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Body Language & Criminal Interrogation
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Gene363 Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 1:44 PM EST
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Body Language & Criminal Interrogations

I've always been fascinated by the idea of body language. So many times you know someone is not telling the trugh and you just know it, but cannot say why you know. I've read a few books about body language, but they were very generaland not really helpful. Recently I found Joe Navarro's book, "What Every Body is Saying: An Ex-FBI Agent's Guide to Speed-Reading People", it is detailed, easy to follow and very useful.

At the same timewatching crime show interrogations are also fascinating. The techniques investigators use to get confessions are sometimes so amazing, but so succesful. No beatings or phyiscal torture is involved either.

This is a narrated interview with a Canadian serial killer/rapiest that is really good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJZv3z7FOt0

The Interrogation of Stephanie Lazarus

Quote:
In 1986, LAPD cop, Stephanie Lazarus, shot her love rival to death. She got away with it for 25 years. But in 2009, new DNA testing from her own police department linked her to the murder. And the very moment she finds all this out was caught on video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLSNPkf8RCU
bgz Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 2:36 PM EST
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Why she shoot him?
rfenst Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 3:30 PM EST
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When I was practicing law, I read a book on human factors and getting truthful testimony from liars that was like what Gene describes.
MACS Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 4:02 PM EST
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That first one was fascinating. That detective was really good.
Mr. Jones Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 6:06 PM EST
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My ex-wife "learned herself" into handwriting examination from an internationally known expert who wrote dozens of books and periodical stories ...she was an FBI consultant on several occasions ( the teacher, not the EX) ...

Then she did some jobs with her knowledge and a few fun party event like things....

She made some decent money from chick parties but I think she didn't persue it much further...
I don't converse with her much anymore...so I don't know...

I'm guessing "body language" is semi related in certain aspects but relies much more on video and sound than the hand written word as does "hand writing analysis" is concrete on paper analysis does...
frankj1 Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 8:38 PM EST
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CelticBomber recommended a book a few years ago by Malcolm what'shisname...absolutely bows up all the "I could just tell" feelings people get.

Let me think a bit and get back to youse.
frankj1 Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 8:42 PM EST
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Malcolm Gladwell~ Talking to Strangers

I think that's the one.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 8:45 PM EST
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I wonder how many years go by before you stop looking over your shoulder and think you actually got away with murder
frankj1 Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 9:02 PM EST
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19, so far.
Gene363 Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 9:13 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
19, so far.


So, uhm 19 years or 19 victims? Anxious
frankj1 Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 9:14 PM EST
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I'll just plead the 5th for now...
but very good question.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 9:22 PM EST
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19 years since the act, or since you started thinking you got away with it?
frankj1 Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 9:24 PM EST
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um, yes.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 9:34 PM EST
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I'd a gone with the 5th again personally. But curiosity sated, so thanks!
Gene363 Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 9:47 PM EST
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
I'd a gone with the 5th again personally. But curiosity sated, so thanks!


You're supposed to tell him that before he answers.
frankj1 Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 9:55 PM EST
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free on a technicality!!!
can't do that in Russia.
God, I love this country!

Anyway, I do love the topic of the op...
Sunoverbeach Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Aug 28 2022, 9:58 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
You're supposed to tell him that before he answers.

I would've, but I was still curious at the time
Gene363 Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Aug 29 2022, 11:06 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Malcolm Gladwell~ Talking to Strangers

I think that's the one.


Ordered, thanks for the suggestion.
CelticBomber Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Aug 29 2022, 1:56 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Ordered, thanks for the suggestion.


It's an amazing book. It tackles exactly what your original post mentions and turns everything on it's head with hard data and study after study. You'd think 30 years of being an interrogator would make you and expert in spotting lies. Turns out, not so much. He's been one of my favorite authors ever since I discovered him.
delta1 Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Aug 29 2022, 5:22 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Malcolm Gladwell~ Talking to Strangers

I think that's the one.



yeah, the average person has a default mechanism to truth that makes us want to trust others...otherwise a civil society is impossible...he uses an example of a person who is suspicious of everyone and is the loner who everybody avoids...I'm guessing that the FBI agent who distrusts and speed reads people may be that guy...

the CIA had a female double agent who was feeding Castro all the goods for decades, and none of her co-workers or bosses ever suspected...

Gladwell says law enforcement and police officers did no better than the average person in detecting truthfulness...
CelticBomber Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Aug 29 2022, 5:30 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
yeah, the average person has a default mechanism to truth that makes us want to trust others...otherwise a civil society is impossible...he uses an example of a person who is suspicious of everyone and is the loner who everybody avoids...

the CIA had a female double agent who was feeding Castro all the goods for decades, and none of her co-workers or bosses ever suspected


The big point with her was they didn't even suspect her after a reporter gave them proof she was an agent. They interviewed her and decided she wasn't hiding anything because they trusted their "instincts" over hard evidence. Meanwhile she was flying to Cuba on the weekends to receive awards from Castro himself.

The CIA's top counter-intelligence guys let her spy for another 5 or so years before she was caught. All because they believed their experience taught them how to spot a liar. Best part, she had a post card from Cuba on her desk for all to see. It's mind boggling.
frankj1 Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Aug 29 2022, 9:47 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Ordered, thanks for the suggestion.

Celtic gets the credit.
Enjoy.
bgz Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Aug 29 2022, 9:57 PM EST
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He was just telling us about this book the other night.

I would read it, but I already know what happens.
frankj1 Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Aug 29 2022, 10:02 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
He was just telling us about this book the other night.

I would read it, but I already know what happens.

normally I'd believe you, but now that I've read the book...
Sunoverbeach Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Aug 29 2022, 10:11 PM EST
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LIARS!!!!
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