... I am looking forward to watching the Trial just because it is history in the making.

I'll watch parts and certainly follow it. I have no intention on putting my head in the sand and pretending it's not there because it doesn't fit my chosen universe of "facts".

And while I think the current billionaire politician in the white house that was born with a golden spoon in his mouth and is fooling the common folk who he would never actually deal with in real life is laughing all the way to the bank and is the most corrupt person we have had in the office in my lifetime...... I really wish the dems would just concentrate on finding better people and winning the election.

The dude was clearly corrupt before he ever won. If you can't beat that hot mess you deserve him..... then again neither could the record number of R's running against him once again demonstrating there is more similarity between the parties than differences.

It is sort of bad to (illegally) withhold funds until another country announces an investigation in to your political rival however. To let that go would be to make us 3rd world countryish. And if you believe there was really just a heart felt concern to fight corruption (retroactively) in foreign lands you really have drank the orange kool aid and need to reread the previous paragraph. You want to believe that out of convenience but in no way would accept that premise if you removed or switched the R and D.

That said this process is already over and it is a farce by both sides. This admin is straight out of Orwell but it seems as if the other side is too. They are both playing and those lathered up on either side are the puppets.

I really do not understand the cult like devotion some have to either party, to the point they willingly ignore fact and logic (And in the current case the party's core values over the last 50 plus years). And it's definitely not just one team. It's not mutually exclusive at all. The screaming chimps on one side actually believe they look different than the screaming chimps on the other. And to not worship at the cult of their choice completely puts you in the other cult.

Sad. (mirroring a carrots line)

I'm over trump winning. I think we deserve him and if he wins again we deserve him even more. I am saddened he is the leader of my party at the moment but so be it. There will be pieces left to put back together in his wake, and folks in the party that traded away promising futures on him will be ejected. I believe the republican core issues will return at some point if the damage isn't too deep. It could have a long term cleansing effect.

I always want the country to do well and never want it to fail. We are doing well in some areas and we are failing miserably in others. I was no obama fan and didn't vote for him, but I rooted for him to pull us out of the financial crisis. I have no idea what McCain or Romney would or wouldn't have accomplished. That would be pretending fantasy land is fact.

I want the country to exell under trump. To pretend it would have been the opposite under hill dog is pretending fantasy land is fact. You may believe it.... but it's not fact. And had she won (I did not vote for her) I would root for her and call her on the BS.

To suspend fact and reality for either party is something I simply don't understand.


Edit - Its a forgone conclusion he will get acquitted. I don't see me getting too worked up over that. It's a given. If you are happy with the whole process by both parties that's on you.

I am nothing like dershowitz who is a dem. Weird.

Instead of forming a third party I'd just like the rinos like T to do so. The very fact someone calls the party before trump (lifelong democrat) a party full of cowards shows they were never really a Republican but something different. Yet they want to assume the party name and have the true republicans form another party. All while calling long time republicans rinos and non republicans republicans. It's pure orwell and I actually find it tactically beautiful but intellectually dishonest.

but I'd have no problem with that. I'm attached to the values and ideas rather than the name and parties have flipped and changed name before. We will evolve thats for sure. Tomorrow will never be like today.

I do not know what would have happened under hill dog economically. If I had to guess I'd say similar to what is happening now but it is a guess on both of our parts. The only difference is I recognize that.

I never claimed you were a perfect match. You, like Dershowitz, are a man who feels like they no longer have a party because their respective party has gone insane.



Republicans weren't cowards before Trump? OK. I am fully aware Trump was a lifelong Democrat. He is also what made current Republican politicians no longer terrified of being called racist sexist homophobes. He rolls into the Republican party like a rock star with all the same brash and attitude of one and both sides sling **** at him that just never stick.

If you want people like Murkowski, Susan Collins, or (the now thankfully dead) John McCain to be the majority of Republicans then I beg you once again to go start a party with Dershowitz and take the surviving of the two with you. They might has well be Democrats anyways.

You're right, I am sorry. You are welcome to pretend to feel welcome in the new Republican party all you want. I am sorry I ever said you are a person without a party like Dershowitz. It ain't your daddy's Grand Old Party anymore.



I celebrate the death of all of Trump's enemies.

The Democrats have been running their long term plan for ages. That's why I am glad things like the Virginia rallies and progressive's gun-grabbing rhetoric remind us to be prepared for their long term plan coming to conclusion.

Sorry for the threadjack rfenst. dst is pretty on point for me.

I'm still pretty convinced tits is just brew or fuzz playing a "trump supporter" role. That's just too perfect.

sounds like zrx is predicting one or both parties will have folks crossing party lines.

I just got done emailing my senator requesting he get the dog and pony show over as quickly as possible. We know why it's happening and how it's going to end. Back to work boys.

Isn't this a conviction trial? I thought he was already impeached.

Dismissed for lack of evidence.

I didn't see it....but, I'm laughing out loud here...are you being serious Robert, or just trying to get Tittums to blow chunks?


Schiff delivers a set of lines pretty well -- but, on any further examination, he's generally full of partisan crap -- he sounds impassioned at times, but he rarely says much that isn't meant to create left talking points or rile up righties -- I don't think even he believes much of what he actually says most of the time

How'd we end up with so many courtroom lawyers in the Capitol? And is that a good thing?

Sekulow didn't do nearly as well, but still did decently.

Sorry I haven't been ranty and angry as you all have come to expect. I am just too damned happy and amused with this.

Motion to table every goddamned thing Senator Schumer wants. Motion carries. Goodnight all. Will be watching tomorrow.

There is absolutely nothing happy or amusing about any of this.

They established the place.
Of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence, 25 were lawyers. Of the 55 framers of the Constitution, 32 were lawyers.

I had no idea there even was a "swamp" before Trump started talking about the need to clean it up during the Republican debates prior to the 2016 election. Since then, nearly everything he said has turned out to be true and the "swamp" clearly has been exposed. It is the collection of appointed and civil service bureaucrats who run far too much of Washington. They have to go. Trump is fighting them tooth and nail. They are behind most of the resistance he has faced.
The problem for them is, his policies have been hugely successful in spite of unprecedented and illegal tactics used against him. People are realizing that the man meant exactly what he said about what he was going to do. That is an amazing thing, a president who does exactly what he says he will.
God bless him. He will start locking some of those scumbags up after he wins the 2020 election and that is where they belong.

They all scream fairness after the bull they pulled in the house. Welcome to the Senate b!tches, you don't get to make unfair rules here. you don't get to make any rules. Motion to table whatever you want, motion carries. If Democrats act like a little b!tch, you must acquit.

Now I gotta watch Nadler's ugly face and listen to his spew.

You were all dreamy like a schoolgirl over Schiff yesterday. I guess you only have a thing for bulging eyes.

I am aware, he also said Sekulow didn't do nearly as well so I am not sure what to think of his judge of skill. Sekulow did great. I don't try to deny I am partisan but every single time Schiff talks he sounds like a child who didn't get two scoops of ice scream when Donald Trump did.

I don't know who she is but they shouldn't have picked her. She lacks the acting/stage experience required to put on their show. Every "Let's look at that one" line (referring to multiple videos) was delivered flatly. I would hate to hear how she reads books to her grandchildren.