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MACS Offline
#51 Posted:
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The establishment (both sides) hate the guy. The media hates the guy.

This is exactly why I like him.

Many of you lament how the politicians are 2 sides of the same coin. Well... he's not, and he won't get in line and he speaks without filters, and I think we need more like him.
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#52 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
The establishment (both sides) hate the guy. The media hates the guy.

This is exactly why I like him.

Many of you lament how the politicians are 2 sides of the same coin. Well... he's not, and he won't get in line and he speaks without filters, and I think we need more like him.


We certainly do need more leaders who are beholden to none, but this guy doesn't fit the bill as a leader. While I have no problem voting for a Republican, I will not vote for him in any capacity which requires any modicum of truth and integrity. Clearly, he lacks both.
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RayR wrote:
invoking the 5th amendment is no admission of guilt, especially when in front of a show trial kangaroo court that only has one and only one objective, which is to convict you of some imaginary crime.


Trump disagrees with you...


“If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”
RayR Offline
#54 Posted:
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drglnc wrote:
Trump disagrees with you...


“If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”


Really? I don't pay close attention to what Trump says. So what did he say that disagrees with me?
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#55 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
Really? I don't pay close attention to what Trump says. So what did he say that disagrees with me?



lol... your claim that the 5th isn't an admission of guilt... but you knew that already. since these comments are about trump his opinion on the matter... matters...
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Burner02 wrote:
I do like humor and I did miss the humor in your comment. I actually thought you connected the dots from your position if I had been bashing the illegals.

Hold that thought and we can revisit at a later date.


Ben is Native American.

So, to him, we should be picking his fruit and vegetables on the cheap.
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#57 Posted:
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Pleading the Fifth

Immediately after sitting, turn to the judge and say, "Your honor, I respectfully invoke my rights under the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution on the grounds that answering questions may incriminate me." The judge may direct you to provide your full name, to which you should comply.

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CelticBomber wrote:
Ben is Native American.

So, to him, we should be picking his fruit and vegetables on the cheap.


Losing wars have consequences.
rfenst Online
#59 Posted:
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drglnc wrote:
Trump disagrees with you...
“If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

I worked as prosecutor. I loved when defendants took the fifth at trial. Juries hate it.
bgz Offline
#60 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Losing wars have consequences.


I college professor once told us if you're going to revolt and try to start a revolution, you better hope you f*cking win.

Anyway... Trump tried... he didn't win.

Any guess on what happens next?

To your point, very bad things usually happen to the loser...
Sunoverbeach Offline
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Wife: "I look fat. Can you give me a compliment?" Husband: "You have perfect eyesight."
tailgater Offline
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bgz wrote:
I college professor once told us if you're going to revolt and try to start a revolution, you better hope you f*cking win.

Anyway... Trump tried... he didn't win.

Any guess on what happens next?

To your point, very bad things usually happen to the loser...


He'll open a casino?

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#63 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
He'll open a casino?


ok, that was funny...but he did put some family businesses out of business last time.
That's not as funny.

youse guys got any nights open for dinner week nights between 7/16 and 7/30?
Middle weekend will be booked with daughters and stuff.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#64 Posted:
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Calendar's wide open, Frankie. Stop by anytime
frankj1 Offline
#65 Posted:
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ya gotta come to da Cape!
Sunoverbeach Offline
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Nobody ever wants to see scenic Indiana. Corn fields. Bean fields. Hay fields. The possibilities are endless
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sounds like I'd be sneezing a lot
rfenst Online
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frankj1 wrote:
ya gotta come to da Cape!


Rebecca's brother's family sez: "We're going down the Cape this weekend."
Do people use the phrase "down the Cape"?
tailgater Offline
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Nobody ever wants to see scenic Indiana. Corn fields. Bean fields. Hay fields. The possibilities are endless


I spent a week one night in Indiana...
tailgater Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Rebecca's brother's family sez: "We're going down the Cape this weekend."
Do people use the phrase "down the Cape"?


Yeah.
Even if they're coming up from CT, RI, NY or jersey, they all say "going down cape".

And here on cape, we've got upper cape and lower cape. Technically we've got mid-cape, but only businesses and wash-a-shores use that term.

Upper cape is near the bridge, but nobody says they're going up cape. It's a location, not a destination.

Got it?

tailgater Offline
#71 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
ok, that was funny...but he did put some family businesses out of business last time.
That's not as funny.

youse guys got any nights open for dinner week nights between 7/16 and 7/30?
Middle weekend will be booked with daughters and stuff.


To bad you weren't here this coming week.
Wife's sisters and mother are staying down here.
I need some away time. For all our health. :)
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tailgater wrote:
To bad you weren't here this coming week.
Wife's sisters and mother are staying down here.
I need some away time. For all our health. :)

and you thought you could sneak out while I covered for ya?
HA!

to take the going down the Cape a step further, I've been told that real Cape residents refer to people as either "on" or "off"
Not even on Cape or off Cape.
Speyside2 Offline
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At least they do not refer to one person as they.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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I refer to a whole bunch of people as off. Some a little off. Some way off
tailgater Offline
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
I refer to a whole bunch of people as off. Some a little off. Some way off


Not to mention Jack.

tailgater Offline
#76 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
and you thought you could sneak out while I covered for ya?
HA!

to take the going down the Cape a step further, I've been told that real Cape residents refer to people as either "on" or "off"
Not even on Cape or off Cape.


I might abbreviate by saying "I've gotta head off for the weekend", but most of the time it's with the "cape" reference intact.
But that's me: I've got a good friend who is a bonafide wordsmith.
Speyside2 Offline
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Her testimony dosn't matter. I here say.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#78 Posted:
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I refused to believe my road worker father was stealing from his job, but when I got home, all the signs were there.
rfenst Online
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Cassidy Hutchinson: Why the Jan. 6 Committee Rushed Her Testimony

Sequestered with family and security, Ms. Hutchinson, 26, has in the process developed an unlikely bond with Representative Liz Cheney, the panel’s vice chairwoman.


The New York Times

WASHINGTON — The day before Cassidy Hutchinson was deposed for a fourth time by the Jan. 6 committee, the former Trump White House aide received a phone message that would dramatically change the plans of the panel and write a new chapter in American politics.

On that day in June, the caller told Ms. Hutchinson, as Liz Cheney, the committee’s vice chairwoman, later disclosed: A person “let me know you have your deposition tomorrow. He wants me to let you know he’s thinking about you. He knows you’re loyal. And you’re going to do the right thing when you go in for your deposition.”

At Ms. Hutchinson’s deposition the next day, committee members investigating the attack on the Capitol were so alarmed by what they considered a clear case of witness tampering — not to mention Ms. Hutchinson’s shocking account of President Donald J. Trump’s behavior on Jan. 6, 2021 — that they decided in a meeting on June 24, a Friday, to hold an emergency public hearing with Ms. Hutchinson as the surprise witness the following Tuesday.

The speed, people close to the committee said, was for two crucial reasons: Ms. Hutchinson was under intense pressure from Trump World, and panel members believed that getting her story out in public would make her less vulnerable, attract powerful allies and be its own kind of protection. The committee also had to move fast, the people said, to avoid leaks of some of the most explosive testimony ever heard on Capitol Hill.

In the two weeks since, Ms. Hutchinson’s account of an unhinged president who urged his armed supporters to march to the Capitol, lashed out at his Secret Service detail and hurled his lunch against a wall has turned her into a figure of both admiration and scorn — lauded by Trump critics as a 21st-century John Dean and attacked by Mr. Trump as a “total phony.”

Ms. Hutchinson’s testimony also pushed the committee to redouble its efforts to interview Pat A. Cipollone, Mr. Trump’s White House counsel, who appeared in private before the panel on Friday. His videotaped testimony is expected to be shown at the committee’s next public hearing on Tuesday.

Now unemployed and sequestered with family and a security detail, Ms. Hutchinson, 26, has developed an unlikely bond with Ms. Cheney, a Wyoming Republican and onetime aide to former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell during the George W. Bush administration — a crisis environment of another era when she learned to work among competing male egos. More recently, as someone ostracized by her party and stripped of her leadership post for her denunciations of Mr. Trump, Ms. Cheney admires the younger woman’s willingness to risk her alliances and professional standing by recounting what she saw in the final days of the Trump White House, friends say.

“I have been incredibly moved by young women that I have met and that have come forward to testify in the Jan. 6 committee,” Ms. Cheney said in concluding a recent speech at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley, Calif.

When she mentioned Ms. Hutchinson’s name, the audience erupted in applause.

Influence Beyond Her Years
The path that led a young Trump loyalist to become a star witness against the former president was not exactly prefigured by Ms. Hutchinson’s biography.

Making a case against Trump. The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack is laying out evidence that could allow prosecutors to indict former President Donald J. Trump, though the path to a criminal trial is uncertain. Here are the main themes that have emerged so far:

An unsettling narrative. During the first hearing, the committee described in vivid detail what it characterized as an attempted coup orchestrated by the former president that culminated in the assault on the Capitol. At the heart of the gripping story were three main players: Mr. Trump, the Proud Boys and a Capitol Police officer.

Creating election lies. In its second hearing, the panel showed how Mr. Trump ignored aides and advisers as he declared victory prematurely and relentlessly pressed claims of fraud he was told were wrong. “He’s become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff,” William P. Barr, the former attorney general, said of Mr. Trump during a videotaped interview.

Pressuring Pence. Mr. Trump continued pressuring Vice President Mike Pence to go along with a plan to overturn his loss even after he was told it was illegal, according to testimony laid out by the panel during the third hearing. The committee showed how Mr. Trump’s actions led his supporters to storm the Capitol, sending Mr. Pence fleeing for his life.

Fake elector plan. The committee used its fourth hearing to detail how Mr. Trump was personally involved in a scheme to put forward fake electors. The panel also presented fresh details on how the former president leaned on state officials to invalidate his defeat, opening them up to violent threats when they refused.

Strong arming the Justice Department. During the fifth hearing, the panel explored Mr. Trump’s wide-ranging and relentless scheme to misuse the Justice Department to keep himself in power. The panel also presented evidence that at least half a dozen Republican members of Congress sought pre-emptive pardons.

The surprise hearing. Cassidy Hutchinson, ​​a former White House aide, delivered explosive testimony during the panel’s sixth session, saying that the president knew the crowd on Jan. 6 was armed, but wanted to loosen security. She also painted Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff in the Trump administration, as disengaged and unwilling to act as rioters approached the Capitol.

She grew up in Pennington, N.J., a one-square-mile village dating back to the 1600s whose most famous previous resident was Peter Benchley, the author of “Jaws.” Her father owned a tree-trimming service.

No one in her family had gone to college, but in 2015 Ms. Hutchinson left home for Christopher Newport University, an under-the-radar liberal arts institution in Newport News, Va., with a strict dress code.

Ms. Hutchinson selected political science as her major. She took two classes taught by the department chair at the time, Michelle Barnello.

“We have a fairly conservative student body, and while I think of Cassidy as someone who was committed to Republican principles, she didn’t stand out as a hard-liner,” Dr. Barnello said.

She remembered Ms. Hutchinson as convivial but also determined, and that she often sat in the front row of the classroom with her lacrosse-playing boyfriend.

In 2017, a year after spending a summer interning for Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, Ms. Hutchinson and her boyfriend each became summer interns for Republican House members — in her case, for Representative Steve Scalise, then the majority whip, who in June of that year was shot while playing softball with Republican colleagues. The following spring, Ms. Hutchinson was accepted for a White House internship, a celebrated achievement at Christopher Newport. The campus website and the political science department’s Facebook page posted stories about their high-achieving junior.

By luck of the draw, Ms. Hutchinson’s internship was in the White House Office of Legislative Affairs — where, unlike the coffee-fetching and tour-guiding requirements of a Capitol Hill internship, enrollees are expected to take notes at high-level meetings and to interact with senior staff members and House members. Former Trump White House officials said Ms. Hutchinson distinguished herself from the other interns as a hard worker with a good attitude. On graduation she landed a permanent job as the junior-most staff assistant on the House side of the Trump presidency’s legislative affairs operation, at a salary of $43,600.

“She kind of came in and took the place by storm,” said a former White House official, who like others who spoke highly of Ms. Hutchinson and asked for anonymity to avoid the public wrath of Mr. Trump and his allies. “Just an incredibly smart and driven person. She was the sort of person who worked so hard, I often had to tell her to slow down so that she wouldn’t burn out.”

During the first impeachment of Mr. Trump in 2019, Ms. Hutchinson was among the handful of legislative affairs staff members tasked with shoring up support among disgruntled House Republicans for the embattled president. In the end, not one of them defected, a triumph that reflected well on every White House staff member involved, including Ms. Hutchinson.

Some colleagues found it presumptuous that the young assistant so quickly came to refer to House members by their first names. But others could see that it worked: Ms. Hutchinson, they said, developed exceptionally strong contacts with representatives during her first year on the job.

“Trust me, nobody ever sat down and said, ‘Hey, Cassidy, you’re being too chummy with the members,’” recalled another colleague who asked for anonymity out of fear of inciting Mr. Trump. “You can be one of those assistants who’s rarely on the Hill. Or you could be like Cassidy, who took every advantage to help her get a better job in the future.”

Which quickly occurred. Ms. Hutchinson’s backstage work during the impeachment hearings put her in frequent contact with the influential chairman of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, Representative Mark Meadows. When he became Mr. Trump’s chief of staff in March 2020, he promptly poached Ms. Hutchinson from the legislative affairs office as his special assistant.

Her influence was soon apparent. Republican aides on Capitol Hill learned that Ms. Hutchinson was the way to get to Mr. Meadows, and that if they texted him she might be the one responding. She was in frequent contact on Mr. Meadows’s behalf with leading House Republicans like Representatives Kevin McCarthy, Jim Jordan and Elise Stefanik. One former colleague recalled that there were times when Mr. Meadows got staff members taken off Air Force One to make room for Ms. Hutchinson.


Some staff members begrudged her rise. “I think she became a victim of her own access and success,” said Ms. Hutchinson’s friend, Alyssa Farah Griffin, a former Trump White House communications director. “I’m sure that more senior people resented her for it.”

A New Lawyer
Early this year, a federal marshal knocked on Ms. Hutchinson’s door and served her with a subpoena to appear before the Jan. 6 committee. Unemployed and unable to pay for legal fees, she hired as her lawyer Stefan Passantino, a former Trump White House ethics lawyer. Mr. Trump’s Save America PAC paid for Mr. Passantino’s representation of Ms. Hutchinson, as it did for some other witnesses called before the panel.

Mr. Passantino had extensive financial ties to Mr. Trump’s orbit. Federal Election Commission reports show that his legal compliance firm received more than $1 million from Trump-related political action committees in the 2021-22 election cycle, and that in the previous cycle Marjorie Taylor Greene, a staunch Trump loyalist and a House candidate at the time, paid him more than $93,000 for his services.

Ms. Hutchinson’s first deposition to the committee was on Feb. 23, when it was not yet apparent to her that Mr. Passantino’s interests as a Trump affiliate might diverge from hers, two people close to the situation said. What was clear were her disclosures that morning and in two subsequent depositions to committee members, who found them startling as well as clear evidence of her proximity to power.

According to portions of her first three depositions made public, Ms. Hutchinson said she had heard Anthony M. Ornato, the deputy White House chief of staff, warn Mr. Meadows that intelligence reports were forecasting violence several days before Jan. 6. She also testified that by late November 2020, House Republicans were already pushing a plan for Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the election results.

But Ms. Hutchinson took pains to avoid speculating about the president. “I can’t speak to if Mr. Trump — yeah, I’ll leave it there,” she said at one point.

Over the next months, Ms. Hutchinson warmed to the idea of helping the committee’s investigation, according to a friend, but she did not detect the same willingness in Mr. Passantino.

“She realized she couldn’t call her attorney to say, ‘Hey, I’ve got more information,’” said the friend, who requested anonymity. “He was there to insulate the big guy.”

Mr. Passantino declined to comment.

At that point Ms. Hutchinson got in touch with Ms. Griffin, who had been cooperating with the committee herself. Ms. Griffin passed on Ms. Hutchinson’s concerns to Barbara Comstock, a former Republican congresswoman and outspoken critic of Mr. Trump. In an interview, Ms. Comstock said that she could have predicted Ms. Hutchinson’s predicament, recalling how she had once talked a young man out of joining the Trump administration. “I said, ‘You’re going to end up paying legal bills,’” Ms. Comstock recalled.

Ms. Comstock offered to start a legal-defense fund so that Ms. Hutchinson would not have to rely on a lawyer paid for by Trump affiliates. But this proved unnecessary. Jody Hunt, the former head of the Justice Department’s civil division under Jeff Sessions — Mr. Trump’s former attorney general and another pariah in Mr. Trump’s world — offered to represent her pro bono. Mr. Hunt accompanied Ms. Hutchinson to her fourth deposition in late June, when she felt more comfortable talking about Mr. Trump’s actions on Jan. 6. Everyone agreed it was time to speed up her public testimony.

Two realities have now taken hold for Ms. Hutchinson. One is that she will continue to offer information to the Jan. 6 committee, with Mr. Hunt as her counsel and Ms. Cheney as the committee’s designated interlocutor to her.

The other is that an uncertain future awaits her.

A former colleague in the White House legislative affairs office who remains on friendly terms with Ms. Hutchinson said that from the moment she got her subpoena, her goal in cooperating with the committee was to find the quickest way to put the entire ordeal behind her.

But, the friend said, this is only the beginning for her.
tailgater Offline
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So now it was rushed.

Got it.

Sunoverbeach Offline
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My first job was working in an orange juice factory, but I got canned: couldn't concentrate.
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tailgater wrote:
So now it was rushed.

Got it.

If that is your ultimate take-away, then you either didn't read the article or didn't understand it.
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Was that chick in the limo? SS agents weren't ever subpoenaed yet said she's lying. The rest of her lies center around people that weren't even in DC at the time she recalls or their recollection varies vastly from her testimony.

Sounds just like those liars that went after Brett Kavanaugh with solo cups and parties that they were never remembered being at but those crocodile tears sure got those DNC panties all wet.

Then there's Adam Schiff.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Was that chick in the limo? SS agents weren't ever subpoenaed yet said she's lying. The rest of her lies center around people that weren't even in DC at the time she recalls or their recollection varies vastly from her testimony.

Sounds just like those liars that went after Brett Kavanaugh with solo cups and parties that they were never remembered being at but those crocodile tears sure got those DNC panties all wet.

Then there's Adam Schiff.


Thats the thing, D's have cried wolf so many times recently they have lost ANY credibility they might have had. Not that they had any, really, but this recurring strategy of "manufacture 'evidence' of a crisis" is really leading them down a slippery slope...
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Thats the thing, D's have cried wolf so many times recently they have lost ANY credibility they might have had. Not that they had any, really, but this recurring strategy of "manufacture 'evidence' of a crisis" is really leading them down a slippery slope...

OK. So, don't automatically believe them. (I don't.) Just watch or read the testimony in whole yourself, then draw your own conclusions . But, don't rely on any TV news snippets. It is a serious time commitment, but worthwhile if you truly want to known what the sworn testimony is. Lots of close "rats are jumping off the ship", faster and faster now.
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Robert, it's not the validity of any one witness or his/her testimony. THE WHOLE SHEBANG is a fraud.

Remember the Russia Collusion LIE we were told was FACT for YEARS?? Heck, Schiff had incontrovertible proof, he just couldn't and hasn't ever shared it. TOTALLY MANUFACTURED.

Remember the Kavanaugh hearings? TOTAL LIES. Fabricated controversy without a single shred of actual evidence. TOTALLY MANUFACTURED.

At some point, people have to pull their collective heads out of the sand and recognize what is going on here.

This isn't "spin", it's complete fabrication and as long as people are OK with it because it fits their preconceived notions, they are complicit.



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rfenst wrote:
If that is your ultimate take-away, then you either didn't read the article or didn't understand it.


Why should I read it. You C&P without commment.

I'm surprised more people don't consider this a common sense rule.




tailgater Offline
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rfenst wrote:
OK. So, don't automatically believe them. (I don't.) Just watch or read the testimony in whole yourself, then draw your own conclusions . But, don't rely on any TV news snippets. It is a serious time commitment, but worthwhile if you truly want to known what the sworn testimony is. Lots of close "rats are jumping off the ship", faster and faster now.


It's actually not a big time commitment if you choose to stop listening once you hear a proven lie.

One bad oyster is all it takes.

Fact.

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tailgater wrote:
It's actually not a big time commitment if you choose to stop listening once you hear a proven lie.

One bad oyster is all it takes.

Fact.


North Shore oysters, red tide. Bad.
I'm heading south.
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tailgater wrote:
Why should I read it. You C&P without commment.

I'm surprised more people don't consider this a common sense rule.



I don't mind, because we get to see pay walled articles for free!!!

Robert subs, so we don't have to!

Arggggh, where's me text.
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Surprised cbid never got a DMCA for Roberts posts...

Not surprised that DMV never got one... or Ray, or... ya, Robert is the only one that I'm surprised by.
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