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Desantis: ‘We are not going to order’ child vaccines
rfenst Offline
#51 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Therein lies the problem. The nomenclature of the jab matters because the people are either lied to or over promised and under delivered.

Everyone has the right to get it.

Not everyone has the right to not get it. I was ordered to get it as were millions of others.

No one is being lied to and the efficacy statistics are available for all to obtain on their own- or through their favorite biased news source.

You were forced? If I remember correctly, you voluntarily chose to take a well-paying contract job in California, knowing all its b.s., and still chose to stay on even during covid. That's on you no matter how you play it.

And, before you play it, just remember all the great benefits of living there too.
HockeyDad Offline
#52 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
The thread really has nothing to do with the age-old CBID argument of the definition of "vaccine" and petty the arguments whether or not one should call it a "vaccine" are useless.


So does the vaccine provide immunity?
HockeyDad Offline
#53 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
No one is being lied to and the efficacy statistics are available for all to obtain on their own- or through their favorite biased news source.

You were forced? If I remember correctly, you voluntarily chose to take a well-paying contract job in California, knowing all its b.s., and still chose to stay on even during covid. That's on you no matter how you play it.

And, before you play it, just remember all the great benefits of living there too.


Federal government employees and federal government contractors were ordered to be vaccinated regardless of what state they lived in.
Speyside2 Offline
#54 Posted:
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HD, you keep deflecting on immunity because it does not fit what you want it to. As far as the appointment yes, also junior is slightly over one. We went though all the available data and studied it. We took a deep data dive. American data, EU data, Israel data, and all other available data. Raw data to be exact. We analyzed all age groups, and used numerous different metrics. His risk is approximately 0 from the vaccination. His risk from not being vaccinated is orders of magnitude higher. So to was not an easy decision to reach, but making the decision was a no brainer for us.

Now, you and I have been playing the game back and forth. This though is a serious question. Do you think we would give our son the vaccine if we did not 100% believe it is the best choice?
HockeyDad Offline
#55 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
HD, you keep deflecting on immunity because it does not fit what you want it to. As far as the appointment yes, also junior is slightly over one. We went though all the available data and studied it. We took a deep data dive. American data, EU data, Israel data, and all other available data. Raw data to be exact. We analyzed all age groups, and used numerous different metrics. His risk is approximately 0 from the vaccination. His risk from not being vaccinated is orders of magnitude higher. So to was not an easy decision to reach, but making the decision was a no brainer for us.

Now, you and I have been playing the game back and forth. This though is a serious question. Do you think we would give our son the vaccine if we did not 100% believe it is the best choice?


That the kind of hard decisions parents have to make. You got a thousand more of them to come!

If you cross that state line junior would be ordered to get that vaccine to attend school. This is the part I don’t like.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#56 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
So does the vaccine provide immunity?



Think Think Think

Lemme see...if I got 2 shots and was boosted against polio and I still got polio...I'd ask more questions...that's just me though.

Word salad be damned...people need to start using critical thinking skills because the talking heads on tv aren't working out for them.
MACS Offline
#57 Posted:
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^^BINGO.

Vaccines provide immunity. Polio, MMR, Anthrax, etc...

These shots have done NOTHING to slow the spread of covid. They have helped some old folks avoid death, but have also harmed many others.

The world is not, has never been, and will never be a "safe" place. Life is terminal.
rfenst Offline
#58 Posted:
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Lt's agree it is NOT a vaccine. Let's just all call it a shot!
What does that change? It is what it is.
I just find it ironic that those who don't believe in it and won't take it- are the adamant ones about how others rerefer to it
What franking business is it of their how it is referred to?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#59 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Lt's agree it is NOT a vaccine. Let's just all call it a shot!
What does that change? It is what it is.
I just find it ironic that those who don't believe in it and won't take it- are the adamant ones about how others rerefer to it
What franking business is it of their how it is referred to?



That is NOT what it was advertised as.

Fauci: If You’re Vaccinated, You’re Safe. If You’re Not, You’re At Risk

https://youtu.be/OrjMLONm-Bw

It's a Big Pharma cash grab...it's alphabet organizations with NO AUTHORITY stepping all over the Constitution. It's about Liberty dying faster than the grandma we here had to hear all about if we didn't follow the herd and mask up and get the jab.

It's MY business because it's MY money as a taxpayer and it's more my business because its MY health.
rfenst Offline
#60 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
That is NOT what it was advertised as.

Fauci: If You’re Vaccinated, You’re Safe. If You’re Not, You’re At Risk

https://youtu.be/OrjMLONm-Bw

It's a Big Pharma cash grab...it's alphabet organizations with NO AUTHORITY stepping all over the Constitution. It's about Liberty dying faster than the grandma we here had to hear all about if we didn't follow the herd and mask up and get the jab.

It's MY business because it's MY money as a taxpayer and it's more my business because its MY health.

No one EVER made you get it.
Sometimes we all pay tax dollars towards goods and services we politically (or medically) object to. It's the American way.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#61 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
No one EVER made you get it.
Sometimes we all pay tax dollars towards goods and services we politically (or medically) object to. It's the American way.



Did you read what HD stated? Now the results of the jabs and the boosts are showing up. The results are not good and almost everything they advertised was a complete and utter abject reversal to their claims.

I love the way you want to walk all over liberties and laws with whatever you find useful du jour.

That isn't the American way at all. What you want is more like the Jonestown way.

BuckyB93 Offline
#62 Posted:
Joined: 07-16-2004
Posts: 12,420
rfenst wrote:
No one is being lied to and the efficacy statistics are available for all to obtain on their own- or through their favorite biased news source.

You were forced? If I remember correctly, you voluntarily chose to take a well-paying contract job in California, knowing all its b.s., and still chose to stay on even during covid. That's on you no matter how you play it.

And, before you play it, just remember all the great benefits of living there too.


rfenst wrote:
No one EVER made you get it.
Sometimes we all pay tax dollars towards goods and services we politically (or medically) object to. It's the American way.


Sure, nobody was "forced" to get the shot but they (the government) started walking down the path of stripping your rights away and preventing you of doing common everyday things if you didn't get the shot.

Can't be get a job at a business with 100 or more employees with out getting the shot.
Can't attend public schools, colleges or universities without getting the shot.
Can't fly on commercial aircraft without getting the shot.
Can't use public transportation without getting the shot.
Can't cross state lines without getting the shot.
Can't enter private establishments like restaurants, bars, movie theaters, concerts venues, stores etc...
Can't enter public buildings like a court house, town hall, libraries, RMV, etc...
And on and on...

These are facts, not opinion.

Sure, you weren't forced to get the shot but if you didn't they (the government) tried to take away many of your unalienable rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That phase sounds kinda familiar... Oh yeah... it's part of one of the most sacred documents in US, if not world, history. Our government tried to trample on it if you didn't get the shot.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#63 Posted:
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Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#64 Posted:
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Why keep it political?


Why Aren’t More Republicans Highlighting The Risks Of Giving Infants Covid Shots?



The willingness of DeSantis to stand up and raise questions over the CDC and FDA’s decision-making process is a much-needed breath of fresh air.

A little over a week ago, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) authorized the first round of Pfizer and Moderna Covid-19 shots for infants as young as 6 months old. The decision came following a unanimous agreement among members of the FDA’s advisory panel, who recommended the jabs for children under the age of five.

“Together, with science leading the charge, we have taken another important step forward in our nation’s fight against COVID-19,” said CDC Director Rochelle Walensky in a statement on the matter. “We know millions of parents and caregivers are eager to get their young children vaccinated, and with today’s decision, they can.”

Walensky would later go on to falsely claim during a Thursday press conference that Covid-19 has been one of the top five causes of death for children since the beginning of its outbreak, making her the third CDC official this month to make this assertion.

In greenlighting the use of Covid jabs for infants, the CDC and FDA also officially made the United States the first country in the world to do so. U.S. President Joe Biden took to Twitter to celebrate the decision, saying that “For the first time in our fight against this pandemic, nearly every American can now have access to life-saving vaccines.”

Similar sentiments were also echoed by White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain, who repeatedly emphasized how America would be “the first country on earth to give mRNA vaccines to its youngest children.”
What Does the Science Say?

As has long been established, children are the least at-risk age demographic with respect to Covid-19. As of June 2, 2022, for instance, 0-to 17-year-olds comprised approximately 0.1 percent of the total Covid-related deaths in the United States. Recent studies conducted in Sweden and Germany have also documented similar trends, with both analyses finding Covid fatalities among healthy children in each European country to be nearly nonexistent.

In addition to children not being super-spreaders of the virus, research shows the majority of American children have already recovered from Covid and therefore possess immunity to reinfection. According to the CDC’s own data, approximately 75 percent of children in the United States have recovered from Covid. Numerous scientific studies have shown individuals previously infected with the virus possess robust natural immunity.

In light of such minimal risk to children and that the jabs don’t stop individuals from getting or spreading the virus, medical professionals have begun to raise concerns about the U.S. government’s push to vaccinate infants against Covid, given the risk of harmful side effects balanced against the potential benefits. While speaking with radio host Dan Bongino on Fox News, renowned cardiologist Dr. Peter McCullough expressed dismay at the FDA’s decision and noted the effects of the virus are “characteristically a mild syndrome in children” when compared to the elderly.

“We know even if [the vaccines are] used in kids, there won’t be any differences in rates of Covid-19 serious outcomes,” he said, referencing two studies on the subject. “There’s no reductions in hospitalizations and deaths in the randomized trials. And, Dan, we have no assurances that these are safe over the long term.”

Dr. Marty Makary, a surgeon and public policy researcher at Johns Hopkins University, also voiced concerns about the FDA and CDC’s actions and criticized the data the health agencies cited as justification for their position.

“There was NO STATISTICAL SIGNIFICANCE in the vaccine study cited by FDA &CDC to recommend the vax in babies through kids<5,” Makary said in a tweet. “Any respected medical journal would normally reject this study for publication. How does the CDC so vigorously recommend this with such strong language?”

Makary later expanded upon his assessment in a recent Fox News op-ed, saying the studies cited by the federal government “were too small to achieve statistical significance when evaluating efficacy against mild or severe COVID-19 infection.”


Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis a recent press conference also highlighted the medical concerns about giving healthy babies Covid shots.

“We are not gonna have any [state] programs where we’re trying to jab 6-month-old babies with mRNA. That’s just the reality,” he said, while referencing several data points on the subject. “The White House is bragging that we’re the only country that is trying to do mRNA shots for infants … There’s nothing wrong with being the lone ranger if you’re right, but the other countries in Europe that are going a different direction, similar to the direction Florida’s gone, they have been right on Covid way more than [Dr. Anthony] Fauci and his crew have been throughout this whole thing.”

Germany and France, along with Denmark, Finland, Sweden, and Norway, have all restricted the distribution of the Moderna Covid shots for individuals under the age of 30, all citing the documented risk of heart inflammation among young people as justification. Florida has also taken similar actions, with the state’s Department of Health becoming the first in the nation to recommend against the use of Covid shots for children back in March.

The willingness of DeSantis to listen to medical professionals who courageously raise questions about the CDC and FDA’s decision-making process is a much-needed breath of fresh air. For too long, America’s health bureaucracy has operated with little oversight, with agencies like the CDC and FDA apparently functioning as rubber stamps for Big Pharma rather than legitimate scientific institutions.

While the decision to vaccinate one’s child is an individual choice for parents, the blanket authorization from the CDC and FDA to jab infants against scientific evidence accepted by many scientists and peer nations deserves far greater scrutiny and investigation. Doing so, however, would mean acting in the best interests of their voters and the public, something Republicans frequently fail to do.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/28/why-arent-more-republicans-highlighting-the-risks-of-giving-infants-covid-shots/


You have to stand up for Liberty or be a slave.
Speyside2 Offline
#65 Posted:
Joined: 11-11-2021
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Event Type
mRNA-1273 100 µg
n/N1 (%)
Placebo
n/N1 (%)
Unsolicited adverse events n/N (%) n/N (%)
Unsolicited adverse event up to 28 days after any
injection 510/2486 (20.5) 197/1240 (15.9)
Non-serious unsolicited adverse event 509/2486 (20.5) 196/1240 (15.8)
Related non-serious unsolicited AE 312/2486 (12.6) 72/1240 (5.8)
Severe non-serious unsolicited AE 11/2486 (0.4) 1/1240 (<0.1)
Related severe non-serious unsolicited AE 9/2486 (0.4) 1/1240 (<0.1)
Medically attended adverse eventsb 203/2486 (8.2) 104/1240 (8.4)
Related MAAE 20/2486 (0.8) 6/1240 (0.5)
SAEb 6/2486 (0.2) 2/1240 (0.2)
Related SAE 0 0
AESI (MIS-C)b 0 0
Deathsb 0 0
AE leading to study discontinuation 1 0

Here is raw data from the Moderna study. The first percentage is from real shots. The second percentage is from placebo shots.

Of course it is up to you, to simply decide if the data a lie.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#66 Posted:
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All the problems fade before a hangover
DrMaddVibe Offline
#67 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
Of course it is up to you, to simply decide if the data a lie.


Not really up to me...at all.

Snake Oil: the most vaxxed country in Europe now has its worst COVID outcomes
Are those two things related?


Virtually every single adult in Portugal has taken at least two doses of “miracle cure” COVID vaccine, with the vast majority “boosted” as well. Yet this month, the most vaxxed country in Europe has consistently reported its worst outcomes.

Portugal remains the European Union country with the most new cases of Covid-19 per million inhabitants in the last seven days and is second in the world.

Portugal EU country with the most new Covid-19 casesPortugal remains the European Union (EU) country with the most new cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection per million inhabitants in the last seven days and is second in the world in this indicator. https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2022-06-20/portugal-eu-country-with-the-most-new-covid-19-cases/68056


Once thought to be the best positioned nation in Europe to deal with future bouts with the coronavirus, a nuclear bomb of reality has hit Lisbon.

Out of all the countries in Europe, “Portugal has experienced the most dramatic wave,” The Guardian reports. “With infections per million remaining at a seven-day average of 2,043 on Monday – the second highest new case rate in the world.”

It appears the “miracle cure” vaccines have not only not failed to curb the COVID issue, but has potentially made it worse.

https://dossier.substack.com/p/snake-oil-the-most-vaxxed-country



But hey...look what we all paid for....

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/biden-administration-inks-32-billion-deal-pfizer-105-million-covid-19-vaccines
Speyside2 Offline
#68 Posted:
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DOC, in #64 it was all about safety issues. So I posted raw data from Moderna's study. You jumped to poor efficacy and stated no need to decide and provided your proof, it has nothing to due with saftey, in fact it wasn't even about 6 month olds to 5 year olds. I enjoy when you have counter points or addition data. But the data or counter point needs to be applicable to what I posted. Nothing in #67 is.
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My therapist says I have a preoccupation with vengeance. We'll see about that.
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