DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

Turns out, according to this article, the DOD is even using the 30,000+ number. "The U.S. State and Defense Departments have also used that statistic officially, apparently relying on Hamas data."

Why? They are supporting Israel militarily. It makes no sense.

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This is roughly the equivalent of using al-Qaeda propaganda in the middle of the invasion of Afghanistan or repeating Russian information in a Christmas message to Europe.

Last week, the United Nations Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs dramatically revised casualties, halving its child fatality numbers from an imaginary 14,500 deaths to an imaginary 7,797 and its women fatalities from 9,500 deaths to 4,959 deaths. These seem like pretty big discrepancies.

You know why that happens? Because it is all just made up.

Yet, in February, when anti-Israel Rep. Ro Khanna asked Lloyd Austin, “How many Palestinian women and children have been killed by Israel since Oct. 7?” the secretary of defense answered, “It’s over 25,000.”

https://thefederalist.com/2024/05/14/how-the-media-and-democrats-helped-create-the-israeli-genocide-lie/ 


When they're lying they don't need to make sense. They only want to obfuscate from the reality that on October 7th 2023 a terrorist organization willingly invaded a sovereign nation and committed acts of terrorism that included the rapes of women and babies, murder of over 1000 civilians that were going about their daily lives, kidnapping of civilians as well. Let's not forget those facts. Israel has had to deal with terrorism on it's doorstep and windowsill each and every day since 1948.

You are witnessing a US administration funding the Iranian backed terrorists and slow walking the ability for Israel to end the madness forever. All while giving a Neo-Nazis haven all the money, weaponry and support (all for kicking up 10% to the Big Guy!o:) ) it can muster on the World stage with ZERO accountability. All to support a nation that broke a treaty with military implications.

So, it makes perfect sense when you're running a nation like a criminal empire.
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago
Look at what a POS our President is...sounds great on the headline...but wait...

Biden administration is moving ahead on new $1 billion arms sale to Israel, congressional aides say



WASHINGTON – The Biden administration has told key lawmakers it plans to move forward on a new $1 billion sale of arms and ammunition to Israel, three congressional aides say.

It's the first arms shipment to Israel to be pushed ahead since the administration put another arms transfer, consisting of 3,500 bombs of up to 2,000 pounds each, on hold this month. The Biden administration, citing concern for civilian casualties in Gaza, has said it paused that bomb transfer to keep Israel from using those particular munitions in its offensive in the crowded southern Gaza city of Rafah.

The new package disclosed Tuesday includes about $700 million for tank ammunition, $500 million in tactical vehicles and $60 million in mortar rounds, the congressional aides said. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an arms transfer that has not yet been made public.

The administration's notice to lawmakers this week isn't the final, formal notification before a sale, one of the congressional aides said. The deal would be an entirely new sale, the aide said. That means any weapons that are part of it could take years to be delivered.

Once a transfer is informally notified to Congress, the leaders of the House Foreign Affairs Committee or the Senate Foreign Relations Committee can block it by placing a hold on the package, and the State Department generally will not proceed if that occurs.

The Biden administration has come under criticism from both sides of the political spectrum over its military support for Israel's now seven-month-old war against Hamas in Gaza — at a time when President Joe Biden is battling for reelection against former President Donald Trump.

Some of Biden's fellow Democrats have pushed him to limit transfers of offensive weapons to Israel to pressure the U.S. ally to do more to protect Palestinian civilians. Protests on college campuses around the U.S. have driven home the message this spring.

Republican lawmakers have seized on the administration's pause on the bomb transfers, saying any lessening of U.S. support for Israel — its closest ally in the Middle East — weakens that country as it fights Hamas and other Iran-backed groups. In the House, they are planning to advance a bill this week to mandate the delivery of offensive weaponry for Israel.

Rep. Tom Emmer, R-Minn., the GOP whip, told reporters Wednesday that initiating the process for this round of arms sales “doesn’t make up” for the Biden administration withholding the previously approved sales.

Despite the onetime suspension of a bomb shipment, Biden and administration officials have made clear they will continue other weapons deliveries and overall military support to Israel, which is the largest recipient of U.S. military aid.

Biden will see to it that “Israel has all of the military means it needs to defend itself against all of its enemies, including Hamas,” national security spokesman John Kirby told reporters Monday. “For him, this is very straightforward: He’s going to continue to provide Israel with all of capabilities it needs, but he does not want certain categories of American weapons used in a particular type of operation in a particular place. And again, he has been clear and consistent with that.”

The Wall Street Journal first reported the plans for the $1 billion weapons package to Israel.

In response to House Republicans' plan to move forward with a bill to mandate the delivery of offensive weapons for Israel, the White House said Tuesday that Biden would veto the bill if it were to pass Congress.

The bill has practically no chance in the Democratic-controlled Senate. But House Democrats are somewhat divided on the issue, and roughly two dozen have signed onto a letter to the Biden administration saying they were “deeply concerned about the message” sent by pausing the bomb shipment.

One of the letter’s signers, New York Rep. Ritchie Torres, said he would likely vote for the bill, despite the White House’s opposition.

“I have a general rule of supporting pro-Israel legislation unless it includes a poison pill — like cuts to domestic policy,” he said.

In addition to the written veto threat, the White House has been in touch with various lawmakers and congressional aides about the legislation, according to an administration official.

“We strongly, strongly oppose attempts to constrain the President’s ability to deploy U.S. security assistance consistent with U.S. foreign policy and national security objectives,” White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said this week, adding that the administration plans to spend “every last cent” appropriated by Congress in the national security supplemental package that was signed into law by Biden last month.

https://www.wsls.com/news/world/2024/05/15/biden-administration-is-moving-ahead-on-1-billion-arms-package-for-israel-ap-sources-say/ 



Years. Does Ukraine have this same leash? **** NO! There's ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY with them!
jeebling
2 years ago
The DNC trying to win back some credibility with a sleight of hand and media spin.
rfenst
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2 years ago

Information needs to be third party verification with the third party having no agenda. This is the only way to find truth. I care about innocent people dying. One question I have is the percentage of Hamas/militarily active supporters killed to innocent people being killed. I can find no verifiable information on this. Bibi says about 1 to 1. If true, this is the best number in any war that has ever happened. As I find this statistic nowhere else, I question its accuracy. Israel has the ability to destroy entire countries. Only Saudi Arabia and perhaps Jordan do. Based on their advanced American weapons. Iran has hardware store quality stuff and Russian defensive systems do not work. Israel has proven this. Iran and Russia are still third world countries no matter how vehemently they disagree. I also wonder about the quality of Chinese weapons based on their substandard manufacturing. Biden wants to send 1 billion dollars of munitions rounds, mostly tank rounds to Israel. I like this idea. This war can only be won on the ground in my opinion. As far as Hamas, let any other non-terrorist mid-eastern country take them after a complete vetting by Israel. It has been proven to me that the withheld bunker buster bombs will not end this war. We should be sending directional force bombs instead which would have greater effectiveness and cause fewer civilian casualties.

Speyside2 wrote:


FIFY.
No such place any more. The nomenclature has changed.

rfenst
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2 years ago

Didn’t matter how many non-combatants were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Why the outrage now?

Abrignac wrote:


Exactly.
Better yet, look at the post-bombing photos for the degree of total destruction.
jeebling
2 years ago
https://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-na-japan-hiroshima-apology-20160429-story.html 

“ In 2007, during Shinzo Abe’s first term as prime minister, Defense Minister Fumio Kyuma referred to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as “something that couldn’t be helped.”
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

Exactly.
Better yet, look at the post-bombing photos for the degree of total destruction.

rfenst wrote:




And that is why America was the FA & FO World Champion. They hit Pearl Harbor. Played the war the way they wanted to till we invented some new toys and told them we had a "game changer". Told 'em to surrender and they didn't. So Little Boy tore 'em a new ass. Told 'em to surrender again and they didn't. Japan met Fat Man. They were on Big Mo less than a month later giving Mac Arthur their autographs. Begs the question why did they need to be asked twice?
rfenst
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2 years ago

And that is why America was the FA & FO World Champion. They hit Pearl Harbor. Played the war the way they wanted to till we invented some new toys and told them we had a "game changer". Told 'em to surrender and they didn't. So Little Boy tore 'em a new ass. Told 'em to surrender again and they didn't. Japan met Fat Man. They were on Big Mo less than a month later giving Mac Arthur their autographs. Begs the question why did they need to be asked twice?

DrMaddVibe wrote:

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Japanese mind: Failure is not an option. Forge forward. Do not stop until you win.
That's why they beat-out the U.S. car manufacturers...
rfenst
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2 years ago
Opinion Enough mediating. America should deploy its might against Hamas.
The United States should exert maximum pressure on the terrorists to free its citizens.



WAPO Opinion: By Roger Zakheim

On Oct. 7, Hamas murdered more than 40 Americans, and five Americans are still being held captive more than 200 days later. Since then, the Biden administration has tried to get the hostages home by playing the role of mediator. This approach fundamentally misunderstands the parties involved in the conflict, as well as the tools required to free captive Americans. The mediator mind-set is wrong in principle and has now failed in practice. It is time to jettison this approach and deploy U.S. might instead.

For more than seven months the secretary of state and director of central intelligence, along with other senior officials, have treated the Gaza war as if it were a conflict between state actors, employing shuttle diplomacy and negotiating with both sides. They have indulged in the conceit that you can negotiate with a terrorist organization by treating it as an equal party. The Biden administration has continued to allow Qatar to give Hamas’s political leadership sanctuary in its five-star headquarters in Doha, on the theory that if they can talk with Hamas leaders, a resolution is more likely.

Yet the mediator approach has applied equal, if not more, pressure on U.S. ally Israel to make concessions than it has on Hamas, the original aggressors, and its principal backer, Iran. This has hardened Hamas’s negotiating stance and imperiled American hostages.

Other than the week-long pause in fighting at the end of 2023, during which 105 hostages (only two Americans) were released, U.S. mediation has achieved little. Hamas’s recent video of American hostage Hersh Goldberg-Polin is a harrowing reminder of how badly we have failed our citizens.

It is long overdue for the United States to shift the paradigm. Over the past 20 years, the United States has developed an array of intelligence, economic, and military tools and techniques that can pressure and destroy terrorist networks. They should be deployed against Hamas.

For starters, the Treasury Department should aggressively target sanctions on entities that fund and fuel Hamas. At the top of the list should be the Central Bank of Iran, which facilitates capital flows into Hamas’s coffers. The same should be done for Qatari and Turkish entities that support and aid the terrorist organization. This should be paired with flexing our diplomatic muscle and formally demanding that Qatar oust Hamas’s leadership from Doha.

We should also unleash our military and intelligence community’s world-class targeting and strike capability that killed Osama bin Laden and Qasem Soleimani, and has rescued hundreds of hostages held by terrorists. The rescue of American citizens certainly warrants the employment of unparalleled U.S. intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance assets, as well as elite Special Operations forces. Yet, since Oct. 7 the U.S. military is nowhere to be found. Instead of fully utilizing this exquisite capability, only a handful of military advisers are whispering advice to Israeli counterparts in Tel Aviv.

Skeptics may argue that the chances of any U.S. intelligence and military success in Gaza are low. If the Israel Defense Forces have been unable to find the hostages, how could the U.S. military expect a different result?

Such skeptics underestimate our formidable capabilities. At an operational level, having a modest but lethal U.S. intelligence and military footprint dedicated to targeting Hamas and rescuing Americans will help an Israeli war effort that is exhausted from seven months of fighting. As one IDF special operator told me, “Your Delta forces would be a game changer.”

And shifting away from mediation to a more aggressive stance would also send a powerful signal to Hamas’s leadership: that the United States will hold Hamas directly responsible for how it treats American citizens. That is a message best delivered by the barrel of a gun, not through intermediaries in Cairo and Doha. It could change the negotiation incentives for Hamas’s leadership.

Oct. 7 was one of the deadliest days for Americans since 9/11. And yet President Biden has found it more expedient to treat Hamas as Israel’s enemy — not the United States’. At this point in the war, we are doing a disservice to our citizens by relying solely on Israel to handle what should be the primary U.S. interest in Gaza: saving American lives. It is time to demonstrate that the United States does not leave its citizens behind. There is no higher calling or priority in U.S. foreign policy.


Roger Zakheim is director of the Ronald Reagan Institute, a former general counsel for the House Armed Services Committee and a member of the National Defense Strategy Commission.
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

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Japanese mind: Failure is not an option. Forge forward. Do not stop until you win.
That's why they beat-out the U.S. car manufacturers...

rfenst wrote:




So, they surrendered because they wanted to topple Detroit?
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

Opinion Enough mediating. America should deploy its might against Hamas.
The United States should exert maximum pressure on the terrorists to free its citizens.

rfenst wrote:



Sorry, this administration cannot be trusted. They'd most likely nuke Jerusalem and claim it was because their dress got caught on the bomb release handles.
Speyside2
2 years ago
LMAO!!! I read what you highlighted. Another brilliant, wait, that's not what I thought I was saying. I should have said as far as Gazans, have Israel vet them, any who are not Hamas or Hamas supporters, can go to any other non Hamas non terrorist mid-eastern country that will take them.
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

LMAO!!! I read what you highlighted. Another brilliant, wait, that's not what I thought I was saying. I should have said as far as Gazans, have Israel vet them, any who are not Hamas or Hamas supporters, can go to any other non Hamas non terrorist mid-eastern country that will take them.

Speyside2 wrote:



There aren't any, All of the muslim nations view them as terrorists wanting to take over their "host". They placated them because of their religion and because Israel. Now that the World sees them as useful idiots/shields for Hamas...


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PYL0AHjejS8


That well has been poisoned forever. They will willingly let Hamas use their homes, schools, hospitals, nurserys anything they own to put mortars and rockets on knowing that the IDF will look bad for returning fire. I say after Oct.7th...let the IDF rain down holy hell upon them. Take out the trash. Do it quickly.
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago
Need more proof?


Palestinian Columnist: ‘We Do Not Want a Ceasefire, We Want Ongoing War’


A Palestinian columnist writing in Arabic in a Qatari newspaper declared this week: “We do not want a ceasefire, we want ongoing war. Victory is at hand.”

Palestinian journalist Samir Al-Barghouti, writing in the Qatari daily Al-Watan, as translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), made the case for war to continue as a means to highlight the Palestinian cause.

Al-Barghouti argued that the world had forgotten about the Palestinians until the October 7 terror attack, but now — thanks to the spectacular violence, and to protests in the west, the “free world” is united behind the Palestinians:

O heroes of the resistance in Gaza, thank you. You showed the whole world how honor takes precedence to life, how faith stands fast in the face of weapons, how blood triumphs over pain and how the free believer stands tall in the face of the bullet. You proved with your resistance that peoples who surrender have never been safe and have no future, whereas peoples who fight for their freedom and honor will surely achieve their destination someday…

O people of Gaza, history has never seen a people braver than you, more patient than you [in the pursuit of] the truth, or more generous in sacrificing for the sake of Allah. O our people in Gaza, despite the martyrs and wounded, you are the springboard of the hoped-for national future of the Arabs and Muslims… No matter how deep the wound, we will continue to resist, because this enemy understands only the language of force. Even if Palestine sacrifices millions of martyrs and wounded, we will continue to resist. We do not want a ceasefire, we want ongoing war. Victory is at hand…


Hamas has repeatedly broken ceasefires — including the ceasefire that had been in place prior to its unprovoked attack on October 7, and a truce in November for hostage releases.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/05/14/palestinian-columnist-we-do-not-want-a-ceasefire-we-want-ongoing-war/ 


and even here in America.

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2024/05/13/muslim-terrorists-are-in-our-midst-florida-imam-calls-for-annihilation-of-all-jews/ [/i]

Just evil. Evil needs to be removed.
Speyside2
2 years ago
Doc, my statement was very sardonic in nature. Historically no mid-eastern country has taken them.
rfenst
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2 years ago

LMAO!!! I read what you highlighted. Another brilliant, wait, that's not what I thought I was saying. I should have said as far as Hamas, have Israel vet them, any who are not Hamas or Hamas supporters, can go to any other non Hamas non terrorist mid-eastern country that will take them.

Speyside2 wrote:


FFIFY.
No such thing. They are all Hamas to me.
rfenst
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2 years ago

... [W]e need to send in some SEAL Teams. ...

rfenst wrote:

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That was already my opinion @29.
I wouldn't be surprised if some are "chomping at the bit" to go.
ZRX1200
2 years ago
To play world police?
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

To play world police?

ZRX1200 wrote:




With this administration...more like Mogadishu 2.0.
Abrignac
2 years ago

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That was already my opinion @29.
I wouldn't be surprised if some are "chomping at the bit" to go.

rfenst wrote:



Pretty sure Israel has a Mossad or IDF team or two who are at least as good as any SEAL team. I’d prefer they send their on boots in instead of us sending ours.
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