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rfenst Offline
#451 Posted:
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Morning.

Going to swim a few laps this morning, then hang around the house out back on the porch or in the pool. Costco T-bone lamb chops for dinner for sure.
Ram27 Offline
#452 Posted:
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Wishing you all the best and a speedy recovery with your procedures Robert.
rfenst Offline
#453 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Supposed to hit 110 today.

You think the summer weather in Houston will be friendlier?
Maybe you forget what humidity feels like... LOL.
deadeyedick Offline
#454 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
I thought so... until I tried to enter the commissary today with no mask on. Literally NO supermarkets in CA, no stores for that matter, were requiring masks. None here in FL are, either... except the commissary, which is on the base... controlled by the US gov't.

I thought we were following the science? Haven't we established that the face-diapers were no more than a friggin' placebo? Hasn't Father Fauci already admitted it? Isn't the CDC website even acknowledging it? Pissed me off, it did.

Been bringing Tank with us wherever we go. He needs to get used to the place and we need to get the turf installed before we leave him in the back yard alone... it's stupid muddy because of the fkn weather here.

Manager asks me if he's a service dog. Yup. She asks - what is he trained to do? Keep me calm when idiots ask me stupid questions. She left me alone. Literally did an about face and walked away.


Johnny Yuma was a rebel Whistle
8trackdisco Offline
#455 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Also have his specialty (short-handled spade).



Raciss?
MACS Offline
#456 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,593
8trackdisco wrote:
Slowly getting started.
Dog will have to wait another 45 minutes.


It's 11:30 and I feel like I need another cup of coffee... usually one in the morning and done kinda guy. fog
BuckyB93 Offline
#457 Posted:
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MACS wrote:

Manager asks me if he's a service dog. Yup. She asks - what is he trained to do? Keep me calm when idiots ask me stupid questions. She left me alone. Literally did an about face and walked away.


Not trying to single you out but this topic is kind irritates me. I see it abused all the time. An emotional support animal is not a trained service animal and is not covered under the ADA.

https://adata.org/guide/service-animals-and-emotional-support-animals
https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html


Trying to pass it off as such is a slap in the face of truly trained support animals and those that truly need them. For me its akin to someone without a disability parking in a handicapped parking spot.

In MA they may ask the following two questions to determine whether an animal is a service animal:

1) Is the animal a service animal required because of a disability? (You cannot ask what their disability is)
2) What task or service is the animal trained to perform?

The law requires staff to take the individual at their word. The staff cannot ask for paperwork or any other form of proof. If they say it's an emotional support animal, the staff and the place of business can legally deny the animal from entering.
MACS Offline
#458 Posted:
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I can't disagree with you, buddy. You are 100% correct and Tank is not, as you already know, a service dog.

We were stuck in a small apartment for a month and a half, a very small fenced area that wrapped around to another gate and another apartment... so we couldn't leave him out and couldn't leave him in. He's house trained and he won't go inside unless you leave him too long and he can't hold it. Did not want an oopsie in the AirBnB.

We have a secure fenced yard now, but it's muddy as hell back there. Once we get the turf in, we'll leave him home like we did before.
Gene363 Offline
#459 Posted:
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Ram27 wrote:
Wishing you all the best and a speedy recovery with your procedures Robert.


+1
Gene363 Offline
#460 Posted:
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Good Labor Day to all! It's 81° on the way to 85° today.
tonygraz Offline
#461 Posted:
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Rain here off and on with heavy stuff coming tonite and Tomorrow morning. We need it.
deadeyedick Offline
#462 Posted:
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Not trying to single you out but this topic is kind irritates me. I see it abused all the time. An emotional support animal is not a trained service animal and is not covered under the ADA.

https://adata.org/guide/service-animals-and-emotional-support-animals
https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html


Trying to pass it off as such is a slap in the face of truly trained support animals and those that truly need them. For me its akin to someone without a disability parking in a handicapped parking spot.

In MA they may ask the following two questions to determine whether an animal is a service animal:

1) Is the animal a service animal required because of a disability? (You cannot ask what their disability is)
2) What task or service is the animal trained to perform?

The law requires staff to take the individual at their word. The staff cannot ask for paperwork or any other form of proof. If they say it's an emotional support animal, the staff and the place of business can legally deny the animal from entering.


This is what prompted my rebel comment above. I see peeps here all the time with their precious little dogs in shopping carts, strollers, even in there laps while driving, etc in places they don't belong like food courts, grocery stores and they always claim it's their service dog.
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Interior decorator's dragging her feet on final color choice. Was hoping to be done with hallway/stairwell this weekend, but think I'm throwing in the towel. Maybe a nice smoke instead
HockeyDad Offline
#464 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Rain here off and on with heavy stuff coming tonite and Tomorrow morning. We need it.


Anytime it rains here in California we are required to say “we need the rain.” It’s a state law or something.
8trackdisco Offline
#465 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Anytime it rains here in California we are required to say “we need the rain.” It’s a state law or something.


Can’t have mudslides without rain.
BuckyB93 Offline
#466 Posted:
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deadeyedick wrote:
This is what prompted my rebel comment above. I see peeps here all the time with their precious little dogs in shopping carts, strollers, even in there laps while driving, etc in places they don't belong like food courts, grocery stores and they always claim it's their service dog.


Even if it's a qualified and licensed service animal, they are not allowed to ride in shopping carts for any reason even if you put a blanket or bed in the shopping cart for the animal to sit in. This is a board of health stipulation.

They are allowed in resultants and eating establishments but they can't wander around or take a tours into the food preparation areas.

Health and sanitary issues aside, if the service animal requires the use of a shopping cart to get around the store, it's not a real service animal.

Not trying to be an A-hole on this issue it's just wrong for people to pretend that their little Muffy is a service animal. I've turned away people with their emotional support animals.

This is a real recreation of a sample discussion I've had with customers:
Me: Ma'am pets are not allowed in the store. Sorry.
Her: It's my emotional support dog (little chihuahua dog).
Me: Sorry, emotional support animals do not qualify as a service dog.
He: What do you want me to do with it? Leave it in the hot car to die?
Me: I would not recommend that, maybe you should have left it at home.
Her: Well he pees and craps on the floor when he's left alone.

(Seriously? Your dog is not potty trained but it should be allowed in a store that sells food? Pretty sure if the board of heath made a unannounced inspection and they saw dogs riding in shopping carts or piss and $hit on the floor, someone will be getting written up).

Other end of the spectrum:
Guy comes in with a huge Rottweiler (this breed has some stigma). The dog has a solid harness on it like you would see with a seeing eye dog but the guy is obviously not blind.

I don't question the guy. The dog just walked with him nice and calm. Was never distracted, just doing a service dog thing. After seeing him come in over many months and we had some rapport... I ask him (I cannot legally ask this question) "What is your disability and why such a big dog?" He has issues with vertigo and he needs a large dog that he can lean on to take his weight. If an episode happens she (his service dog) can pull him up to his feet if he falls down. THIS is a real example of a true service dog trained to do it's job.

Sure she also was an emotional support dog (most loving animals are) but her primary purpose was help to him get around at home and out in pubic. I use the past tense when talking about his dog since his dog passed away last year. He has another one but I haven't seen him around much in the past 6 months or so. Hopefully he's OK.

Kind of a long winded post but just sharing a couple of examples of what I would classify as a real service animal vs a family pet.
8trackdisco Offline
#467 Posted:
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In college, I had Emotional Support Crabs.
MACS Offline
#468 Posted:
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My dog is fruity... because he is a dadgum PEACH!

He's well behaved and if I put a vest on him, nobody would even ask me.

And now you're starting to piss me off... because I know you're right, and I've never taken him anywhere he wasn't allowed until we made this trek. So shaddup!
Ram27 Offline
#469 Posted:
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Oh my.Think
8trackdisco Offline
#470 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
My dog is fruity... because he is a dadgum PEACH!

He's well behaved and if I put a vest on him, nobody would even ask me.

And now you're starting to piss me off... because I know you're right, and I've never taken him anywhere he wasn't allowed until we made this trek. So shaddup!


Yep.
You screwed up.
Got called out.
Took accountability.
Over.

Get off my bruddah’s back.
BuckyB93 Offline
#471 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
My dog is fruity... because he is a dadgum PEACH!

He's well behaved and if I put a vest on him, nobody would even ask me.

And now you're starting to piss me off... because I know you're right, and I've never taken him anywhere he wasn't allowed until we made this trek. So shaddup!


I'm not trying to piss you off. If I did, my apologies. If the establishment and place of business welcomes four legged family members, then no harm no foul. I would encourage places to welcome well minded and mannered dogs, cats, parrots, iguanas etc. in their establishment unless it violated some sanitary or health regulations.

As I said, faking an emotional support dog or any animal as a true service animal is just not right.

Sure, you can buy Tank a vest and nobody would even ask you. At Wally World, if they the animal has a vest, we can't even ask the questions. Even if the dog is obliviously not a service animal (pulling on the leash, distracted and sniffing everything it walks by, barking at people...). Any Tom, Richard, and Harry can do buy a vest for $10 from Amazon. It doesn't make it right.

Summarily, I could buy a baseball hat and tee shirts that said that I'm a military vet, nobody would question me and maybe even shake my hand say "Thank you for your service." But doing so would be a slap in the face and pissing on the graves of folks that are real military veterans.

Now, before someone wants to read between the lines or put words in my mouth by saying that I'm comparing a dog to a military veteran. I'm not saying that. Trying to pass off something for which they are not, is not right in my book.
8trackdisco Offline
#472 Posted:
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Im looking to steal some glory.
Been to EBay and Etsy.
Can’t find a tee shirt that says WWI Vet.
MACS Offline
#473 Posted:
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Trying to pass off something for which they are not, is not right in my book.

Not in mine, either... which is why you hit that nerve. d'oh!
BuckyB93 Offline
#474 Posted:
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Need to add some more wrinkles, a colostomy bag or a toe tag in order to pull that on off.
Gene363 Offline
#475 Posted:
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Even if it's a qualified and licensed service animal, they are not allowed to ride in shopping carts for any reason even if you put a blanket or bed in the shopping cart for the animal to sit in. This is a board of health stipulation.

They are allowed in resultants and eating establishments but they can't wander around or take a tours into the food preparation areas.

Health and sanitary issues aside, if the service animal requires the use of a shopping cart to get around the store, it's not a real service animal.

Not trying to be an A-hole on this issue it's just wrong for people to pretend that their little Muffy is a service animal. I've turned away people with their emotional support animals.

This is a real recreation of a sample discussion I've had with customers:
Me: Ma'am pets are not allowed in the store. Sorry.
Her: It's my emotional support dog (little chihuahua dog).
Me: Sorry, emotional support animals do not qualify as a service dog.
He: What do you want me to do with it? Leave it in the hot car to die?
Me: I would not recommend that, maybe you should have left it at home.
Her: Well he pees and craps on the floor when he's left alone.

(Seriously? Your dog is not potty trained but it should be allowed in a store that sells food? Pretty sure if the board of heath made a unannounced inspection and they saw dogs riding in shopping carts or piss and $hit on the floor, someone will be getting written up).

Other end of the spectrum:
Guy comes in with a huge Rottweiler (this breed has some stigma). The dog has a solid harness on it like you would see with a seeing eye dog but the guy is obviously not blind.

I don't question the guy. The dog just walked with him nice and calm. Was never distracted, just doing a service dog thing. After seeing him come in over many months and we had some rapport... I ask him (I cannot legally ask this question) "What is your disability and why such a big dog?" He has issues with vertigo and he needs a large dog that he can lean on to take his weight. If an episode happens she (his service dog) can pull him up to his feet if he falls down. THIS is a real example of a true service dog trained to do it's job.

Sure she also was an emotional support dog (most loving animals are) but her primary purpose was help to him get around at home and out in pubic. I use the past tense when talking about his dog since his dog passed away last year. He has another one but I haven't seen him around much in the past 6 months or so. Hopefully he's OK.

Kind of a long winded post but just sharing a couple of examples of what I would classify as a real service animal vs a family pet.



I love dogs, unfortunately I'm also allergic to dogs. I get allergy shots every couple of weeks. When visiting family and friends with dogs I take extra antihistamines. I don't ask others to do anything different with their dogs. OTOH, I'm happy to know where they are and area not.
BuckyB93 Offline
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MACS wrote:
Not in mine, either... which is why you hit that nerve. d'oh!


Didn't mean to touch a nerve.

I'm sure Tank is well minded and well behaved. The burr in my saddle is from folks that abuse the system with not so well minded and well behaved dogs and claim that they are service dogs because they bought a vest online that says so.
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tonygraz wrote:
Rain here off and on with heavy stuff coming tonite and Tomorrow morning. We need it.


You have less than a week until we will be there. I expect and require nice weather all next week for our New England trip. Looks like flooding in Providence right now. Fix this asap!
BuckyB93 Offline
#478 Posted:
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Gene363 wrote:
I love dogs, unfortunately I'm also allergic to dogs. I get allergy shots every couple of weeks. When visiting family and friends with dogs I take extra antihistamines. I don't ask others to do anything different with their dogs. OTOH, I'm happy to know where they are and area not.


Allergies are not grounds for denying entrance for a true service animal. Patrons that are afraid of dogs for one reason or another is not grounds for denying entrance for a true service animal.

A true service animal has all the rights of a human as long as they are under control by their handler. They don't need a vest or any identification. I'm fine with that. It's none of my business. Just don't pretend it is what it is not.

We have a few service dog training schools in the area. They frequently bring in dogs to the store as part of their training.

Early in their training they usually come in early in the morning when things are rather calm but there is plenty of stimulus - new smells, bright lights, food, some foot traffic, normal store noises... The dogs would still be on a leash/harness

Later in their training they bring them in when things are more busy. High human traffic, lots of distractions and noise. The dogs are trained to ignore the extraneous stuff and focus on the commands (both verbal and non verbal) of the handlers. At the end of their training they would be left off leash/harness for certain exercises.

They would give us a heads up the day before they brought the dogs in. The handlers usually come in teams of 3 or 4 and with one or two dogs. One of the trainers is in charge of the dog, one following behind taking notes and another that tries to distract the dog from his/her duties. When I worked the floor I got to know a few of the trainers. It's rather neat to watch the progression. I'm sure not as stringent as police dog training but still impressive nonetheless.
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the Lovely Caren is gonna buy me a yellow vest!
BuckyB93 Offline
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deadeyedick wrote:
You have less than a week until we will be there. I expect and require nice weather all next week for our New England trip. Looks like flooding in Providence right now. Fix this asap!


If it's crappy weather, rumor has it that Tony makes a wicked pissa onion soup. You could shack down at his place until the weather clears
BuckyB93 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
the Lovely Caren is gonna buy me a yellow vest!


So you're going as Tweety Bird for Halloween?
BuckyB93 Offline
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nine! teen more to go in order to close out this 500

(lower case nine! as it's not a true 9)

frank franked up and missed the last nine!
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BuckyB93 wrote:
So you're going as Tweety Bird for Halloween?

more like a wooden pecker
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BuckyB93 wrote:
nine! teen more to go in order to close out this 500

(lower case nine! as it's not a true 9)

frank franked up and missed the last nine!

but I was thinking about TLC!
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frankj1 wrote:
more like a wooden pecker


I'm so glad I wasn't drinking anything while reading that. Raspberry lime seltzer water out of the nose would probably burn a little bit
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Nectarines or peaches. I'm more of a nectarine fan. Peaches are good too but given the choice, I'll go with nectarines.

BuckyB93 Offline
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Apple season is right around the corner. Looking forward to all the various selections of apples. I wonder how the apple growing season went this year.
BuckyB93 Offline
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Ya gotta love apple cider. I do. Could probably drink a half gallon a day
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BuckyB93 Offline
#490 Posted:
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4 nine Ohhh
BuckyB93 Offline
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Ya gotta love apple cider. I do. Could probably drink a half gallon a day


$hits expensive though. It's just starting to hit the stores but it's like $6/gallon
Gene363 Offline
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Allergies are not grounds for denying entrance for a true service animal. Patrons that are afraid of dogs for one reason or another is not grounds for denying entrance for a true service animal.

A true service animal has all the rights of a human as long as they are under control by their handler. They don't need a vest or any identification. I'm fine with that. It's none of my business. Just don't pretend it is what it is not.

We have a few service dog training schools in the area. They frequently bring in dogs to the store as part of their training.

Early in their training they usually come in early in the morning when things are rather calm but there is plenty of stimulus - new smells, bright lights, food, some foot traffic, normal store noises... The dogs would still be on a leash/harness

Later in their training they bring them in when things are more busy. High human traffic, lots of distractions and noise. The dogs are trained to ignore the extraneous stuff and focus on the commands (both verbal and non verbal) of the handlers. At the end of their training they would be left off leash/harness for certain exercises.

They would give us a heads up the day before they brought the dogs in. The handlers usually come in teams of 3 or 4 and with one or two dogs. One of the trainers is in charge of the dog, one following behind taking notes and another that tries to distract the dog from his/her duties. When I worked the floor I got to know a few of the trainers. It's rather neat to watch the progression. I'm sure not as stringent as police dog training but still impressive nonetheless.


I have no concern at all with actual service dogs, in my very limited experiance, they are very well trained.

Working in nuclear power plants and government nuclear facailties there are always K9 teams around. On a job in Texas the drug dog team came through our offices. The dog indicated at the desk of one my employees, scared the crap out of him. Turned out it was the solvent in a jar of rubber cement that was in a desk he had just bee assigned. It was a job we had taken over and the desks had been used by previous employees. After that we searched every nook and crany to avoid and future problems.
BuckyB93 Offline
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In perspective though, a glass of good beer is about $6/pint.

One more reason why I shouldn't drink booze
Gene363 Offline
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Nectarines or peaches. I'm more of a nectarine fan. Peaches are good too but given the choice, I'll go with nectarines.



Nectarines rule, my wife makes awesome nectarines pies.
BuckyB93 Offline
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I'd go broke if I fell off the wagon and drank like I used to.

Plus, I'd probably break a hip or something and end up in ICU
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Gene363 wrote:
Nectarines rule, my wife makes awesome nectarines pies.


Nectarines taste quite a bit the same as peaches to my taste buds. Peaches have some fuzz, nectarines are cleanly shaved. I like both but I like then bit under ripe with a crunch like an apple.
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Ooooo... apple crisp. That's on the weekly menu when apple season comes around.
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Two more to go... who wants it?
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4 double NINE!s
Gene363 Offline
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Me

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