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Why does it take a few states to count votes while the majority can do it in one day
Ktaz Offline
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Why are we waiting of Arizona, Colorado and a few other states to count votes?? If the majority of states can get there **** together shouldn’t theses few swing states revamp their voting to be more like the states that can do it in one day. Get rid of widespread mail in voting since it is so rip for fraud and extends counting so unnecessarily.
MACS Offline
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The person running for Governor in AZ is in charge of counting the votes?

I think Florida is doing it right. I trust the process here, having seen how it works and participated in it. Maybe we need to adopt that process for the whole country before the next go round.
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Nationalize the voting laws..?? Mellow
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^No, but it sure would be nice if there were some general standards all states would agree on...

As I understand it, the issue here in AZ is that there are always a large group of people who (A) request a mail in ballot, and (B) do not mail it back in but rather drop it off on election day at a polling place or a drop box. This causes issues because there is a sudden influx of ballots that need to have a signature/address verified manually, which takes time.

When I showed up to vote in person, I had to scan my DL and sign a digital form stating the address and name were mine. An apparently random sample of these scans (me included) were verified by a poll worker who looked at my license and me to confirm I was who I said I was.

All AZ has to do is require that anyone dropping a mail in ballot off at a poll location on election day simply open the envelope, verify their identity/address the same way I had to, and then run the ballot through the tabulator...

I am sure this disenfrachises people somehow, but I will wait for Brewhahaha to come along and tell me how that works.
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Stogie1020 wrote:
^No, but it sure would be nice if there were some general standards all states would agree on...

As I understand it, the issue here in AZ is that there are always a large group of people who (A) request a mail in ballot, and (B) do not mail it back in but rather drop it off on election day at a polling place or a drop box. This causes issues because there is a sudden influx of ballots that need to have a signature/address verified manually, which takes time.

When I showed up to vote in person, I had to scan my DL and sign a digital form stating the address and name were mine. An apparently random sample of these scans (me included) were verified by a poll worker who looked at my license and me to confirm I was who I said I was.

All AZ has to do is require that anyone dropping a mail in ballot off at a poll location on election day simply open the envelope, verify their identity/address the same way I had to, and then run the ballot through the tabulator...

I am sure this disenfrachises people somehow, but I will wait for Brewhahaha to come along and tell me how that works.

sensible.
Arizona has had many many years of heavy mail ins without accusations. Glitches for sure, but no one reacted radically until, well, you know who.

Also has been very Republican for 70 years or so. But demographics are changing all over the country as people retire and stuff.
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MACS wrote:
The person running for Governor in AZ is in charge of counting the votes?

I think Florida is doing it right. I trust the process here, having seen how it works and participated in it. Maybe we need to adopt that process for the whole country before the next go round.

hanging chad, anyone?
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frankj1 wrote:
hanging chad, anyone?


Florida also used to be a Spanish colony a long time ago.
burning_sticks Offline
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Stogie1020 wrote:
^No, but it sure would be nice if there were some general standards all states would agree on...

As I understand it, the issue here in AZ is that there are always a large group of people who (A) request a mail in ballot, and (B) do not mail it back in but rather drop it off on election day at a polling place or a drop box. This causes issues because there is a sudden influx of ballots that need to have a signature/address verified manually, which takes time.

When I showed up to vote in person, I had to scan my DL and sign a digital form stating the address and name were mine. An apparently random sample of these scans (me included) were verified by a poll worker who looked at my license and me to confirm I was who I said I was.

All AZ has to do is require that anyone dropping a mail in ballot off at a poll location on election day simply open the envelope, verify their identity/address the same way I had to, and then run the ballot through the tabulator...

I am sure this disenfrachises people somehow, but I will wait for Brewhahaha to come along and tell me how that works.


Except 20% of the tabulators went down within minutes of the poll opening, some for bad batteries. Care to guess the way the districts with bad tabulators lean. Also another 300,000 ballots were found today was a report I heard.

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Ktaz Offline
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The hang chad is what drove Florida to revamp their voting process. They also instituted a very efficient workflow for mail in ballots to be counted quickly. All Arizona officials have to do is go on a fact finding missing to Florida to see how to run a efficient election. But we all know that it will never happen while the Demotards are in Control
Ktaz Offline
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The hang chad is what drove Florida to revamp their voting process. They also instituted a very efficient workflow for mail in ballots to be counted quickly. All Arizona officials have to do is go on a fact finding missing to Florida to see how to run a efficient election. But we all know that it will never happen while the Demotards are in Control
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burning_sticks wrote:
Except 20% of the tabulators went down within minutes of the poll opening, some for bad batteries. Care to guess the way the districts with bad tabulators lean. Also another 300,000 ballots were found today was a report I heard.


There were actually two issues with the tabulators (I experienced one). First, some poll workers got locked out of the software because then entered the wrong password three times. Had to sit on the bench for a time out. Second, and the one I fell victim to, was that the printers at polling locations that printed the ballots (each is printed specifically for each voter based on his/her address) was not printing dark enough on the "B side" and so the tabulators were kicking the ballots back out as unreadable.

This second issue DID disenfranchise people. My wife went to vote and a guy voting at the same time had his ballot unreadable by the tabulator. The poll worker had no idea what to do (she should have dropped the ballot into the provisional box) and she just stood there trying again and again. According to my wife (who I trust with my testes) the voter eventually said "I gotta go to work" and left, without submitting a valid ballot. It's unknown how many times that happened though.

Also, in AZ, the system is set up so once you check in and verify your identity, if you don't get to cast a valid ballot, you basically cannot vote at another polling center (like one with working printers) because the system thinks you already voted (due to checking in at a prior location).
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Stogie1020 wrote:
There were actually two issues with the tabulators (I experienced one). First, some poll workers got locked out of the software because then entered the wrong password three times. Had to sit on the bench for a time out. Second, and the one I fell victim to, was that the printers at polling locations that printed the ballots (each is printed specifically for each voter based on his/her address) was not printing dark enough on the "B side" and so the tabulators were kicking the ballots back out as unreadable.

This second issue DID disenfranchise people. My wife went to vote and a guy voting at the same time had his ballot unreadable by the tabulator. The poll worker had no idea what to do (she should have dropped the ballot into the provisional box) and she just stood there trying again and again. According to my wife (who I trust with my testes) the voter eventually said "I gotta go to work" and left, without submitting a valid ballot. It's unknown how many times that happened though.

Also, in AZ, the system is set up so once you check in and verify your identity, if you don't get to cast a valid ballot, you basically cannot vote at another polling center (like one with working printers) because the system thinks you already voted (due to checking in at a prior location).

heard the Bill Gates guy say that poll workers are instructed to put unreadable ballots (like the light ink type this week) into something called "Box 3" to be counted later. You live there and probably know about this better than everyone who will predictably start foaming at the mouth.

I simply can't imagine such a large undertaking as our national voting going off without glitches and breakdowns...probably since the very first election...but people simply have to stop calling that as proof of sinister plots...until they can come up with proof... And no one has been able to do that despite all the Democracy damaging noise and death threats and stuff.

not directed at you, stogie.
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"as peeps retire and S.T.U.F.F. ..." Post #5...🤔🤔🤔🤦🤦🤦🤪🤪🤪🤯🤯🤯🤯

BWUHAHAHAHA!!!!!

THAT SURELY MAKES VOTE COUNTING TAKE LONGER....

THOSE FEW STATES NEED TO HAVE RED HOT IRON POKERS UP THeir poll workers ASSES...

COUNTING VOTES ONLY TAKES ONE DAY IN PA...

Except for the pandemic election in 2020...
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Mr. Jones wrote:
"as peeps retire and S.T.U.F.F. ..." Post #5...🤔🤔🤔🤦🤦🤦🤪🤪🤪🤯🤯🤯🤯

BWUHAHAHAHA!!!!!

THAT SURELY MAKES VOTE COUNTING TAKE LONGER....

THOSE FEW STATES NEED TO HAVE RED HOT IRON POKERS UP THeir poll workers ASSES...

COUNTING VOTES ONLY TAKES ONE DAY IN PA...

Except for the pandemic election in 2020...

you totally missed what it meant.
Demographics have changed, so a traditionally solid GOP state, Arizona, has a chitload of retirees from more liberal parts of the country!
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"Strap on" spelled backwards is "No parts."
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The longer they can stretch out the count the easier it is for dems to steal the vote
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frankj1 wrote:
you totally missed what it meant.
Demographics have changed, so a traditionally solid GOP state, Arizona, has a chitload of retirees from more liberal parts of the country!

IE: California...
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Why at 7:09 with only 4% of the votes did the Associated Press announce JB FitzFugger winner in the Illinois Governor race?

Because the Illinois Republican Party are Wolves in Sheep Clothing!!!

I worked the Alan Keys Vs. Barak Obama Senate race (Republican Party) Keys was brought in late because a (Ryan) dropped out over corruption charges. Alan Keys kicked Barak's a$$ all over in every Debate. and still lost, because Illinois was setting this puppet up for greater things... an Abraham Lincoln he was/is NOT!!!

fast forward, Senate Race Mike Psak Vs. Dinosaur ****** Durban.. at the time they also changed districts around... I worked this Campaign for Psak.. Psak in the lead, Durbans office contacted Psaks party (him personally) and offered $% Mil. Mike PSak lost marginal? He left the States to become a school teacher in Japan?? What a Crock of Landsliding CHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Across this Land we have Candidates who want to do good for their Continuants, once elected they are brought into a black room in Washington DC and told your going to do it our way and become Rich, or we are going to find dirt on you and your A$$ will be blackballed and Gone!!! "Insider Trading" is their offer for a better life, while these Rich Fat Politicians play with the Dem/Repub Populis by keeping chit divided and Households working to make ends meet with Poverty..

Wake the Fugg Up People there isn't a two party system anymore!!!

Rolling Stones: Under My Thumb!! & Sympathy for the Devil come to mind!!!
https://youtu.be/GgnClrx8N2k
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I agree in part. Everything except the candidates who want to do good and are coerced into the system. All politicians are self serving chitstains. All politicians. All parties. All the time


If Apple owned the ISS, it would spell disaster for other spacecraft that wanted to dock with it
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WOW! The radical SOB emerges. The whole kit and kaboodle is corrupt. Not a dang bit of a difference between the D's and the R's when you get down to it. When either is in power, they both feel no shame in passing out the stolen loot for self-serving interests and doing unconstitutional criminal acts.

I agree in part. with RiverRatRuss also....except that part about Obama, where he says "Abraham Lincoln he was/is NOT!!!" Au contraire, mon ami, Obummer lied and looted like a Lincoln. You gotta lose that Lincoln guy as some sort of godly cartoon figure. The Democrats as well as the Neocons and Straussian factions of the Republican Party both hold him up as a saintly martyr That's got to tell you something is wrong, it's time to pause and reflect.
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frankj1 wrote:
hanging chad, anyone?


After that fiasco is when they fixed it here. No issues since.
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MACS wrote:
After that fiasco is when they fixed it here. No issues since.

pretty sure that is not accurate...perhaps no large scale problems in ensuing Presidential votes.

But that chad deal was actually real, unlike the still unsubstantiated claims that fly around now.
It likely cost the guy who won the popular vote the Presidency...

for those who like to think circumstantial evidence is enough proof to convict (it isn't, btw) guess who was Governor of Florida at the time?


JEB!
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frankj1 wrote:
pretty sure that is not accurate...perhaps no large scale problems in ensuing Presidential votes.

But that chad deal was actually real, unlike the still unsubstantiated claims that fly around now.
It likely cost the guy who won the popular vote the Presidency...

for those who like to think circumstantial evidence is enough proof to convict (it isn't, btw) guess who was Governor of Florida at the time?


JEB!


Pretty sure that is not accurate either but it did start the era of the belief in invalid/rigged elections.

None of the recounts ever showed Gore winning. What likely did more damage than hanging chads was the butterfly ballot in Palm Beach county. That supervisor of elections was a nice lady who meant well. I’ve met her. It cost her the job though when the Democrats burned her.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Pretty sure that is not accurate either but it did start the era of the belief in invalid/rigged elections.

None of the recounts ever showed Gore winning. What likely did more damage than hanging chads was the butterfly ballot in Palm Beach county. That supervisor of elections was a nice lady who meant well. I’ve met her. It cost her the job though when the Democrats burned her.

pretty sure that it is accurate there have been issues (non presidential elections) in Florida since then.

The issue of hanging chads was that it was unclear for whom the chad punch(es) was/were intended.
Personally, I think they got it right, but can you imagine the outrage (OUTRAGE!) in our lovely forum as currently populated had it happened to Trump? I mean, look at how mental they Trumpers are with bullchit claims! At least this one was real.
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JED!
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frankj1 wrote:
pretty sure that it is accurate there have been issues (non presidential elections) in Florida since then.

The issue of hanging chads was that it was unclear for whom the chad punch(es) was/were intended.
Personally, I think they got it right, but can you imagine the outrage (OUTRAGE!) in our lovely forum as currently populated had it happened to Trump? I mean, look at how mental they Trumpers are with bullchit claims! At least this one was real.



You mean that election for dog catcher in Jefferson County? Yeah, that was a mess.

The issue with hanging chads was the Democrats needed more votes. Fast forward to 2016 and #notmypresident. Now you’re worried about Trumpsters questioning elections?



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Clearly this ain't working. Let's pull a name from a hat. Winner gets a 90 day probationary period before the country votes on confidence to finish the term. We'll use the American Idol voting system. Nobody questions that chit
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anyone with a brain would worry about Trumpsters questioning elections.
The Chads was about like 500 votes! And it was actually an issue of the actual physical ballots with actual uncertainty...and it was resolved properly.
Do you have any info of verified evidence of the 2020 election being stolen?
You'd be the onliest one if you did...so far.

Before you answer, I feel you should know that Chavez was dead before the geniuses claimed he sold rigged machines to us.
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frankj1 wrote:
anyone with a brain would worry about Trumpsters questioning elections.
The Chads was about like 500 votes! And it was actually an issue of the actual physical ballots with actual uncertainty...and it was resolved properly.
Do you have any info of verified evidence of the 2020 election being stolen?
You'd be the onliest one if you did...so far.

Before you answer, I feel you should know that Chavez was dead before the geniuses claimed he sold rigged machines to us.


People with a brain would worry about Trumpsters questioning elections but would not worry one bit when Democrats question elections? That’s how we got here. Goose/gander.

I never have suggested that the 2020 election was stolen so I’m not sure why you’re asking me but it does beg the question as to why you are suppressing evidence of Chinese Communist Party manipulation of the past 6 US presidential elections?
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All elections are stolen because they are all about who gets to steal.

"Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction in stolen goods." - H.L. Mencken
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[quote=frankj=
But that chad deal was actually real, unlike the still unsubstantiated claims that fly around now.
It likely cost the guy who won the popular vote the Presidency...

f

JEB! [/quote]
You don't win the presidency with the popular vote, HS civics should have taught you that.
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burning_sticks wrote:
[quote=frankj=
But that chad deal was actually real, unlike the still unsubstantiated claims that fly around now.
It likely cost the guy who won the popular vote the Presidency...

f

JEB!

You don't win the presidency with the popular vote, HS civics should have taught you that.
[/quote]
is this news to you?
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HockeyDad wrote:
People with a brain would worry about Trumpsters questioning elections but would not worry one bit when Democrats question elections? That’s how we got here. Goose/gander.


maybe an actual Democrat can answer better than me, but as I recall the 2000 problem in Florida wasn't being questioned based on unsubstantiated claims and flat out made up crap, but on the physical evidence of the questionable chads in a small number of ballots in a small amount of the state...in a neck and neck vote count that could/would have made the difference.

Under circumstances of evidence leading to reasonable doubt such as in that case, I wouldn't care which side makes the legitimate charges because the big picture is far more important than the D or R after the winner's name.

The good news is that despite who anyone wanted to be President, the result was correct, and it wasn't the horse I bet on in the race.

JEB!
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