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Huh!
All this time I thought those were Eruv lines...

oh well, more sinning on my permanent record.

Wow...that's gotta be great selling points for millennials. Too bad it doesn't come with a soy latte dispenser instead of fart noises. They'd all pile in for those! Another great feature for EVs would've been an EVdollar! You know, to rival the devaluation of the Petrodollar which will in turn crater the US dollar and our purchase power with it. Which our current President did all by himself.

While we're talking about dollars, you love to go on about paying only 20 cents to the dollar. The current energy costs are rising 15.8% nationwide with no end in sight due to the current administration and states like California outlawing ICE's..If you were to buy a $25,000 ICE auto and saved $20K, that $20K would pay for almost 5000 gallons of gas. Even at $4.00 a gallon and if your MPG were over 25 MPG...that's close to 140K miles. You come off like a real trend follower and want to bleed cutting edge but your forgetting Tesla batteries are over 20K to replace. At least that's the cost right now and purchasing new (because who wants a refurb riight?). According to what I can find Tesla is claiming their batteries (sucks to be the other manufacturers!) will last 300,000 to 500,000 miles, or 1,500 battery cycles! That's incredible. Really is, sounds too good to be true. We all know if something is too good to be true..well you know. That's provided you're only driving the car 40 miles a day which in my world...just isn't a possibility and one would really be drinking the kool-aid with 2 straws to go all-in with that perfect scenario! I firmly believe that with those numbers it isn't for most either. Given that I keep my vehicles around for more than 10 years already the math really isn't working out. Why gas would have to climb over $20.00 a gallon in order to make an EV worth it. Never mind the reality that it won't haul 15/20 bales of hay and bags of feed much less pull a 30' 3 horse slant with living quarters trailer! If gasoline goes up that much, the horse is sounding like the viable winner.

No "axe" to grind at all. It's a scam being perpetuated upon the American taxpayer. If you cannot see that then you're worse off than I ever imagined. You can be all proud of your new purchase, but just like the jabs you were lock stepped with the Covid mandates. Government forcing anything upon anyone is Tyranny. They don't make good decisions. Look, you don't like it when I post articles and you don't like it when I post from the hip...I'm not following some trendy shiny new thing like you did.

YOU are the SJW. Look at the thread title. Its not called "Brewha's Magical Farting Mobile". You were bought in with Covid and now with EV. I'm not protecting anyone from anything. Just like Covid, common sense should kick in. At least one would like to believe. Not with you though. Masks, jabs, and now buy an electric car. American auto manufacturer's tried like hell to adhere with new CAFE standards but DC kept moving the goalposts at both ends. One could make a case for killing off the Auto manufacturing industry as a whole. Seriously, how much skilled labor is going into Tesla? It's almost all computer aided assembly vs say the Big 3. Once you kill off the "golden goose" you don't get to just walk away and go "Well, we tried though".

I became acutely aware of our government picking winners and losers with Solyndra. $535 million in federal loan guarantees and they took the money and ran.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-solyndra-probe-charges/exclusive-criminal-charges-against-solyndra-founder-are-unlikely-sources-idUSBRE96A12H20130711

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When the government tries to pick winners and losers in the marketplace, like the Obama-Biden administration did in 2009, taxpayers often get to foot the bill.

Critics say that any new infrastructure spending on green energy must have three components:

1. The companies and projects must be vetted and transparent.

2. Funds must be targeted to agreed-upon bipartisan infrastructure objectives unlike in 2009, when Republicans overwhelmingly opposed the legislation.

3. After the funds are spent and the projects built, everything gets an audit.

Otherwise, the only green in the green energy bill will be the taxpayer money down the drain.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/04/12/remembering-solyndra--how-many-570m-green-energy-failures-are-hidden-inside-bidens-instructure-proposal/?sh=5ec8a20e2672

Hmmm...I really thought you were intelligent.

You're not. You're a lemming.

Feel free to believe whatever you want in your fantastical government funded farting mobile.

I think the non-doctor is vibrating envy while he drives around in his gas guzzling ice cream truck.

More predictions about the Future of EVs.

The cost will drop. EV’s are a lot simpler to build than ICE cars. Right now, the low production and cost of tooling has them as being typically more expensive than ICE. IN the next years as production increases and competition grows they will get a lot cheaper.

China will beat us for a time. China has a terrible air pollution problem and both a people and government that want/need EV’s. Car companies like BYD, Nio, and Wuling are starting to produce genuinely cost-effective cars sale sale in China. Even Tesla Shanghai is feeling the pressure.

Stores and Apartments will have car charges. Locally stores like Whole Foods and Kohl’s already have chargers for their customers – some are free. Even Top Golf as a charger in the parking lot. And in the higher rent districts today, people favor and apartment with a level 2 hookup – This will spread down the food chain in the coming years.

The cost difference between fueling and EV and an ICE will grow. In the next 10-20 years, as the car population shift to electric, people will buy less gas and the cost of distributing gas will grow. The lower sales mean less profit, so the sales margins will creep up to.

Free Market, baby!

Just think of the tax credit as our little slice of large businesses paying zero tax.
Feels better, don't it?

Not only did you vote for this but now you're bragging about getting took on your fantastical fart mobile?

Only you.

You do realize taxes are a business expense don't you? Raising tax on business/corporations just inflates the price of goods.

We cut business taxes a president ago and I don't see where prices didn't go up.
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Peter Zaihan is a “political scientist” who earns a living writing books. What he says in the videos is eloquent, but not particularly accurate or relevant.

He talked about the “technology not being ready”. I will ponder what he means next time I go for a drive….

I have noticed, like in the Zaihan interview, the belief or mis-conception that the population going to EV’s is like flipping a switch. That is could happen in the next few years.

The transition will take decades. Even if you cannot buy and ICE vehicle in California starting in 2035 there will still be ICE cars and trucks everywhere. And you can just get one in another state.

No. Even in California, 12 years from now, you’ll be able to buy a gas powered car. Plug-in Hybrid Electrics (PHEV). Not to mention used. Realize that this is like phasing out leaded gas. It takes a long time.

Besides, with all the new trucks and cars coming out in the next 12 years it is reasonable to assume that there will be a few for every use case. And if not - I really would expect the law to have exceptions for special use cases.

I remember being told for years that I would have to replace my HVAC. System because Freon would soon not be available. Kinda of a pizzer. But years before push came to shove the unit needed to be replaced anyway. The upshot however was that dispite my b1tching about no Freon, the new unit is way more efficient and saves me a ton of money each month. Kinda like EVs….




But the “you can’t get one here” mandate is nothing new. Here in texas I could not buy a Tesla and had to order it from another state. Texas law does not allow you to buy from a manufacturer - only an independent dealer - to “protect the consumer”. Texas does love it’s irony. Texas was happy to collect the sales tax when I registered it as a new vehicle - what a shocker!

Oh silly, just because our Clown In Chief wants to cap and stymie production doesn't mean the World isn't going to snap up the supply!!!





President Joe Biden touted electric vehicles as the solution to climate change again Tuesday night during his State of the Union address.

President Joe Biden touted electric vehicles as the solution to climate change again Tuesday night during his State of the Union address.

“We’re building 500,000 vehicle charging stations installed across the country by tens of thousands of IBEW workers,” Biden said, “and helping families save more than $1,000 a year with tax credits for the purchase of electric vehicles and energy-efficient appliances.”

Those tax credits, however, aren’t as green as they seem.

EVs Are a Green Illusion

The process to manufacture electric vehicles is so environmentally toxic between the mining and assembly that it takes years of driving before emissions are reduced, according to a deep dive by RealClear Investigations in October.

“The electric car’s biggest disadvantage on greenhouse gas emissions is the production of an EV battery, which requires energy-intensive mining and processing, and generates twice as much carbon emissions as the manufacture of an internal combustion engine,” RealClear reported. “This means that the EV starts off with a bigger carbon footprint than a gasoline-powered car when it rolls off the assembly line and takes time to catch up to a gasoline-powered car.”

Even then, the American power grid used to charge the car still relies primarily on fossil fuels. In other words, the car runs on coal.

Some studies have shown electric vehicles are even worse for the environment than gas-powered vehicles.

[READ: Studies Show The Electric Vehicles Democrats Insist You Buy Are Worse For The Environment And Lower Quality]

EVs Aren’t Cheap

The average transaction price for an electric car in September was $65,291, according to Kelley Blue Book, just $1,000 shy of the average luxury car. According to the U.S. Census Bureau last year, median household income was just below $71,000, meaning an electric vehicle costs a year’s worth of wages for many Americans. Add inflation to the mix, driven by reckless government spending to encourage rich consumers to buy electric cars, and the average American wouldn’t dream of buying a Tesla any time soon.

EV Subsidies Are Gifts to the Rich

The dubiously named Inflation Reduction Act extended up to $7,500 in federal subsidies for the purchase of an electric car. That only brings the price down to $58,000. In August, Ford responded to the new subsidies by raising the price of its electric pickups.

Researchers at UC-Berkeley found in 2016 that “clean” energy tax credits have historically benefitted the upper class, with 90 percent of all credits on electric vehicles enjoyed by those in the top income quintile.

The massive subsidies at the expense of, say, a Wyoming rancher who could use a new pickup don’t even cover what’s needed to develop a market appetite to replace gas-powered vehicles. According to research from the National Bureau of Economic Research in 2021, subsidies would have to reach more than “$30,000 per car” to achieve a 50 percent market share of electric vehicles in 2035.

EVs Are Vulnerable to Global Supply Chains

More problems with electric vehicles pertain to problems with American mining. China holds the world hostage when it comes to mineral refinement and battery production. Beijing presides over half the global electric car battery market while the U.S. lags behind and continues to shut down major mining projects.

EVs Aren’t Reliable

New York and California have both passed laws to ban new gas-powered car sales by 2035. The image below best sums up how drivers will be at the mercy of state regulators to travel once residents are prohibited from buying whatever car they want.

When California was faced with a record-breaking heat wave last summer, state regulators begged residents not to charge their cars to avoid breaking the power grid. The request came days after policymakers moved to ban gas-powered cars over the following 13 years.

If residents can still charge their vehicles produced by China, they had better hope their batteries last. Replacing an electric car battery can cost between $4,000 and $20,000. The weight of the batteries, meanwhile, wears out the tires 20 percent faster than gas-powered alternatives.

Toot toot though!

That's all based on a sewer called NYC. It took all of 5 minutes to illustrate how horrible your post was.






https://publicintegrity.org/environment/most-of-the-epas-pollution-estimates-are-unreliable-so-why-is-everyone-still-using-them/



That's the cheap ass version the wannabe trenders hop in because they fooled their wives out of mini-vans! Plus you didn't factor in total costs of the vehicle.



https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/credits-for-new-electric-vehicles-purchased-in-2022-or-before



All cars do not use the battery components necessary for the EV controlled by the CPC. Baby formula? What a desperate claw that was.



Yes, because according to you the EV...has less moving parts? It still has a power plant it uses as an engine. Another word salad I'm accustomed to reading from the likes of you.

If you'd read you'd see that the articles are from people actually working in the area of expertise. That's one of the reasons I post articles. Most of the time the articles are from supposed "experts" and sometimes they're opinion pieces where they've done cursory research. What would they get out of lying? Why would I lie? They can be wrong, and I could be wrong but no pumpkin...not this time.

Like I even put in this thread...at one time I advocated for the US government to out and out buy Tesla to make it a VW (car for the people) for all. I backed off the idea. Changed my mind. Not recently either. You do know that GM had EV's in the late 80's and early 90s? No. Too bad. They did and couldn't get it to marketplace to maintain profits. I was all over GM in the late 80's and early 90s'. I can actually say with 100% accuracy that I had been in each and every General Motors manufacturing, supply and foundries (to include locomotive and tank sites!) as well as testing sites in the North American hemisphere (for you that's Mexico, the US and Canada) and the coveted engineering site in Warren, MI. Been there, done that and hung around guys that I was lucky to have spent time with to share conversations about cars and EV's in general. When you want to come from a "uniformed" opinion stop projecting and looking in your mirror.

Saying Oil and Gas companies posted record profits is "alarmist...class warfare"? sounds like you have a bit of an ax to grind.

The struggle of class against class is a political struggle. Telling those who raise concerns about the politics of taxation to STFU is a pretty conservative approach to politics - meaning rude. You want to carry that tax burden for companies - have at it 'ol boy.

Me, I'm here to extol the virtues of the obviously misunderstood new technologies. Not that everyone is going to "get it" any time soon - but sooner or later people will start to figure it out. Politics notwithstanding.

What would they get out of lying??? You sir are plenty smart enough to know that steering public option on issues is big business. With opinions sold as facts, fact stacking, even lying - why not - big money at stake here. And there is big cash and fame to be had by simply selling what some what to hear. Alex Jones ain't poor you know.

I am fully aware of GM's EV-1. It was great. And the fact that GM chose not to peruse it, or could not make it work, are interesting 20th century stories to explore. But his is today. GM, Ford, and everyone else (everyone to speak of that is) are going all in on EV's.

Show me a car company that is not going EV and I will show you a loser.

Now you may think I'm dead azz wrong. You may think I know nuthin' bout nuthin'.
But you squat and watch - EV's are the future.

Again you’re using hyperbole. Did these conglomerates have record profits due to increasing their profit margin or were said profits based on the same margin yet increased revenue?

BTW, you didn’t answer my question. Do you have a 401k? If so, did you refuse the earnings posted by energy sector company company stock held by your 401k? Enquiring minds want to know.

The point is people cry about the cost of gas, blame the administration, while these heavily subsides companies pay little tax and set record profits. Not that the good people working in the oil and gas field are not good Americans - profit is always good. By either method - don't you think?

Yes I have a 401k. Who in their right minds would refuse profits from companies they subsidies and invest in?

btw, I'm not sure you are using the word hyperbole correctly....

My only comment on this whole topic is:

Are you going to tell us that the development of the ICE hasn't happened? Of course it has, for over 100 years. Imagine how far electric cars would be if THEY had gone through a 100 years of development. Look how far battery technology has gotten in a short time...

Unless, you believe that the inventors of the last century had all the answers and there is no way to improve on what they did. On that, I believe a better way to power a car exists, and will be developed and put the entire discussion to rest.

Is this the new, but unsanctioned 500?

My wife drive a gas car. So I will b1tch on her behalf - and the good of the American people!

You know, I think you are trying to infringe on freedom of speech….