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rfenst Offline
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Opinion: Democrats are overreacting about the Supreme Court


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With the end of the Supreme Court’s term, Democrats are denouncing the court as ideologically motivated, extreme, undemocratic, even destabilizing. Their angst is understandable, but it’s misguided.

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It’s understandable because, until recently, progressives were able to rely on the court to achieve or ratify many of their most important policy goals. It’s misguided for at least two reasons. First, this court is not ideologically motivated — that is, committed to conservative outcomes. It is committed to a textualist approach that sometimes will produce outcomes that political conservatives cheer and sometimes will infuriate them.

Second, Democratic warnings of a constitutional apocalypse — with the court supposedly poised to strip away Americans’ rights to contraception (Griswold v. Connecticut), homosexual sex (Lawrence v. Texas), same-sex marriage (Obergefell v. Hodges) and other rights not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution — are overblown. The court is not inclined to do any such thing.

Any impression that conservatives could rely on this court for conservative outcomes was dispelled on the final day of the term. The court upheld the Biden administration’s repeal of President Trump’s “Remain in Mexico” policy. It also declined to review New York state’s vaccine mandate for health-care workers, which lacks a religious exemption.

Given strong legal arguments on both sides of the “Remain in Mexico” debate, an ideologically motivated court could have found plenty of reasons to strike down the repeal. Instead, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh joined the court’s liberals in ruling it lawful, with Justice Amy Coney Barrett agreeing but for a procedural point. Similarly, the right-wing Supreme Court that Democrats imagine would have taken the vaccine case to cheers from conservatives. A few days earlier, the court disappointed law-and-order conservatives when it ruled 9 to 0 that convicting doctors allegedly operating opioid “pill mills” requires that they genuinely believed they were prescribing the medication improperly.

These mixed results are best understood by recognizing that this court is reliably conservative in the jurisprudential sense, rather than the ideological sense. That is, the majority — rather than pursuing a conservative policy agenda — is focusing on the text and intent of statutes and the Constitution, in contrast to the more flexible “living Constitution” approach popular on the left. While that often results in decisions that please conservatives, this court is not afraid to rule otherwise when that’s where textualism — or originalism, as many call it — leads.

And that’s how it should be. A court that never disappoints conservatives is likely a court that believes in a conservative version of the living Constitution.

As the majority in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization notes, “Americans hold sharply conflicting views” on abortion policy, but the Constitution is silent on the issue. For the textualist justices, that is the bottom line.

While textualism is not an exact science, it takes a lot of hand-waving to conjure up a right to abortion or even a broad right to privacy in the words of the Constitution, as written and amended. Nor can abortion rights be found among the common law rights that were implicitly incorporated into the Constitution. Roe v. Wade can’t change that fact. The issue must, therefore, be left to the democratic process.

Textualism easily explains the court’s other conservative decisions this term as well. The Second Amendment explicitly guarantees “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms.” Likewise, the court’s decisions on religion and the administrative state are firmly grounded in the text and intent of the First Amendment and the Constitution’s placement of lawmaking authority in the hands of Congress.

While this approach will often disappoint progressives, the rights to contraception and the like are in no danger. To start, the Dobbs decision cannot be used to undermine those rights because the court made clear that abortion is “critically different”; it involves ending what Roe called a “potential life” and “[n]othing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”

The parade of horribles trumpeted on the left assumes that the Dobbs majority has a hidden agenda to overturn other unenumerated rights. But there is no secret agenda. The conservative legal movement has been shouting for 40 years that Roe should be overruled. There are few if any voices in that movement calling to overrule Griswold, Lawrence or even the more recent Obergefell decision.

Those three decisions resulted in or from profound changes in our culture and in popular opinion. Roe never stuck in the same way. Regardless of what the court says about Griswold and Lawrence, the democratic process would prevent any state from outlawing contraception or homosexual sex. Bans on either have moved outside the Overton window, and prohibition of same-sex marriage is quickly moving in that direction.

What the future does hold is more controversial cases in the next Supreme Court term, including blockbuster cases on affirmative action and the power of state legislatures to set voting rules. Next term will tell us a lot more about the fortitude and vitality of this court’s conservative majority. I expect it will continue to be guided by principled textualism, fearing neither intense criticism from the left nor disappointment among some conservatives when those principles lead to liberal outcomes.
Stogie1020 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Quote:
Opinion: Democrats are overreacting



Yup...
ZRX1200 Offline
#3 Posted:
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They’re triangulating.

It’s red meat (vegan gluten free cage free) for the wackos and they hope to push the center further left. Same 💩 as always playing with violence and force with their ideas and the RepubliCANTS are playing by ignored ROI.
HockeyDad Offline
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Road to dictatorship:

Assassinate Supreme Court justices.
Pack the Supreme Court based on political ideology.

The Democrats have already embarked while propagating the “Big Lie” distraction.
bgz Offline
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Is that kinda like the alien distraction?
HockeyDad Offline
#6 Posted:
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Maybe a Universal Truth?
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HockeyDad wrote:
Road to dictatorship:

Assassinate Supreme Court justices.
Pack the Supreme Court based on political ideology.

The Democrats have already embarked while propagating the “Big Lie” distraction.

ignoring the assassination part until it happens, manipulating the placement of Supreme Court Justices is wrong no matter which of the currently large parties does it...(bigger picture/country over party and stuff)

like blocking the process of one side's nominee because the election is 8 months away (and getting your side to pick after taking over for one of the seats) and then pushing one through after voting has already started (voting that threw that side out)?

That kind of political ideology?

Do you really believe in what you espouse?

I ran out of parentheses.
Whistlebritches Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
ignoring the assassination part until it happens, manipulating the placement of Supreme Court Justices is wrong no matter which of the currently large parties does it...(bigger picture/country over party and stuff)

like blocking the process of one side's nominee because the election is 8 months away (and getting your side to pick after taking over for one of the seats) and then pushing one through after voting has already started (voting that threw that side out)?

That kind of political ideology?

Do you really believe in what you espouse?

I ran out of parentheses.



Frank Baby..........I bet you look fantastic in those rose colored glasses
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#9 Posted:
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all three of Trump's SCOTUS appointees signaled during their confirmation they would NOT over-turn Roe...

guess honesty is not a quality for a Justice of SCOTUS ...

the right didn't expect honesty from Trump, when he was their POTUS...they continue to support his lies...

bgz Offline
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delta1 wrote:
all three of Trump's SCOTUS appointees signaled during their confirmation they would NOT over-turn Roe...

guess honesty is not a quality for a Justice of SCOTUS ...

the right didn't expect honesty from Trump, when he was their POTUS...they continue to support his lies...



They all perjured themselves.

Isn't that a federal offense?

They should probably do something about that so they don't have to throw themselves in prison due to stupid laws and stuff.
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Frank Baby..........I bet you look fantastic in those rose colored glasses

I'm kinda pale so I look better in black, blue. or deep red, according to The Lovely Caren.

Hey! I said the actions would be wrong regardless of which side did it.
But in this time frame, McConnell did it. (check out his wife's family, source of income, and her previous job).

It can't be good just cuz we get the guy/gal we want.
RayR Online
#12 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
all three of Trump's SCOTUS appointees signaled during their confirmation they would NOT over-turn Roe...

guess honesty is not a quality for a Justice of SCOTUS ...

the right didn't expect honesty from Trump, when he was their POTUS...they continue to support his lies...




Should a potential judge declare his opinion on a case before a case has even reached court?
Did they lie? Or did they just tell the Dem Senators what they wanted to hear during confirmation?
frankj1 Offline
#13 Posted:
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Clarence just did as much, but that's fine.
bgz Offline
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RayR wrote:
Should a potential judge declare his opinion on a case before a case has even reached court?
Did they lie? Or did they just tell the Dem Senators what they wanted to hear during confirmation?


Yes, they lied and told the Dem Senators what they wanted to hear... under oath... in a country where they are supposed to be held to a higher standard... because they are judges.
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The only thing more important than your happiness is mine so get on it.
RayR Online
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bgz wrote:
Yes, they lied and told the Dem Senators what they wanted to hear... under oath... in a country where they are supposed to be held to a higher standard... because they are judges.


Since the question was purely hypothetical they could say whatever the Prog Senators wanted to hear. Dem Senators are pretty stupid and evil anyway. They like to be stroked with visions of blood-soaked fetuses.
bgz Offline
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
The only thing more important than your happiness is mine so get on it.


That's what the supreme court said!!!
bgz Offline
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RayR wrote:
Since the question was purely hypothetical they could say whatever the Prog Senators wanted to hear. Dem Senators are pretty stupid and evil anyway. They like to be stroked with visions of blood-soaked fetuses.


I think you're the one thinking of blood soaked fetuses... pretty sure that's not the thoughts going through anyone else's mind.

You paint a disgusting picture... which implies you have disgusting thoughts.

Oh, and you lie again... (SHOCKER!!!!)

Here... their actual answers, not some stupid sh*t from some source with a stupid wordpress site:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMpGEwwQNbM

Perjurers!!!!

Seriously, they should be imprisoned... they blatantly lied under oath to obtain a seat on the supreme court.

To the RayOnites (not sure what to call you guys, you need a name because RayR wouldn't be happy unless I gave you a cutesy name)...

You know why it's so hard to argue with you RayOnites?

Because you guys believe in delusional sh*t then when presented with actual facts, actual information, you think they are full of sh*t...

When really it's you... it's always been you.

Look into what causes people to believe in conspiracy theories. It affects most the population in one way or another. There is just a huge trough of information on this topic. I've found it fascinating for a long time.

People like Ray exploit that.

Like The Eurithmics said, some of them want to use you, some of them want to be used by you!

Like GI Joe said, knowing is half the battle.


HockeyDad Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
ignoring the assassination part until it happens, manipulating the placement of Supreme Court Justices is wrong no matter which of the currently large parties does it...(bigger picture/country over party and stuff)

like blocking the process of one side's nominee because the election is 8 months away (and getting your side to pick after taking over for one of the seats) and then pushing one through after voting has already started (voting that threw that side out)?

That kind of political ideology?

Do you really believe in what you espouse?

I ran out of parentheses.


Ignoring the assassination part…because there is a guy currently charged with attempting to assassinate a Supreme Court judge? Yup. Ignore that.

Ignore packing the Supreme Court because one political party is advocating taking over the government through that action? Yup ignore that.

Blocking one side’s nominee? Did that Garland fella have any chance of getting confirmed? I know the radical far left likes to complain about that but the fact is he wasn’t going to get confirmed. From what I’ve seen the closest he should be to the Supreme Court is parking cars.

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#20 Posted:
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Was that another STRAW MAN TANTRUM Ben? Think
I think so, it was definitely a TANTRUM.
RayR Online
#21 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Ignoring the assassination part…because there is a guy currently charged with attempting to assassinate a Supreme Court judge? Yup. Ignore that.

Ignore packing the Supreme Court because one political party is advocating taking over the government through that action? Yup ignore that.

Blocking one side’s nominee? Did that Garland fella have any chance of getting confirmed? I know the radical far left likes to complain about that but the fact is he wasn’t going to get confirmed. From what I’ve seen the closest he should be to the Supreme Court is parking cars.



Frank doesn't like it when you say bad things about radical far-left extremists.
HockeyDad Offline
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bgz wrote:

Seriously, they should be imprisoned... they blatantly lied under oath to obtain a seat on the supreme court.



Another call from the radical left to imprison anyone that disagrees.


Interesting note….

Row versus Wade would never have been overturned if it wasn’t for pro-abortion groups suing over an abortion ban after 15 weeks in Mississippi. Killing up to 15 weeks wasn’t good enough.
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bgz wrote:
They all perjured themselves.

Isn't that a federal offense?

They should probably do something about that so they don't have to throw themselves in prison due to stupid laws and stuff.



Justice Amy Coney Barrett:

In her 2020 hearing, Barrett was pressed on why she would characterize Brown v. Board of Education, but not Roe V. Wade, as super precedent.

“Roe is not a super precedent because calls for its overruling have never ceased, but that does not mean that Roe should be overruled. It just means that it doesn’t fall on the small handful of cases like Marbury v. Madison and Brown v. The Board that no one questions anymore,” she said.



Justice Brett Kavanaugh

In his 2018 confirmation hearing, Kavanaugh was questioned repeatedly about Roe and Casey.

“It is important precedent of the Supreme Court that has been reaffirmed many times,” Kavanaugh said of Roe. “It is not as if it is just a run of the mill case that was decided and never been reconsidered, but Casey specifically reconsidered it, applied the stare decisis factors, and decided to reaffirm it. That makes Casey a precedent on precedent.”

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., pressed him to say it was settled law, but Kavanaugh declined to say so by arguing it would diminish the independence of the judiciary. When questioned by conservative senators, though, he said there’s a model for overruling settled precedents, that begins with evaluating whether the prior decision was “grievously wrong.”

“You follow the decision that has been set forth by the Supreme Court, subject to the rules of stare decisis. And you see that time and again. That is part of stability. That is part of predictability. That is part of impartiality. That is part of public confidence in the rule of law that it is not just going to move pillar to post, that the law is stable and foundational,” he said. “Again, it is not — Brown v. Board shows it is not absolute. And that is a good thing, but it is critically important to the impartiality and stability and predictability of the law.”



Justice Neil Gorsuch

Gorsuch, in 2017, would only characterize Roe as “a precedent of the U.S. Supreme Court” reaffirmed by several subsequent cases. He went on to say that precedent fills out U.S. law.

“Once a case is settled, that adds to the determinacy of the law. What was once a hotly contested issue is no longer a hotly contested issue. We move forward,” he added.


Beer

Abrignac Offline
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Another good read on what Trump’s nominee’s said during their hearings as it pertained to Roe.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/05/what-gorsuch-kavanaugh-and-barrett-said-about-roe-at-confirmation-hearings/

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frankj1 wrote:
ignoring the assassination part until it happens, manipulating the placement of Supreme Court Justices is wrong no matter which of the currently large parties does it...(bigger picture/country over party and stuff)

like blocking the process of one side's nominee because the election is 8 months away (and getting your side to pick after taking over for one of the seats) and then pushing one through after voting has already started (voting that threw that side out)?

That kind of political ideology?

Do you really believe in what you espouse?

I ran out of parentheses.


Yes, that was wrong. Imagine what the boards here would look like if the Dems pulled a scheme like that.

The End always justifies the Means depending on whether you don the red or blue jersey.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Ignoring the assassination part…because there is a guy currently charged with attempting to assassinate a Supreme Court judge? Yup. Ignore that.

Ignore packing the Supreme Court because one political party is advocating taking over the government through that action? Yup ignore that.

Blocking one side’s nominee? Did that Garland fella have any chance of getting confirmed? I know the radical far left likes to complain about that but the fact is he wasn’t going to get confirmed. From what I’ve seen the closest he should be to the Supreme Court is parking cars.




It's apparent as AG that he doesn't follow the laws of the Land.

Personally, if this is the "hill" the DNC wants to die on...let them. They built it. They really believe this is going to be some "Get Out The Vote" issue. It's not. This is another in a long string of political misfirings that this terrorist organization finds itself on the wrong side of.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
It's apparent as AG that he doesn't follow the laws of the Land.

Personally, if this is the "hill" the DNC wants to die on...let them. They built it. They really believe this is going to be some "Get Out The Vote" issue. It's not. This is another in a long string of political misfirings that this terrorist organization finds itself on the wrong side of.


RNC looks like the terrorist organization right now...

Stripping liberties from as many humans as possible... as fast as possible.

In the name of "leaving it to the evil azz state" to figure out how far they should go with the liberty stripping.

We should drop the United and just call us States.
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I think if Russia wanted to invade, they could and get away with it cause the half of our country that holds the guns would welcome them with vodka and beer... might even call them comrade.

Be more like Russia... people don't need rights...

F*ck people!
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Remember, if you see a strong woman today, make sure and tell her how ugly she looks, and how inferior she is to you.

You should really kick them while they are down... show no mercy...

Make that b*tch understand, she's only half of one of you!
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Oh, and make sure to thank your father's for doing all the work raising your azzes, cause they did all the work... and even if they didn't, they should get all the credit.

Make sure and thank your fathers today.
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I'm telling you... you need to keep those b*tches in check... you don't want them thinking you just sh*t all over their rights... if they find out... you might have to go back to smacking them upside the head so they know.

Don't let that b*tch give you any lip.
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And don't forget to ask for that sammich...
HockeyDad Offline
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You’re taking this whole can’t dismember brown and black babies anymore really hard.

Now fix me a sammich.
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HockeyDad wrote:
You’re taking this whole can’t dismember brown and black babies anymore really hard.

Now fix me a sammich.


Why you gotta discriminate against poor white b*tches? Get one of them to get you a sammich.
bgz Offline
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For all you planning to use the "Founding Fathers" argument... they didn't think them b*tches deserved rights either...


Congrats!!!

You got the same mindset of those old guys with wigs.

Be proud.

No egg left behind.
RayR Online
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Ben is bonkers! 6 TANTRUM posts in a row. (EDIT: He snuck in 2 more before I could post this) He's like a TANTRUM machine gun!

Well, never mind him with his fear of the color orange and his dreams of dismembered brown and black babies.
BTW, I think he wants America to be more like China.


This is really good...Brion McClanahan takes on the crazy power-mad lefties who want to fix the Supreme Court.

New York Times columnist Ezra Klein thinks we need to "fix" the Supreme Court. Why? Because the Left cannot currently control it as a policy arm of the general government. His solutions are as bad as the problem, as I explain.

https://youtu.be/oQE8-CPJ8hc
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RayR wrote:
Ben is bonkers! 6 TANTRUM posts in a row. (EDIT: He snuck in 2 more before I could post this) He's like a TANTRUM machine gun!


I just type fast.

RayR wrote:

Well, never mind him with his fear of the color orange and his dreams of dismembered brown and black babies.
BTW, I think he wants America to be more like China.


Oooo, talk demon to me!

RayR wrote:

Leads in to another RayOnite propaganda link for your enjoyment!


Be more like China by being cruel to our constituents?

Yes, I think SCOTUS is doing a great job at that!

Death penalty for abortions!

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