
#36 Posted:
Joined: 08-21-2006
Posts: 6,415
I am going to mention the Ruger Security 9. I am a senior and this gun really fit my hand well. It is a comfortable weight with a crisp light trigger. It is very accurate, and I like it much more than my G19 G3. This is my home defense gun, and I am very pleased with it.
Mr. Jones Offline
#37 Posted:
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I have heard very good things about the RUGER SECURITY 9
ON YOUTUBE videos..

I may even own one?
Bought a Ruger 9 mm 4-5 yrs ago really cheap on sale when guns went cheap...I didn't pay more than $249,
Maybe even $229???
Never fired it yet.
Holds 17 rounds , it is a FULL SIZE GUN not a compact or a concealed carry gun, it is for home defense...
Mr. Jones Offline
#38 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 16,867
Or #20 madspackler is CORRECT!!!!

THE TAURUS PT-111 AND G2C are awesome guns...
I have both...paid $209 and $215

Many after market magazines from mag-pro

15 Rd
25 Rd I have several of both and they never jam.

The TAURUS G2C IS A SUB COMPACT...
TECHNICALLY...BUT IT IS ALMOST a compact...great concealed carry...
Mr. Jones Offline
#39 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 16,867
Taurus now has a G3C AND A G4 TOO

THE PT-111 MILLENIUM WAS THE FIRST DESIGN THAT STARTED ALL OF THIS LINE...
Gene363 Offline
#40 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
Posts: 28,210
A new Glock Clone from Bul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPDIKGQzcZQ

Quote:
In this episode of TFBTV, James Reeves gets his hands on the BUL Armory Axe Cleaver, a higher-end Glock clone pistol. There are a number of clones on the market including higher end guns like the ZEV OZ-9 and the Shadow Systems pistols, and budget options like clones from Palmetto State Armory (the PSA Dagger) and Stoeger. Where does the BUL Armory Axe fall in the Glock clone hierarchy, what makes it different, and is it worth the money? Today on TFBTV, James gets to the bottom of it.
RabidRob Offline
#41 Posted:
Joined: 08-05-2020
Posts: 1
I carry a Springfield XDM in .40 cal. 3.8" barrel. Shoots where I look. Match trigger and barrel! At home the same weapon with 4.25" barrel. Both have mags with 16 rounds. Great shooter and snappy!
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