Sigh. You conflate too many things together, and draw conclusions where there are none.

You are conflating calling someone a thief with questioning their religious devotion. That is a logical error. No one here has told you not to think any specific politician is corrupt. If you choose any one randomly you'll have a 98.2% chance (you're new here, so I'll let you know, 98.2% means a made up statistic) that you'll be correct. That is not the same as saying "Hah! Like RayR is a devout christian!" Whatever the hell any idiot does with their religion is between them and their god. Even an atheist like me understands that.

As for your "non-answer". You really don't understand how dumb the whole "You don't have to believe in God but do you have a moral code you live by, where did they come from? " question is? Because what you're saying in that question is that you do not have a moral code of your own, and you define things as good or bad based solely on whether it's in your religious text. That means to the rest of us that if a religious leader starts telling you it's good to start raping the atheists, you'd be totes down with it.

Get your own moral code dude. Learn to identify what is right and wrong on your own, not because it's in some religious text, not because some government tells you it is. Learn to do it yourself. Your question shows us you don't have that ability yet.

Atheist chicks are hot...

gonna have to ask RayR.... But until you join officially, I'd maybe watch yourself around him.

That is the only inference I can draw from that sentence because I never mentioned a Buddha.

All I hear is Blah de da Blah de Blah de Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah!

So how many Marxist Progressives do we have here? I know there's always left religionists about hiding.

Huh?

This is going way better than I imagined!

Isn't progressivism a religion??? Always appeared to be based on mystical beliefs.

the point of this thread is not about religion and morality and how they inter-relate...it is about a politician who does not understand religion, yet embraces one in order to ingratiate himself to its followers...and how those followers would so readily embrace an obvious and immoral non-believer

Trump proved that he doesn't understand the principles of that religion by his use of force, including chemical weapons and mounted police swinging batons, to clear away citizens who were rightfully gathered in a public place...in order to stage a photo shoot of himself holding a Bible in front of a church near the WH...not exactly the picture of a humble Christian...

and he has the nerve to say Biden hates God....

Oh I see, every question anybody wants to avoid is because of poor logic. It's an easy way to to look self-important without confronting an issue. I can also see most people don't read much when smoking a nice cigar.

So I can ask, what is progressivism? Some people call it "liberalism", the old label that the left stole from the real liberals (classical liberals) during the Progressive Era. Nowadays progressives avoid the label "liberal" like the plague, mainly because conservatives have turned it into a derogatory term. Hillary Clinton famously said in 2007 that she preferred to be called a "Progressive" because "liberal" was turned up on its head to mean big government. (Geez...I wonder why)
https://youtu.be/AyJloEssQnw

Now Biden is a progressive like Pelosi and Cuomo, somehow they think that their leftist ideology fits with their Catholic religion, I guess so does the current Pope much to the dismay of many Catholics who can find no way to reconcile leftist dogma with Christianity.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/11/michael-s-rozeff/what-is-progressivism/

Progressivism is a political philosophy in support of social reform.[1] Based on the idea of progress in which advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organization are vital to the improvement of the human condition, progressivism became highly significant during the Age of Enlightenment in Europe, out of the belief that Europe was demonstrating that societies could progress in civility from uncivilized conditions to civilization through strengthening the basis of empirical knowledge as the foundation of society.[2] Figures of the Enlightenment believed that progress had universal application to all societies and that these ideas would spread across the world from Europe.[2]

The contemporary common political conception of progressivism emerged from the vast social changes brought about by industrialization in the Western world in the late-19th century. Progressives take the view that progress is being stifled by vast economic inequality between the rich and the poor; minimally regulated laissez-faire capitalism with monopolistic corporations; and the intense and often violent conflict between capitalists and workers, arguing that measures were needed to address these problems.[3]

The meanings of progressivism have varied over time and from different perspectives. Early-20th century progressivism was tied to eugenics and the temperance movement, both of which were promoted in the name of public health and as initiatives toward that goal.[4][5][6][7][8] Contemporary progressives promote public policies that they believe will lead to positive social change. In the 21st century, a movement that identifies as progressive is "a social or political movement that aims to represent the interests of ordinary people through political change and the support of government actions".[9]

I think this is an accurate depiction of progressivism. Some parts of it at one time were evil or nonsensical. For the most part it is about enlightenment and positive social reform.

But go on spouting your nonsense. That is one greatness of America. Everyone has the right to free speech. Just because you seem yourself logical doesn't mean you are correct. Anyone can find published morons or video/audio morons who support their viewpoint. So far you haven't provided a cogent viewpoint.

Wouldn’t expect anything else from you...

you left out Silverado and the other Bush Brother...Neil?

"Biden hates God"

I'm willing to go out on a limb here by saying "I don't think it God give a flying fuque if Biden likes him or not."

seventy NINE!

Axl wrote that man...

Nice.

I got the collectors edition with the pip boy when it came out. I think I played it for like 20 minutes.

One of these days when I get more time...

You give me the Wikipedia introduction to what is Progressivism? Progressivism is all "about enlightenment and positive social reform"??? Unicorns and rainbows and free lollypops for all the proles too and I guess?
Or did the promises of Progressivism as all Utopian movements do that claim "to represent the interests of ordinary people through political change and the support of government actions" (that's what every collectivist movement and dictator says too BTW), actually lead to a decent into the warfare-welfare state and its not so positive social reforms.
I prefer serious investigations into history, political movements, their origins and their legacy. Wikipedia is not a go-to place for such things. So I give you a book to read if you'd like, it's FREE too, and a million times more enlightening than Wikipedia, and if you can't or don't read there's the free audiobook version to download. Let's see then if you slough this off as published by morons.
https://mises.org/library/progressive-era-0

It's a legitimate hobby, good for scaring crows.

Now I'm back too... RIP.

Go back to Wikipedia Victor, this is way over your head. You never heard of the Mises Institute? How about The Foundation for Economic Education or the American Institute for Economic Research?
Maybe they also draw a blank? I guess they are all banned as not allowable opinion at your favourite progressive mainstream media sources.
You've been living under a rock, then you took a 10 minute tour out of your comfort zone and now you think you've reaffirmed you already knew know everything there was to know and crawled back under. Anything else is conveniently labelled "poor logic". Do you have a "poor logic" alarm that goes off whenever topics get too heavy and uncomfortably close to the truth?

Haven't followed all this butread the last and as an aside-
Do you believe in absolute truth Vic?
Or could you be wrong about everything you think you know?

So it's either absolute truth or nothing is true? smh.....

Asking about "Absolute Truth" is a bad question not worth answering. I'm absolutely positive about that.

I, like everyone else, was born atheist. I don't see how anything changed.



I'm curious why you think mathematics is "perfection"? That's not really true. Mathematicians like to say it is.... but it's just a representation of the world through numbers. Extraordinarily important, but just numbers. Numbers we have assigned based on our method of counting.


Physics is immutable because we have the same basic elements of construction across the entire universe. Physics is essentially defining laws we would understand around the interaction of particles, and clusters of particles. It is logical that these laws would be consistent everywhere we look, as we have not found a part of our known universe which uses anything different.

But, bottom line... every religion is wrong (it has to be, because even if there is a god, the innumerable potential permutations of said god ensure that a random person defining that god would do so incorrectly, and therefore follow a dogma based on an incorrect god). So even the smallest changes one has made to ones life to follow whatever religion they have chosen (or even defined in their head) is changing their life for an incorrect religion...

If it turns out there is a god, then I'm essentially guaranteed to be in exactly the same boat as everyone who is religious.

One thing I've learned about absolutes, is that people that believe in them are easily manipulated.

And people that preach them... well, I think you know where I'm going with that.