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Rep. Gates vs now former DOJ employee
rfenst Offline
#101 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
isn't "exonerated" a legal term ultimately meaning he is innocent of charges and has had charges dropped?
How is it meant/used in the link then?

I understand and am not surprised to read about Alford but yeah, I never heard anything so far to contradict the links to payments/funds transfers/victims etc.


All that happened is that someone trying to extort Gaetz father was charged. I think "exonerated" in this article is that Gaetz was only "exonerated" of the particular lies Alford told about him. Feds are still working on their sex-trafficking case against him and haven't charged him yet, so he certainly has not been exonerated of other accusations that could lead to federal charges. Maybe my google search was faulty, but I found nothing about exoneration of sex-trafficking or witness intimidation allegations. That would be big news all over. Did I answer your question?
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#102 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
All that happened is that someone trying to extort Gaetz father was charged. I think "exonerated" in this article is that Gaetz was only "exonerated" of the particular lies Alford told about him. Feds are still working on their sex-trafficking case against him and haven't charged him yet, so he certainly has not been exonerated of other accusations that could lead to federal charges. Maybe my google search was faulty, but I found nothing about exoneration of sex-trafficking or witness intimidation allegations. That would be big news all over. Did I answer your question?

Yes, you did. Thanks.
So, even here we have to be on guard for partisan inspired fake news?
Who'da thunk it?


HA!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#103 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
All that happened is that someone trying to extort Gaetz father was charged. I think "exonerated" in this article is that Gaetz was only "exonerated" of the particular lies Alford told about him. Feds are still working on their sex-trafficking case against him and haven't charged him yet, so he certainly has not been exonerated of other accusations that could lead to federal charges. Maybe my google search was faulty, but I found nothing about exoneration of sex-trafficking or witness intimidation allegations. That would be big news all over. Did I answer your question?



And the OP was what again?

Your "other charges" are still "they say", "Could", "maybe", rumor and bad innuendo. Like I've always said...if you want to report facts bring it...that's not being done...STILL!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#104 Posted:
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Contrary to popular demand...


Career prosecutors recommend no charges for Gaetz in sex-trafficking probe



Investigators see credibility challenges for two of the main witnesses in the probe of the congressman’s past dealings with a 17-year-old

Career prosecutors have recommended against charging Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) in a long-running sex-trafficking investigation — telling Justice Department superiors that a conviction is unlikely in part because of credibility questions with the two central witnesses, according to people familiar with the matter.

Senior department officials have not made a final decision on whether to charge Gaetz, but it is rare for such advice to be rejected, these people told The Washington Post, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the deliberations. They added that it is always possible additional evidence emerges that could alter prosecutors’ understanding of the case.

Nevertheless, it is unlikely that federal authorities will charge Gaetz with a crime in an investigation that started in late 2020 and focused on his alleged involvement with a 17-year-old girl several years earlier. Gaetz, 40, has repeatedly denied wrongdoing, saying he has never paid for sex. He has also said the only time he had sex with a 17-year-old was when he was also 17.Gaetz’s lawyer, Isabelle Kirshner, declined to comment. A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment.

[Gaetz sought pardon related to Justice Dept. sex-trafficking probe, people familiar say]

Investigators set out to determine if the congressman paid for sex in violation of federal sex-trafficking laws and have examined his dealings with the then-17-year-old, people familiar with the matter have said. Earlier this year, a federal grand jury in Orlando heard testimony from associates of Gaetz, including an ex-girlfriend.

The ex-girlfriend was among several women on a trip Gaetz allegedly took to the Bahamas in 2018 that has been of particular interest to investigators. The 17-year-old at issue in the investigation was also on that trip, though by that time she was already 18 or older, people familiar with the matter have said. She has been a central witness in the investigation, but people familiar with the case said she is one of two people whose testimony has issues that veteran prosecutors feel would not pass muster with a jury.

The other is a former friend of Gaetz’s, Joel Greenberg, a former tax collector for Seminole County, Fla. He pleaded guilty last year to sex trafficking of a minor and a host of other crimes as part of a cooperation deal with authorities.

Greenberg was first charged in 2020 with fabricating allegations and evidence to smear a political opponent, but prosecutors continued to investigate and added additional charges to his case. He ultimately agreed to plead guilty to six criminal charges, including sex trafficking of a child, aggravated identity theft and wire fraud.

[The sex-trafficking investigation involving Matt Gaetz, explained]

In exchange for his guilty plea, prosecutors agreed to dismiss the other 27 counts Greenberg faced and recommend a term within federal sentencing guidelines, which are often far less than the statutory maximum penalties. They also agreed to recommend other possible sentencing breaks.

If Greenberg provided “substantial assistance” in building other cases, prosecutors might ask a judge to deviate below the minimum required penalty, according to Greenberg’s plea agreement. His sentencing is scheduled for later this year.

It was in exploring Greenberg’s conduct that investigators came upon evidence potentially implicating Gaetz in sex trafficking, people familiar with the matter have said. Prosecutors had been exploring whether Greenberg paid women to have sex with Gaetz and whether the two shared sexual partners, including the 17-year-old girl at issue in Greenberg’s case, these people said.

[How the Justice Dept. came to investigate Rep. Matt Gaetz]

Gaetz, who represents a mostly conservative district in Florida’s panhandle, is known as a strident defender of former president Donald Trump. The investigation into him was opened during the Trump administration and proceeded with the approval of then-Attorney General William P. Barr.

Greenberg has been providing investigators information about Gaetz since last year, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Greenberg’s credibility would be a significant challenge for any prosecution of Gaetz, in part because one of the crimes Greenberg admitted to was fabricating allegations against a schoolteacher who was running against him to be a tax collector. Greenberg had sent letters to the school falsely claiming the teacher had an inappropriate sexual relationship with a student — a similar allegation to the Gaetz case.

Greenberg also pleaded guilty to a host of other crimes, including stealing from the tax collector’s office and defrauding a government loan program that provided relief for businesses affected by the coronavirus pandemic.
David Bear, a lawyer for the schoolteacher Greenberg falsely accused, said last year that “nobody’s going to believe anything that Joel Greenberg says by itself.”

[Olivia Julianna turns Matt Gaetz insult into abortion fundraising weapon]

The Gaetz case took an especially bizarre turn when authorities charged a Florida business executive with trying to extort the congressman’s wealthy father as part of a scheme to secure a presidential pardon for the younger Gaetz amid the ongoing sex-trafficking probe.

The business executive, Stephen M. Alford, ultimately pleaded guilty in 2021 to wire fraud. Authorities say he approached Gaetz’s father, Don Gaetz, saying he could “guarantee” his son a pardon in the sex-trafficking case, as part of a convoluted $25 million scheme that also involved an effort to find a long-missing former FBI agent. Instead of paying him, Don Gaetz went to the FBI and secretly recorded the conversations.

Last week, The Washington Post reported that Gaetz told a former White House aide, John McEntee, that he was seeking a preemptive pardon from Trump shortly before Trump left office.

According to people familiar with McEntee’s testimony to the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, McEntee said Gaetz told him that while he had done nothing wrong, "they are trying to make his life hell, and you know, if the president could give him a pardon, that would be great.”

Gaetz said he had asked White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows for a pardon, McEntee testified, according to these people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss his testimony.

https://archive.ph/0OAU4#selection-269.0-334.0


ANYTIME the NYT is using "unnamed or anonymous sources"...they're lying. We saw it with the Russia, Russia, Russia and both "impeachment" proceedings. Why anyone continues to read that rag blows my mind.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#105 Posted:
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I tried to sue the airline for missing luggage.

I lost my case.
ZRX1200 Offline
#106 Posted:
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I’m just here holding my breath for the posts about how bad the DOJ and how far they’ve sunk.

ORANGE MAN BAHAHAHAHAHAD!!!!!!!!

It’s kind of like a delusion certain people had that allowed bad things to happen because they allowed themselves to buy into a belief. Pretty ironic here
rfenst Offline
#107 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I’m just here holding my breath for the posts about how bad the DOJ and how far they’ve sunk.

ORANGE MAN BAHAHAHAHAHAD!!!!!!!!

It’s kind of like a delusion certain people had that allowed bad things to happen because they allowed themselves to buy into a belief. Pretty ironic here

You do know your boy Orange Man's Attorney General Barr opened the Gaetz investigation. LOL!!!

Just because they don't think they can convict him in court of sex-trafficking- doesn't mean he's not a douchebag.

Look up his pre-political behavior and years later who he hanged out with (Joel Greenberg and others) and what they did. Check out accusations against him when he was in the Florida legislature.

Then tell me he's not a p.o.s. unworthy of the office he holds.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#108 Posted:
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The FBI’s Matt Gaetz Operation Sidelined An Effective Republican Voice At A Crucial Time. That Was The Point




Gaetz was a highly effective member of Congress. Then all that changed with the publication of an anonymously sourced report accusing him of possibly being a child sex trafficker.

Prior to March 2021, Rep. Matt Gaetz was known for prominently pushing against Beltway groupthink.

The colorful Florida congressman had been one of the few Republicans to help win the public relations battle against the Russia collusion hoax, the conspiracy theory that President Donald Trump had stolen the 2016 election by colluding with Russia.

When Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., held secret hearings, selectively released information, and lied about coordination with the so-called whistleblower during the Ukraine impeachment hearings, Gaetz led a group of Republican congressmen in protest. The move, which enraged the corporate media and other partisans, helped unify Republicans in their eventual defeat of the impeachment stunt.

Following the Jan. 6, 2021 riot at the U.S. Capitol, Gaetz defended concerns about election integrity, reminded Democrats of their support of nationwide riots the preceding summer, and criticized media and political overreaction to the rioters. He remains one of the very few Republicans to focus on the plight facing the men and women the Justice Department is targeting, just years after the department largely ignored the destructive nationwide riots that besieged the White House, federal courthouses, police precincts, and national monuments.

When Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., received praise from Beltway insiders for leading a small group of Republicans to join the Democrats’ second impeachment of President Trump, Gaetz immediately went to Wyoming to rally Republicans. The two had repeatedly sparred over Cheney’s support for lengthy and poorly managed foreign wars that Gaetz said did not serve American interests.

“We are in a battle for the soul of the Republican Party, and I intend to win it,” he said at a Jan. 28, 2021, rally in Cheyenne, long before she would be ousted from her leadership position in the House Republican conference. “You can help me break a corrupt system. You can send a representative who actually represents you, and you can send Liz Cheney home — back home to Washington, D.C.” Harriet Hageman delivered a humiliating primary defeat of Cheney less than two years later.

Gaetz was a frequent fixture on television, reportedly averaging 87 minutes a month on air during the 12 months prior to the end of March 2021. He was even considering leaving Congress to take a job as a cable news host.

Then on March 30, 2021, all that changed with the publication of an anonymously sourced report accusing him of possibly being a child sex trafficker.

A group of New York Times reporters who won awards for their roles pushing the Russia collusion lie penned an anonymously sourced article with a devastating headline: “Matt Gaetz Is Said to Face Justice Dept. Inquiry Over Sex With an Underage Girl.” The story was sourced to “three people briefed on the matter,” none of them identified in any way. The story contained no evidence against Gaetz of sex crimes, but much guilt-by-association. Late in the story, the pack of reporters admitted that no charges had been filed and that the “extent of his criminal exposure is unclear.”

Gaetz strenuously and immediately asserted his innocence and denied the accusations.


The Damage Was Done

On Friday, 18 months after he was accused of being a pedophile and child sex trafficker, the Washington Post published another anonymously sourced report. “Career prosecutors recommend no charges for Matt Gaetz,” said the article, published quietly on a Friday. Not only was he never convicted of any of the crimes he was alleged to have committed, he wasn’t even charged. And, if you believe the anonymously sourced claims, he isn’t going to be.

The damage was already done by the initial report, written by reporters who regularly regurgitate political leaks from Department of Justice and FBI sources.

“Matt Gaetz’s days in politics are likely numbered,” one CNN reporter claimed days after the initial report, noting how few people had come to his defense.

Of course, as even The Washington Post admitted, “Gaetz’s position is shaky. The allegations are of a sort that makes it very difficult for his colleagues to come to his defense. … [T]here’s an obvious political risk to vocally defending someone who might face sex-trafficking charges, so expect his political allies (including the former president) to remain fairly muted.”

That was the goal of the politicized leaks. Gaetz couldn’t very well critique the Department of Justice for their political prosecutions if he was a pariah who everyone thought was a pedophile.

On the year anniversary of the original Gaetz story, journalist Glenn Greenwald wrote that leaks “have the effect, and often the intent, of destroying someone’s reputation, convicting them of repellent crimes in the court of public opinion that will never be brought in a court of law, thus relieving the state of the requirement to prove the crime and depriving the accused the opportunity to exonerate themselves.”

That’s precisely what happened.

He was the target of multiple “Saturday Night Live” skits. “Gaetz is under investigation by the Justice Department for a number of crimes, including child sex trafficking and allegedly paying for sex,” The Washington Post said in a video report about the skits.

Politico reporters suggested the walls were closing in, writing, “Gaetz’s allies now fear that Greenberg is preparing to strike a deal with prosecutors to deliver Gaetz.” That was the tenor of coverage for months, even as Gaetz’s claims regarding being the target of criminal extortion were validated.

The Associated Press tried to tie Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis to the scandal.

“If Matt Gaetz is innocent of sex trafficking, why does he need an expensive criminal defense attorney from New York?” said one left-wing attorney who is popular with corporate media.

The Democrat-run Ethics Committee in the House typically waits to run investigations of members until after the Department of Justice finishes an investigation. In Gaetz’s case, the committee went out of its way to begin — and announce — an investigation into the embattled Florida member.

Cheney and other obsessed Never Trump activists (see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here) delighted in the anonymously sourced allegations against Gaetz. They haven’t yet apologized or publicly commented on Friday’s also anonymously sourced news.

Former Vice President Mike Pence’s Chief of Staff Marc Short even accused Gaetz of being a child trafficker just this past July after the congressman said Pence was a “nice guy” but that he would never be president.

“I don’t know if Mike Pence will run for president in 2024, but I don’t think Matt Gaetz will have an impact on that,” Short said. “In fact, I’d be surprised if he’s still voting. It’s more likely he’ll be in prison for child trafficking by 2024.”

War on Critics

The Department of Justice, the FBI, and the corporate media have a history of viciously attacking — usually through deceptive leaks and lies — anyone who threatens their power. Then-Rep. Devin Nunes was viciously attacked for his leading role in fighting the Russia collusion hoax. Selective leaks to propagandists at The Washington Post, The New York Times, and other outlets were used to gin up ethics complaints, allege wrongdoing, slow down oversight, sideline effective pushback, and cover up massive malfeasance on the part of the agency.

The Department of Justice and the FBI are out of control. The propaganda press are operating as co-conspirators in the operations they run against the American people. Should Republicans be able to take control of one or both houses of Congress, their task of helping save the republic must begin with using their oversight and purse power to dramatically rein in bureaucratic tyranny.



https://thefederalist.com/2022/09/26/the-fbis-matt-gaetz-operation-sidelined-an-effective-republican-voice-at-a-crucial-time-that-was-the-point/


I was watching Paul Newman in "Absence of Malice" recently and thought of this case. The movie is an Oscar nominated thrill ride of a man wrongly accused. The FBI keeps pushing and they're going to run into this kind of guy sooner than later.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#109 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
You do know your boy Orange Man's Attorney General Barr opened the Gaetz investigation. LOL!!!

Just because they don't think they can convict him in court of sex-trafficking- doesn't mean he's not a douchebag.

Look up his pre-political behavior and years later who he hanged out with (Joel Greenberg and others) and what they did. Check out accusations against him when he was in the Florida legislature.

Then tell me he's not a p.o.s. unworthy of the office he holds.



You went out of your way to rail on this guy with venom. Now we find out it was all like I said. Made up, fabricated unsubstantiated sources based in zero factual evidence. This case wasn't about Joel Greenberg or whatever they did but they tried to spin him up and wind him up to stack him next to him though. The NY Times is a $hit paper, ran by political grift. Always was and always will be.
rfenst Offline
#110 Posted:
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He is a p.o.s.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#111 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
He is a p.o.s.



You believe the lies.
ZRX1200 Offline
#112 Posted:
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Well he’s a politician so….

Stogie1020 Offline
#113 Posted:
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DOJ won't charge Matt Gaetz with crimes in sex trafficking probe

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-wont-charge-matt-gaetz-with-crimes-sex-trafficking-probe

rfenst Offline
#114 Posted:
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No charges were filed because the primary witness is a convicted felon (on too many counts to count). The moral of this whole story is that "when you lie with pigs, you are going to get dirty At the very least Gaetz clearly chose the wrong friend (Joel Greenberg). That concerns me, even though I believe Gaetz did some real good things when he was in the Florida legislature.
HockeyDad Offline
#115 Posted:
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Well this thread didn’t age well.

DrMaddVibe Offline
#116 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Well this thread didn’t age well.




Actually..yeah it did.

Post 12...was an eye opening event. Perhaps the NY Times gets burned to the ground. Perhaps people actually see them for what they really are. Perhaps they lose the credibility they rip away from others.
ZRX1200 Offline
#117 Posted:
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I’m sure a government approved NGO is designating them as false or misleading……

*holding breath in anticipation*
Mr. Jones Offline
#118 Posted:
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I thought he ended up marrying the underage gash he allEdGeDleY banged in Bermuda? Whilst becoming and international sex trafficking felon ....

Hmmmmmm....
Stogie1020 Offline
#119 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I’m sure a government approved NGO is designating them as false or misleading……

*holding breath in anticipation*

Right there with you...

Still waiting for their Pulitzer to be rescinded for the Russia hoax reporting.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#120 Posted:
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Right there with you...

Still waiting for their Pulitzer to be rescinded for the Russia hoax reporting.



Can't forget the COVID1984 spread of misinformation as well.

The rag needs to be destroyed and put down like a rabid dog. A cursory history of what they did to the Jewish people in the run up, during WWII and even into the Iron Curtain in Germany...horrendous. A pox of paper peddling not fit for even the bottom of a talking bird cage!
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"So, recognizing the left’s tactics for what they are, what is the solution? The most useful thing Americans can do is to deny the corrupt institutions of the Globalist American Empire the illusion of legitimacy that they depend on. Institutions like the DOJ, FBI, CIA rely on a false sense of legitimacy to maintain their psychological power. The bureaucracies of the Globalist American Empire, along with their subservient cocktail waitresses in the mainstream media, have the power to set narratives, and shape people’s very thoughts about what is good, what is normal, and what is abnormal. They can impose a reality where Ted Kennedy holds office for decades after killing a young woman, but Matt Gaetz is anathematized based on unverified innuendo.

No more. Let them produce irrefutable proof that Gaetz committed the outlandish crime he’s charged with. Until then, evidence-free allegations of wild impropriety should be dismissed, lest we allow the corrupt globalist press to dishonestly tear down one of the few politicians who represents a genuine threat to our evil, corrupt, dysfunctional, and illegitimate system."

https://www.revolver.news/2021/04/new-york-times-matt-gaetz-fbi-sex-trafficking/


The FBI is the SS for the DNC.

If you can't see it by now, you're complicit with what they're doing.
MACS Offline
#122 Posted:
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Toldja...

Not a peep from the media saying, whooops... my bad. It's disgusting and shameful. Sad part is, idiots keep talking about Russian collusion when it was proved to be 100% false. If you say the lie enough times it becomes truth to those who can't think for themselves.

Good for Gaetz in fighting back.
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#123 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Toldja...

Not a peep from the media saying, whooops... my bad. It's disgusting and shameful. Sad part is, idiots keep talking about Russian collusion when it was proved to be 100% false. If you say the lie enough times it becomes truth to those who can't think for themselves.

Good for Gaetz in fighting back.

Mueller's investigation was the official final word, I assume you agree. There were no follow ups.

But trumpists have been hanging their hats on William Barr's nationally televised early yet false interpretation of the Mueller investigation's findings.

The almost truth of his misleading favor to his boss trump was that Mueller did stop short of pursuing indictments, but as Mueller clarified when he went on national TV to correct Barr's BS, he believed he did not have that power to indict.

But he did say clearly the evidence was there in his report if the DOJ wanted to pursue charges. They just did not do so.

Coincidentally, the other day was the 5th anniversary (2018) of when "special council Robert Mueller accused 13 Russians of an elaborate plot to disrupt the 2016 US presidential election with a huge but hidden social media trolling campaign aimed in part at helping Donald Trump."

This has only been called open to interpretation by trump loyalists. But it's undeniable that Russia did do what they could to sway the election for trump, whether he conspired with them or not.

Surely you see the danger in this.

Now when it comes to physical evidence claims stuff like rigging voting machines...it seems the only people who will have to deal with repercussions are those who falsely claimed Dominion et al messed with their ballot counting machines...like the Fox news folks working for trump's groundless claims..who we just now have learned did so despite knowing the truth.

Free speech is one thing but libel and slander are two others. Billions of dollars will be the penalty, but having messed with the minds of so many otherwise normal conservatives to the point of causing so much damage to our confidence in our systems is quite another. And that is what is truly shameful.

MACS Offline
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Sorry, Frankie... if you think the system is not rigged I wholeheartedly disagree.

There's more evidence in front of your own eyes that ol' Bidey is paying Ukraine to STFU than there ever was that Trump colluded with Russia.

Did Russia try some underhanded sheit? Maybe. Did Trump put 'em up to it? Nope. Steele Dossier is cool, though, right? Hillary paid for that.

Been watching the hearings with twitter execs? Proof twitter and our own gov't colluded to rig the election. No multi-million dollar investigation needed.
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#125 Posted:
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no need to apologize!
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