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Texas and Florida s.e.n.d. 2 charter flights to MARTHA'S VINEYARD !!!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#201 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
And you accept his behavior, edicts and actions through rose colored glasses while refusing to see when he is just plain wrong in big ways.



It's not like he's holding anyone hostage like the DNC governors. It's not like he behaves like the man he defeated. He's not creating laws by decree. So, everything you just typed above is inaccurate. He beholden to the state, it's voters and it's laws. He won't let the Federal govt. push him or this state around.
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#202 Posted:
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Looters were warned!!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VFmWVBCRH0w


There's another clip where he said 4 looters were jailed after IAN's devastation, 3 of the 4 looters were Illegals... Illinois especially in Chicago and bigger city's have this happening daily... one of the reasons is because we are a sanctuary State, the other is the recent law they just passed No Cash Bail starts in January... the only thing protecting me and my family is my right to shoot!!! and I wont ask questions, better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6!!! that # 13 wont be present!!
Mr. Jones Offline
#203 Posted:
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SOOO
Let me get this correctly...

As per before posted posts...that said ...
River rat russ is USAHOG...???

I find that a little hard to believe...
USAHOG ACTED like a 50-55+ yr old guy...
RRR ACTS like a 35-40 yr old...
Unless he got a transfusion...

I
Ain't
Convinced
At
All

Any other opinions?
Sunoverbeach Offline
#204 Posted:
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In my opinion, Fall is a preferable season to Summer
ZRX1200 Offline
#205 Posted:
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Another bus load dropped off at Kamala’s crib.
rfenst Offline
#206 Posted:
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Florida’s migrant flights may have violated law, new documents show

Newly disclosed documents by the state’s transportation department describe the program as moving migrants “out of” Florida.


Times/Herald Tallahassee Bureau
Miami Herald


TALLAHASSEE — Documents obtained from the state agency charged with managing the controversial migrant relocation program explicitly say that its mission was “to relocate out of the State of Florida foreign nationals who are not lawfully present in the United States,’’ according to records obtained Friday by the Times/Herald.

That may pose a problem for Gov. Ron DeSantis, whose administration paid a Destin-based aviation company, Vertol Systems Company, more than $1.56 million to transport migrants — including two Sept. 14 flights from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts, even though the 48 Venezuelan passengers never set foot in Florida.

The documents released Friday provide a deeper look into the carefully organized plan by the governor to use the Florida Department of Transportation to relocate migrants to another part of the country, an exercise that has drawn national attention and reignited the polarizing debate over immigration in the run-up to the midterm elections.

Obtained through public records requests to the Department of Transportation and the governor’s office, the documents show that the discussions about the relocation program began in July with Rebekah Davis, Department of Transportation general counsel, seeking quotes for charter flights.

Neither the department nor the governor’s office responded Friday to requests for explanations and comments on the documents.

Vertol CEO James L. Montgomerie provided quotes to transport passengers to Boston and Los Angeles, but his quotes only included up to eight passengers on a King Air 350 Turbo Prop. The governor’s office had bigger plans, and although Vertol was ultimately chosen to handle the flights, records show that Ohio-based Ultimate JetCharters was subcontracted to handle the transport of the migrants from San Antonio to Martha’s Vineyard.

The planes stopped for less than 30 minutes in Crestview, Florida, where Vertol has its main flight operations. No passengers left the plane while it was in Crestview, and no new passengers boarded.

Another round of flights by Ultimate JetCharters was scheduled a week later, the Miami Herald has learned. Under those plans, migrants were to be transported from Texas to Delaware — the home state of President Joe Biden — but that trip was canceled without explanation, leaving migrants stranded in San Antonio.

According to state finance records, there were at least three projects planned.

Montgomerie agreed his company would “provide to FDOT transportation-related, and humanitarian relocation services to implement a program to facilitate the transport of unauthorized aliens.’’

Details of agreement with Vertol
The document, labeled “memorandum for record” under the company’s letterhead, states that the company would provide “services to (the Department of Transportation), on an ongoing, month-to-month basis, in the form of separate relocation projects.”

The Vertol agreement indicates that the first one was to “involve the facilitation of the relocation of up to fifty (50) individuals to the State of Massachusetts or other, proximate northeastern state designated by (the Florida Department of Transportation) based upon the extant conditions. The total price for all Services related to Project 1 is $615,000.00, subject to (the Department of Transportation’s) approval.”

The state agreed to prepay Vertol for the flights, which amounted to about $12,812 per migrant. It made the first payment on Sept. 8, according to state records, and subsequently paid Vertol $950,000 on Sept. 19.

The documents also show the state also received a quote from another company, Palm Beach Gardens-based Gun Girls. The company is contracted to provide inmate transport and extradition services for the Florida Department of Corrections. Its quote indicated it would charge $26,000 to transport five people from Florida to Massachusetts, and services would include a bilingual officer, a travel-size personal hygiene kit, a boxed lunch and snacks.

In an interview with the Herald, Gun Girls President Susan Kushlin said her bid did not at all resemble the program put together by Vertol, which involved finding and recruiting migrants in San Antonio.

Kushlin said the contract she was bidding for was to transport between 5 and 20 “illegal aliens” who had committed “non-violent crimes” from Florida to Massachusetts, either using ground transportation or commercial flights.

She said her company did not have the resources or expertise to pull off an operation like Vertol’s.

“We transport prisoners by contract. That’s all we do,” Kushlin said. “We don’t do anything like what they did. That’s not our business.”

The documents are likely to raise questions about whether Vertol’s operation was in line with the Florida Department of Transportation’s explicit mission, as authorized by state law. A document labeled “FDOT Program Guidelines Relocation Program” states as its first guideline:

“The Department of Transportation (”Department”) manages a program to relocate out of the State of Florida foreign nationals who are not lawfully present in the United States (“Unauthorized Aliens”).”

The guidelines indicate that the state can spend up to $12 million on the program and that the vendor may pay for Spanish-language services, ground transportation, migrant “meals and lodging en route to destination” and must “ensure Unauthorized Alien reaches designated destination within 72 hours of request.”

Sen. Jason Pizzo’s reaction
State Sen. Jason Pizzo, a South Florida Democrat, acted as a private citizen and sued the governor, alleging that the program violates state law, in part because the migrants were not being relocated from Florida. The budget language allocating $12 million to establish the program stated that it was to be used for “the transport of unauthorized aliens from this state consistent with federal law.”

Pizzo said Friday that the documents buttress the claims made in his lawsuit.

“A fifth-grader could understand that they’re plainly violating the law,” he said, after reviewing the documents obtained by the Times/Herald. “It’s very clear that they are supposed to be relocating ‘unauthorized aliens’ from the state of Florida.”

He noted that the records show four Department of Transportation employees signed off on the $615,000 expenditure for the Martha’s Vineyard flights, including a legal review.

“This is all about politics,” Pizzo said. “DeSantis went ahead and made a statement that appeals to his base and they got very, very sloppy on the details.”

More records are still being sought
The letter Montgomerie signed indicates that Vertol would be paid for “aircraft, crew, maintenance logistics, fuel, coordination and planning, route preparation, route services, landing fees, ground handling and logistics and other Project-related expenses.”

The company also agreed to comply with the state’s public records laws and produce any records as required by contractors providing services to the state. But the company has not responded to repeated requests for comment by the Miami Herald and other entities, and neither the Florida Department of Transportation nor the governor’s office has produced the contract.

“FDOT is playing fast and loose with the public’s right to know,’’ said Michael Barfield, director of public access for the nonprofit Florida Center for Government Accountability, which first obtained the records on Friday along with the Times/Herald. “This production is incomplete, and the agency has had plenty of time to comply. We will now seek judicial enforcement of the Public Records Act.”

A second lawsuit has been filed challenging the program in federal court in Massachusetts. Three anonymous Venezuelan migrants and Alianza Americas, a transnational organization that advocates on behalf of immigrants’ rights, allege that DeSantis, the Florida Department of Transportation and others tricked migrants into leaving Texas by offering them McDonald’s gift cards and other items to board the flights, and by promising them assistance and employment. The lawsuit names five other people as defendants, including a man and woman believed by attorneys to have recruited migrants in San Antonio to board the planes.

DeSantis has denied that the people sent to Martha’s Vineyard had been tricked. The private contractor hired by the state to carry out the program told them where they were going, he said.
RayR Offline
#207 Posted:
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So.....why is violating the law a problem when the Biden regime and their lefty animals running other states do it all the time? Think

I guess ‘some animals are more equal than others’ Eh?
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Governor Ron DeSantis Takes Additional Actions to Protect Floridians from Biden’s Border Crisis



On June 17, 2022, in News Releases, by Staff

PENSACOLA, Fla. — Today, Governor DeSantis announced three significant actions Florida is taking to address the Biden Border Crisis. First, Governor DeSantis announced that Florida has formed a strike force of state and local law enforcement to interdict human smuggling, human trafficking, and to seize illegal weapons being transported through the state. Second, Governor DeSantis has filed a petition with the Florida Supreme Court to impanel a statewide grand jury to examine international human smuggling networks that bring aliens to the southern border, and ultimately to Florida. Third, Governor DeSantis signed Senate Bill 1808, sweeping legislation he proposed to further protect Floridians from the Biden Border Crisis. A one pager on today’s announcement can be found here.

“Illegal aliens are being smuggled across the border in record numbers, which the reckless policies of the Biden administration facilitate,” said Governor Ron DeSantis. “Today, Florida has taken additional action to protect our state from the effects of what is a full-fledged border crisis.”

“As a mother, protecting children is close to my heart,” said Attorney General Ashley Moody. “We cannot turn a blind eye to traffickers and smugglers exploiting the border crisis to subject children to extremely dangerous conditions. I am grateful that Governor DeSantis has asked the Florida Supreme Court to have my Statewide Prosecutor impanel a grand jury to uncover the facts surrounding those in Florida who may be involved.”

“While Biden ignores the mess he made at the border, under Governor DeSantis leadership, Florida is taking action to protect the people of our state,” said Senator Aaron Bean. “I was proud to sponsor Senate Bill 1808 to ensure that Floridians’ tax dollars do not go to the companies helping the federal government smuggle illegal aliens into our country.”

“While Joe Biden has been complicit in leaving our southern border wide open, under the leadership of Governor DeSantis’, Florida is standing up for the rule of law,” said Representative John Snyder. “By blocking midnight flights of unauthorized aliens and requiring our County Sheriffs to work with Immigration and Customs Enforcement, SB 1808 shows that as the Biden administration continues to turn a blind eye, Florida will do everything within our constitutional power to protect our people.”

“Keeping illegal activity out of our state and off our roadways is a battle that cannot be fought alone, and Florida is in good posture thanks to the strong support of Governor DeSantis, the Florida Legislature, and the effective collaboration between Florida’s law enforcement agencies,” said Colonel Gene S. Spaulding, Director of the Florida Highway Patrol. “Every day across Florida, the men and women of the Florida Highway Patrol put on their uniform and leave the safety and comfort of their homes to protect the citizens of our great state. They make these sacrifices because they are brave, because they are willing to serve, and because they are selfless. The citizens and visitors to our state can rest easy knowing that our law enforcement officers have their back, and the Governor has ours.”

“The effects of illegal immigration on our state present very real costs to our citizens and communities,” said Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) Acting Commissioner Mark Glass. “FDLE’s collaboration with our law enforcement partners throughout the state and ‘boots-on-the-ground’ police work proves effective at keeping all of us safer, as seen with this operation today.”

“Our strike force is dedicated to interdicting illegal activity in the state of Florida and working with the state attorneys to aggressively prosecute human smugglers and other criminals to the fullest extent of the law,” said Public Safety Czar Larry Keefe. “We appreciate the strike team’s dedication to keeping Florida safe.”

Governor DeSantis unveiled law enforcement’s efforts to combat immigration-related crimes. The strike force, made up of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Florida Highway Patrol, and sheriffs, is working together to conduct operations throughout the State of Florida to interdict human smuggling and human trafficking, drug smuggling and drug trafficking, as well as to seize illegal weapons. In the span of just three days, in Northwest Florida, law enforcement interdicted five illegal aliens from Honduras and two from El Salvador who were arrested and charged with human smuggling or solicitation to commit human smuggling. The strike force also recovered almost four grams of fentanyl, which is enough to kill nearly 2,000 Floridians.

Governor DeSantis filed a petition to the Florida Supreme Court for an order to impanel a statewide grand jury to identify and investigate persons and international human smuggling networks that move illegal aliens, particularly children, across the southwest border to more desirable states such as Florida. The jury will examine these networks’ impact on the State of Florida and how they have violated state laws. In addition, the grand jury will investigate local governments that are aiding this smuggling scheme by intentionally violating state law, which requires them to cooperate with the federal government on immigration matters.

Senate Bill (SB) 1808 prohibits a governmental entity from executing, amending, or renewing a contact with a common carrier if the carrier is willfully providing any service in furtherance of transporting an unauthorized alien into the State of Florida knowing that he or she is an unauthorized alien, except to facilitate the detention, removal, or departure of the unauthorized person from Florida or the United States. This bill makes it clear that Florida resources will not be used to aid the Biden administration’s practice of secretly resettling illegal aliens into communities across Florida. SB 1808 also requires any law enforcement agency operating a county detention facility to enter into a written agreement with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to participate in the 287(g) program. This program allows for state and local law enforcement officers to collaborate with ICE to enforce our nation’s immigration laws.

These actions today build upon previous actions taken to safeguard Floridians from the Biden Border Crisis. On September 28, 2021, Governor DeSantis announced actions to address the Biden Border Crisis, including issuing Executive Order 21-223.

https://www.flgov.com/2022/06/17/governor-ron-desantis-takes-additional-actions-to-protect-floridians-from-bidens-border-crisis/


This is what REAL Leadership looks like.

No "May", "Could" or "Mabye"
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Florida OKs bill aimed at keeping immigrants out of state



March 9, 2022

All Florida government agencies would be barred from doing business with transportation companies that bring immigrants to the state who are in the country illegally under a bill sent to Gov. Ron DeSantis on Wednesday.

The bill is a priority for the Republican governor and an effort to to keep the federal government from sending people crossing the Mexican border illegally to Florida. DeSantis, who is running for reelection this year and is a potential 2024 presidential contender, has repeatedly criticized President Joe Biden’s immigration policies.

The House voted 77-42 in favor of the bill, with Republicans saying illegal immigration needs to be dealt with and Democrats saying that the only reason for the bill is to boost DeSantis’ political ambitions and it plays into fears about immigrants.

“I came to America the correct way,” said Republican Rep. Webster Barnaby, who immigrated from England. “This is all about enforcement. This is all about stopping those people that are illegally bringing people ... directly to Florida from being able to do that.”

Barnaby said immigrants being transported to states after crossing the Mexican border illegally “is nothing short of an invasion.”

Once signed by DeSantis, the bill will prohibit any government agency, state or local, from doing business with any airline, bus or other transportation company paid by the federal government to bring immigrants to Florida who are in the country illegally.

“Don’t give into this fearmongering, don’t give into this hate, don’t give into this treating people like they are not human beings. They are. They’re our brothers and sisters. Treat them decently, treat them with respect,” said Democratic Rep. Joe Geller.

Democratic Rep. Anna said the bill was politically motivated.

“This is another example of political rhetoric and campaigns masquerading as a bill,” she said. “This entire bill is a facade being used to boost up campaign coffers in 2022 and 2024, because I know the second this bill is signed by the governor, there will be a fundraising email coming out right after.”

Immigration has been a main talking point for Republicans attacking Biden, whose approval has dipped as the GOP seeks to take back the U.S. House during the 2022 midterm elections.

Republican Rep. Melony Bell said the bill is a matter of making the state safer. She said a constituent sent her a photo last week showing two buses dropping off immigrants in the country illegally.

“These people were left, put out on the street, no jobs, no food, no shelter,” she said. “Once they get here, there’s nothing for them to do. They get into crime, they start driving vehicles drunk, they kill off citizens.”

The legislation also expands on a bill that DeSantis signed into law in 2019 that would ban local government sanctuary polices and require local law enforcement to make their best effort to work with federal immigration enforcement authorities.

Parts of that law were struck down last year by a federal judge who repeatedly said the law was racially motivated and that supporters showed no evidence that it was needed to lower crime. The state appealed the decision and the matter remains unsettled.

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-biden-business-florida-ron-desantis-a16cc42c3a77bd80e2c45ee8e6234c13


Following the intent of the bill.

The Federal Government needs to learn how to read and stop listening to the White House spox.
rfenst Offline
#210 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Governor Ron DeSantis Takes Additional Actions to Protect Floridians from Biden’s Border Crisis



On June 17, 2022, in News Releases, by Staff
[i][b]
PENSACOLA, Fla. — Today, Governor DeSantis announced three significant actions Florida is taking to address the Biden Border Crisis. First, Governor DeSantis announced that Florida has formed a strike force of state and local law enforcement to interdict human smuggling, human trafficking, and to seize illegal weapons being transported through the state. Second, Governor DeSantis has filed a petition with the Florida Supreme Court to impanel a statewide grand jury to examine international human smuggling networks that bring aliens to the southern border, and ultimately to Florida. Third, Governor DeSantis signed Senate Bill 1808, sweeping legislation he proposed to further protect Floridians from the Biden Border Crisis. A one pager on today’s announcement can be found here.


I don't disagree with this as it is solely in Florida's best interest and is not a taxpayer-financed political "look at me", folly.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#211 Posted:
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Really pay attention to the dates. That's why I posted the articles. The main street media aren't telling you the WHOLE story. The laws were passed waaaay before the Ritchie Rich's were offended on Martha's Vineyard.


#FJB
#LETSGOBRANDON
rfenst Offline
#212 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Really pay attention to the dates. That's why I posted the articles. The main street media aren't telling you the WHOLE story. The laws were passed waaaay before the Ritchie Rich's were offended on Martha's Vineyard.


#FJB
#LETSGOBRANDON

So, they earned or inherited more money than we did. It's the American way. What's wrong with that?
rfenst Offline
#213 Posted:
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Just because there is a law, doesn't mean that it treats people fairly and can be contested in the courts.

But, even if the law is upheld, WTF about transferring people from Texas to Florida to t dumping them their final destination and basically just dumping them?

And, why should Florida's money be used for this when the immigrants weren't even in Florida to begin with?
RayR Offline
#214 Posted:
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I think the governors want to be compensated by the Biden Regime for their expenses related to transporting their illegal cargo to LEFTY sanctuary cities.
rfenst Offline
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Lawsuit accuses DeSantis of withholding records over migrant flights

A group asserted in a lawsuit that the DeSantis administration is improperly withholding public records associated with the flights that brought nearly 50 migrants to Martha's Vineyard.

POLITICO

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Florida GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis’ much-publicized effort to fly migrants from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard has drawn its third lawsuit.

An open government group on Monday asserted in a lawsuit that the DeSantis administration is improperly withholding public records associated with the two charter flights that brought nearly 50 Venezuelan migrants to the resort island in Massachusetts.

The Florida Center for Government Accountability wants a judge to order the DeSantis administration to turn over phone and text logs for DeSantis’ chief of staff James Uthmeier as well as records exchanged with the company that set up the flights and copies of the waivers signed by the migrants who were on the flights.

Florida has a well-regarded open records law that is enshrined in the state constitution that requires local and government agencies to turn over government records although there are no concrete requirements for when records must be turned over.

“No public records law exemption applies that would prevent the inspection or copying of the records sought by plaintiff and no exemption has been asserted by defendants,” states the lawsuit filed in circuit court in Tallahassee. “Defendants’ refusal to provide the records is unreasonable, unjustified and amounts to an unlawful delay and refusal to provide the records.”


The lawsuit comes three days after the administration released some information related to the September flights, including requisition documents with Vertol Systems Company, the Panhandle-based company that has been paid $1.56 million so far and information from other potential vendors.

Those documents released by the governor’s office also show that the Department of Transportation guidelines for the relocation program said that vendors hired by the state would assist in the relocation of “unauthorized aliens who are found in Florida and have agreed to be relocated to another state in the United States or the District of Columbia.” The migrants, however, were flown from San Antonio, which has sparked a probe from a sheriff in Texas.

Barbara Petersen, director of the group that filed the lawsuit, said in an email that while some records have been released, “we made a number of requests and to date have received very few records in response.”

There was no immediate response from the DeSantis administration over this latest lawsuit.

Last month, a Democratic state senator filed a lawsuit that asked a judge to block DeSantis from spending any more money on the relocation program, which was allotted a budget of $12 million by the Republican-controlled Florida Legislature. State Sen. Jason Pizzo (D-Miami) contends that the way that the state has handled the program violated guidelines that were included in the budget.

A Boston-based civil rights law firm has also filed a federal class action lawsuit in Massachusetts that contends the flights were a “premeditated, fraudulent, and illegal scheme” that misled the group of migrants. That lawsuit alleged people working for DeSantis lured the migrants onto flights with false promises of jobs in Boston or Washington.
MACS Offline
#216 Posted:
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I have my FL license and my voter ID card.

Desantis has my vote.
HockeyDad Offline
#217 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
I have my FL license and my voter ID card.

Desantis has my vote.


I will still be a California voter this time. Too late to register in Texas.
Stogie1020 Offline
#218 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
[b]Lawsuit accuses DeSantis of withholding records over migrant flights

A group asserted in a lawsuit that the DeSantis administration is improperly withholding public records associated with the flights that brought nearly 50 migrants to Martha's Vineyard.



Hmmmm, Robert. I realize this suit is brought by a FL group, but it seems no cares were given when the Biden admin was secretly flying migrants all over the country in the middle of the night and actively supressing information about these flights, even to the municipalities receiving them.


Someone is looking for a political "gotcha" (which they likely won't get) instead of actually talking about the problem... Sounds familiar.
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#219 Posted:
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Hmmmm, Robert. I realize this suit is brought by a FL group, but it seems no cares were given when the Biden admin was secretly flying migrants all over the country in the middle of the night and actively supressing information about these flights, even to the municipalities receiving them.


Someone is looking for a political "gotcha" (which they likely won't get) instead of actually talking about the problem... Sounds familiar.

wouldn't be the first time I was wrong, but I've replied to this charge a few times now...

BOTH Biden and Trump administrations did this. And neither had a choice (by law) as it was to protect the passengers who were the separated children of illegals being flown to locations to reunite with family already here, or failing that, placing them in safer, more appropriate settings.

I'm not going to research it again but please let me know if I got it wrong back when I looked into it.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#220 Posted:
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Fizzle...fizzle...fizzle...poof.


Want to see what leadership looks like? Go to this link:

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/10/12/biden-admin-opens-up-fed-investigation-into-ron-desantis-n642362

Look at the before and after pics of the bridge going to Pine Island.

The DNC is scared $hitless. They see the bevvy of verifiable leaders the GOP has in it's stable...ready to hit the ground running. Moving upward and onward. Lefty has to attack them at each step...because. They're unable and unwilling to do the lifting that America wants and needs. We don't need words. We don't need to build anything back better. That's a fallacy on their part that's blown up in their faces more spectacularly than an ACME product used by Wily E. Coyote! It was fine the way it was. EVERYONE knows it. Now, EVERYONE feels it.

The last 2 paragraphs in the link:

"Yet where’s the effort to stop Biden’s actions by the Democrats or the investigation into his misuse of tax dollars? Where’s the investigation of the Democrats who truly misused the funds?

COVID funds have been used for law enforcement in multiple places, such as Mesa, Arizona, so it’s completely in line with that. Plus, the money DeSantis used came from a fund approved by the state legislature to relocate those who have entered the country illegally. The funds came from $12 million in interest from COVID funds, not the COVID funds themselves."


Yeah. Provide cover for the heinous acts the DNC has done and blame others for your acts...all done with taxpayer dollars too. We're all paying for this coming and going. Nice gig if you can get it...and they do.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#221 Posted:
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"Go to bed. You'll feel better in the morning," is the human version of "Did you turn it off and back on again?"
rfenst Offline
#222 Posted:
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Hmmmm, Robert. I realize this suit is brought by a FL group, but it seems no cares were given when the Biden admin was secretly flying migrants all over the country in the middle of the night and actively supressing information about these flights, even to the municipalities receiving them.


Someone is looking for a political "gotcha" (which they likely won't get) instead of actually talking about the problem... Sounds familiar.

This is about a failure to comply with an open records act.
HockeyDad Offline
#223 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
This is about a failure to comply with an open records act.


Prolly gonna need an FBI raid!
DrafterX Offline
#224 Posted:
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What did Elian do now..??Huh
Stogie1020 Offline
#225 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
This is about a failure to comply with an open records act.

Sure, but this is a tool they are using. They don't really care about the government's failure to comply with the open records act in general, they want this info, and are upset they are being stonewalled. This isn't some altruistic group that fights for free availability of all government records. They have a specific motive.
rfenst Offline
#226 Posted:
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Sure, but this is a tool they are using. They don't really care about the government's failure to comply with the open records act in general, they want this info, and are upset they are being stonewalled. This isn't some altruistic group that fights for free availability of all government records. They have a specific motive.

Mostly not true.
rfenst Offline
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When Segregationists Offered One-Way Tickets to Black Southerners

The “reverse freedom rides” of 1962 were meant to provoke Northern politicians, and have drawn comparisons to the recent flights of migrants to Martha’s Vineyard.

NYT

When two planeloads of asylum seekers were flown to Martha’s Vineyard last month, Peola Denham Jr. recognized an echo of his own experience from six decades ago — one nearly forgotten in the long history of Black Americans’ struggle for civil rights.

“What really took me back,” recalled Mr. Denham, 73, “is that when the people got to their destinations, they didn’t get what they were promised.”

The migrants on Martha’s Vineyard, who were primarily from Venezuela, found themselves repeating history, pawns in a political fight. The promise — as dozens of them would later recount to lawyers and journalists — was of jobs and resettlement help. Instead, they arrived with no warning to the community, which nevertheless scrambled to find them food and shelter.

For Mr. Denham, in the spring of 1962, the promise came in the form of bus and train tickets offered to his family and other Black Southerners by members of the White Citizens’ Council, a segregationist group, to take them to Northern and Western states where many were promised jobs and housing.

“My parents, coming up the way we came up, and all the hardships we were having in segregated Baton Rouge — I guess that’s the reason why they were ready to get out."

That’s how Mr. Denham, at 12 years old, found himself on the Southern Pacific Railway from Baton Rouge, La., to Los Angeles, along with his father, stepmother and nine siblings.

They were among a couple hundred participants in what came to be known as the reverse freedom rides, a segregationist political stunt that had ripple effects across generations of Black families, and whose parallels were noted by historians and others after the migrant flights touched down in Martha’s Vineyard.

Mr. Denham’s memories of his train ride and its origins are hazy. His stepmother, he said, was interested in the tickets because she had relatives in California. “My parents, coming up the way we came up, and all the hardships we were having in segregated Baton Rouge — I guess that’s the reason why they were ready to get out,” he said.

Mr. Denham remembers a rush of reporters approaching the family when the train made a stop in Texas, telling his parents that their tickets had been paid for by racists, which he said surprised and upset them. Mr. Denham also remembers arriving at a Los Angeles train station, where the family was again mobbed by reporters.

A group of asylum seekers stayed at the Migrant Resource Center in San Antonio before they were sent to Martha’s Vineyard on a chartered flight.Credit...Matthew Busch for The New York Times
Clive Webb, a professor of American history at the University of Sussex, said the reverse freedom rides — concocted in response to the Freedom Rides organized by civil rights groups to challenge segregation on interstate buses — attracted plenty of media attention at the time, but have since been largely overlooked. In a 2004 paper on the subject, he estimated that more than 200 Black Southerners took the free tickets.

Where were the migrants from? The 48 migrants who were taken from a shelter in San Antonio to Martha’s Vineyard in mid-September are Venezuelans who had crossed the southwest border without authorization and had turned themselves in to border officials; many likely planned to claim asylum. After being taken into custody, they had been released to face future proceedings.

Who flew them to Martha’s Vineyard? Why? The migrants were sent to the island in two planeloads by Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, a Republican. The move was one in a series of similar drop-offs, often by bus, to Democratic strongholds orchestrated by Republican governors in recent months as a way to provoke public outrage over migrant arrivals at the border.

What happened to the migrants after they arrived on the land? Volunteers and officials in Martha’s Vineyard welcomed the migrants with food and clothing and gave them shelter at a local church. A few days later, the migrants boarded buses for a temporary shelter at Joint Base Cape Cod.

Are the drop-offs legal? Once migrants have been released and served documents to appear in court, they are free to travel within the United States; it is not illegal for a state government to pay for that travel. But on Sept. 20, the migrants taken to Martha’s Vineyard filed a lawsuit against Mr. DeSantis and other state officials, accusing them of engaging in a “fraudulent and discriminatory scheme” by lying about where they were being taken.

Are the claims being investigated? Yes. A county sheriff in Texas has opened a criminal investigation into the drop-offs, saying that it was clear that many of the migrants had been misled and lured away from Texas to score political points. The sheriff, who has been a critic of the Republican handling of illegal immigration, added that his decision to open the investigation was not politically motivated.

But the Martha’s Vineyard flights, along with the busing of Central American migrants to the vice president’s residence in Washington last month, dredged the reverse freedom rides back into public consciousness. A letter signed by some House Democrats accused the Republican governors who arranged the trips of “using the same ploys” as the segregationists of 1962, while the Biden administration accused them of using the migrants as political pawns.

“No historical parallel is ever precise,” Dr. Webb said of the comparisons between the migrant trips and the reverse freedom rides. “But it was a cheap publicity stunt in the early ’60s, and this is a publicity stunt, too.”

The migrants taken to Martha’s Vineyard on flights arranged by Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida had recently crossed the southwestern U.S. border without authorization and turned themselves in to border officials to seek asylum, with many saying they had fled violence at home. The migrants who were dropped at Vice President Kamala Harris’s home the same week, on buses sent from Texas by Gov. Greg Abbott, were from Colombia, Cuba, Guyana, Nicaragua and Panama and came into the country in the same manner.

A spokeswoman for Mr. Abbott called comparisons of transporting migrants to high-profile destinations with the reverse freedom rides “a garbage attempt to deflect from the hypocrisy of Democrat mayors.” Representatives of Mr. DeSantis did not respond to requests for comment.

Those attention-getting moments were an escalation of a tactic being used by Southern officials this year to shift the problems of border crossings onto Northern states. Since the spring, Texas and Arizona have provided thousands of undocumented migrants with bus rides to Northern cities, including New York, Chicago and Washington, taxing those cities’ capacities to provide emergency food and housing. Mayor Eric Adams of New York recently declared a state of emergency and called for state and federal funding to help pay for housing and services for the migrants.

Arizona officials described the state’s chartered buses as a humanitarian project — distinct from the efforts of Texas and Florida — and said that the roughly two thousand migrants who traveled from there to Washington this year had been vetted to ensure they wanted to go east and knew where they were headed.

Unlike the reverse freedom riders, who were from the American South, many of the migrants who boarded buses this year had no personal ties to the U.S. border towns they departed from. Many have since connected with family members in the cities where they arrived, or begun to put down roots far from the southern border.

All of this feels familiar to Dolores DaLuz, 88, a longtime civil rights activist in Massachusetts. In May 1962, she learned that dozens of Black Southerners had taken a reverse freedom ride bus from Arkansas to Hyannis, Mass., where she lived. Segregationists chose the spot because it was close to where President John F. Kennedy and his family vacationed.

Ms. DaLuz rushed downtown to find the bewildered travelers. “They said that their governor had sent them down and told them that Kennedy would be there waiting for them with jobs and housing,” she said. “Of course, there was no such thing.”

“I’ve seen this movie before, so I’m not really surprised that it’s happening again.”

Like the residents of Martha’s Vineyard did for the migrants last month, Ms. DaLuz and other residents of Hyannis scrambled to help the travelers find food and shelter, she said. But opportunities in Hyannis were limited, and many of them eventually scattered across New England.

“I’ve seen this movie before, so I’m not really surprised that it’s happening again,” Ms. DaLuz said. “It’s just disheartening, like we’ve got to go back and do it all over again.”

The White Citizens’ Council was fighting a losing battle for public support in the 1960s when members came up with the reverse freedom rides “as a public relations exercise that would at once politically embarrass their Northern liberal critics and thereby reestablish their support among white Southerners,” according to Dr. Webb’s account.

The destinations, which included New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Redwood Falls, Minn., and Pocatello, Idaho, were chosen because they were home to politicians who had supported integration.

‘‘We are telling the North to put up or shut up,” George Singelmann, an architect of the rides, was reported saying in May 1962.

The organization alerted news media outlets in order to attract coverage, but much of it was critical. The New York Times described the stunt as “cheap trafficking in human misery on the part of Southern racists.” Dr. Webb found that some Southern segregationist news outlets also condemned the tactic — one New Orleans station called it “sick sensationalism” — and a Gallup poll published in June 1962 suggested widespread public disapproval.

For those who took the free tickets, the reverse freedom rides can be a sensitive subject. At the time, some civil rights activists urged the riders not to go.

After arriving in Los Angeles, Mr. Denham remembers staying with his family at a hotel, and then moving to a public-housing project in the city before finally settling at a home in Compton.

He remembers hot and sunny days in California, where he attended his first integrated school and made friends of different races. He remembers long evenings when he and his siblings would play outside, grateful for the chill of the Santa Ana winds. Sometimes they would fall asleep on the lawn, he said, until his father returned home from a night shift to wake them up.

“We just tried to make a life out there,” he said, adding that while it wasn’t perfect, he was happy.

Many of the reverse freedom riders ultimately went back home, including Mr. Denham, who spent a few years in California before his father split from his stepmother and brought him back to Louisiana. He now lives in Destrehan, on the edge of New Orleans.

His parents have died, but he still has many family members in Louisiana — as well as two sisters who remain in California. Sometimes, Mr. Denham said, they try to convince him to move back West.
HockeyDad Offline
#228 Posted:
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The title should be:

When Democrats Offered One-Way Tickets to Black Southerners

(Pepperidge Farms remembers)
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#229 Posted:
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Remember when Democrats got those 50 Venezuelans off Martha’s Vineyard in only 44 hours?!
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In 50yrs instead of colorizing old photos, we'll be removing app filters
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Shame on Abbott and DeSantis…oh wait, this guy is a Democrat!

Colorado Gov. Jared Polis is busing migrants who recently arrived in Denver from the southern U.S. border to other “major cities.

Why it matters: The Democratic governor's move echoes actions by Republican governors in Texas and Florida that were labeled callous and cruel.”

https://www.axios.com/2023/01/03/colorado-migrant-governor-polis-bus-new-york
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Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan

So...a democrat is loose off the reservation releasing illegals all willy nilly?

The DNC better tighten it up.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan

So...a democrat is loose off the reservation releasing illegals all willy nilly?

The DNC better tighten it up.


Doesn't he know they have to stay there and pick the crops?

Signed,
Dirty Nancy
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The romaine ain’t picking itself.
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I thought the romaine had a bad case of dehydration
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HockeyDad wrote:
The romaine ain’t picking itself.


The installed governor of AZ started tearing down the makeshift barricades so more illegals can run across the border.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The installed governor of AZ started tearing down the makeshift barricades so more illegals can run across the border.

Well…the barricades were killin bald eagles….
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