jeebling
a year ago

More expensive - you mean...

Brewha wrote:



No. I meant what I wrote. But I do agree that it is probably much more expensive.
Abrignac
a year ago

You know what I did like about Trump?

Non-interventionist.
Doesn’t hate America.
Wants everyone to succeed.
Isn’t a coward and says things that upset people.

What I don’t like?

He isn’t what I would call an A+ constitutionally.
I don’t like that he opened the door to further let agencies abuse Chevron Deference. Now that did lead to a SCOTUS smack down.
I don’t like the tackiness he shows when it’s unnecessary.

Now third category.
I don’t like people that live and follow I’m blindly, and I don’t like people that hate him blindly.
Most of his policy action was pretty similar to Clinton, W and Obama era stuff.

Now the middle is going to decide the election?
Buddy….they didn’t even ELECT (primary) one of the candidates, nor did they try to kill the other. Forces are at play that are a much bigger issue than the ugly loud orange man. And outside a libertarian Cheeto is the closest to reigning in the MIC we’ve seen since JFK.

I’ll await anyone to debate that.

ZRX1200 wrote:



My biggest issue with him is his behavior. One would expect the President of the United States to conduct himself with a minimum amount of decorum. Trump acts like a clown. Calling one’s opponents names is what kids in 2nd grade do. We should expect and accept nothing less than an exponentially higher level of professionalism.

Next up is his budget policy. In his first term we incurred a large addition to the national debt. Granted we were also in the midst of Covid. Yet that began in the second half of his term. His economic proposals if implemented will add considerably to the national debt. Without a corresponding cut in expenses, cutting revenue simply creates budget deficits which add to the debt. I’m not aware of any specific proposed offsets to balance the income reduction he has promised with his tax cut proposals.

He has said he’s going to deflate inflation. Yet he proposes historic tariffs on imported goods from China. We import a significant amount of Chinese made goods. The tariffs he proposes will increase the overall cost of goods purchased which will drive the CPI up thus leading to higher inflation, not less.


That’s enough to get started. Plenty more where that came from.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47 

1) I will order the Department of Justice or as some people call it the ‘Department of injustice’ right now and Homeland Security to dismantle every gang, street crew, and drug network in America. Every single one of them will be dismantled. Certianly sounds great, but is in no way possible. Nothing short of a feel good pipe dream.

2) I will deploy all necessary military assets, including the U.S. Navy, to impose the full naval embargo on the cartels. So we are going to blockade other nations ports?

3) Under the plan I’m announcing today, we will take the billions and billions of dollars that we will collect by taxing, fining, and suing excessively large private university endowments, and we will then use that money to endow a new institution called the American Academy.Sounds a lot like wealth redistribution. Not to mention a new federal bureaucracy.

4) President Trump will stop the wave of frivolous litigation from environmental extremists that hold up critical energy development projects for years, increase project costs, and discourage future development.Limit access to the courts via executive fiat? Pretty sure that will get struck down the first time it’s challenged.

There are plenty more examples but I’m tired.



DrMaddVibe
a year ago

You know what I did like about Trump?

Non-interventionist.
Doesn’t hate America.
Wants everyone to succeed.
Isn’t a coward and says things that upset people.

What I don’t like?

He isn’t what I would call an A+ constitutionally.
I don’t like that he opened the door to further let agencies abuse Chevron Deference. Now that did lead to a SCOTUS smack down.
I don’t like the tackiness he shows when it’s unnecessary.

Now third category.
I don’t like people that live and follow I’m blindly, and I don’t like people that hate him blindly.
Most of his policy action was pretty similar to Clinton, W and Obama era stuff.

Now the middle is going to decide the election?
Buddy….they didn’t even ELECT (primary) one of the candidates, nor did they try to kill the other. Forces are at play that are a much bigger issue than the ugly loud orange man. And outside a libertarian Cheeto is the closest to reigning in the MIC we’ve seen since JFK.

I’ll await anyone to debate that.

ZRX1200 wrote:




AMEN, couldn't have said it better than that. I didn't know going in what the man was going to be as a President. Hell, Frank seems to think it's a bad thing I didn't vote for him in 2016! Sure as hell did in 2020 and he will have my vote again in 2024 as he's the ONLY one running that's uniquely qualified for the job. Being Commander In Chief is the biggest responsibility and not only did Trump not take a salary (donated mostly to veteran causes!) he didn't put them into needless confrontation. Used the military like a scalpel. Not caught in a quagmire like Ukraine and Israel.

Calling out the "Fake News"...that was EPIC!


Getting NATO to pay their fair share...FINALLY...never thought that was a possibility!

Seeing the nation chug on all cylinders until the plandemic was unleashed by Fauci & Co. on the world was akin to the Bush/Clinton run up on Wall Street.
frankj1
a year ago
I speak and write so clearly, I'm so gud wif wurds...how is it that I get misquoted so often?
HA!

I said a few times since that election that it was bad that you didn't vote AT ALL in 2016, not that you didn't vote for Trump then...but it really took on new life when you displayed the chutzpah to lecture others on the way they decided to participate in the voting process.

Hence my post(s) of: Do as I say, Not as I do.

Also...exactly to whom does everyone think NATO members make payments?
There is no slush fund, we never pay anyone's "debt" to the alliance.
Hell, Trump never paid anyone he owed before taking office! Certainly didn't start after.

Rather than "payments" or dues, there were nation members slacking on their loose agreement to spend 2% of their GDP on their military...not send a check to headquarters.

Trump definitely did make a positive impact on improving that, but it was never explained as anything other than collecting a debt with threats.
HockeyDad
a year ago
Sounds like a Frank is a Trump guy!
jeebling
a year ago
I’ve stated several times in a few threads which of Trump’s policies I like. More importantly, he delivered more on campaign promises than any other Republican or Democrat in recent memory. No surprise changes in his vision. I can’t defend his behavior and his nasty rhetoric. I can’t defend the progressive left’s language for the past few decades of accusing so many political opponents of being racist, misogynist, NAZI, etc.. They normalized that type of character assassination but when Trump showed up and threw it back in their faces there was so much pearl clutching. I see the mud being thrown from both sides and I don’t like it. When I take a critical view of Trump’s plans and promises I then consider the alternatives from the progressive left. Trump may have flaws in his plans and I never thought he was close to perfect. It’s just that I think he is a better alternative to other GOP Candidates and a better alternative to progressive left policies. I will go as far to say that I think Trump is a far better alternative. Perfect? Let’s not be ridiculous.
frankj1
a year ago
I am not supporter of the progressive wing
ZRX1200
a year ago
OK but where are the non-progressive policies??
frankj1
a year ago
I am not a registered Democrat either...though far more likely to vote D than R.
Posting against Trump should not make one assume I must defend Biden.

I've voted 3rd party the last several elections hoping to help get to the 15% threshold required to get a 3rd party on the next debate stage.

I believe it is a more noble way to preserve Democracy than to fail to vote at all and then attack others for doing their duty in keeping this experiment alive.
ZRX1200
a year ago
You better watch it, Imma get you kicked out of the “13”…..
DrMaddVibe
a year ago

but it really took on new life when you displayed the chutzpah to lecture others on the way they decided to participate in the voting process.

frankj1 wrote:



Where?
RayR
a year ago

OK but where are the non-progressive policies??

ZRX1200 wrote:



Ah, That's the essence of it all. The left has defined itself as "progressive" and anything not progressive is called reactionary and backward. So how can anyone vote for contemporary Democrats, who identify as "the left" and say they do not support progressive policies? Where are the non-progressive Democrats? I don't see any 19th-century conservative Democrats like Jefferson and Cleveland today.

Can Yankee Frankie answer that?
frankj1
a year ago

Ah, That's the essence of it all. The left has defined itself as "progressive" and anything not progressive is called reactionary and backward. So how can anyone vote for contemporary Democrats, who identify as "the left" and say they do not support progressive policies? Where are the non-progressive Democrats? I don't see any 19th-century conservative Democrats like Jefferson and Cleveland today.

Can Yankee Frankie answer that?

RayR wrote:


I'll give you a serious answer...
I am not a D so I won't be able to answer for the party, but I might suggest that you, not liberals as a whole, define the left in it's entirety as progressive.

I happen to believe that the vast majority of people who identify as liberal are left of center but not left wing progressive...such as myself.
And they vote predominantly more left of center rather than far left wing.

The difficulty in discussing this with you is that you seem to consider anyone to the left of the Ayatollah a commie.

A great member here who has been MIA, David P Newell, considers himself a libertarian. He and I had/have a terrific relationship. He always used to tell me that he thought of me as a Kennedy Liberal...for whatever it's worth.

frankj1
a year ago

You better watch it, Imma get you kicked out of the “13”…..

ZRX1200 wrote:


I love ya, bruddah!

And I meant to open that rare bottle of wine you sent me ages ago on my latest birthday but neglected to pack it when we left for vacation 2 weeks ago. Heading home tomorrow night.
RayR
a year ago

I'll give you a serious answer...
I am not a D so I won't be able to answer for the party, but I might suggest that you, not liberals as a whole, define the left in it's entirety as progressive.

I happen to believe that the vast majority of people who identify as liberal are left of center but not left wing progressive...such as myself.
And they vote predominantly more left of center rather than far left wing.

The difficulty in discussing this with you is that you seem to consider anyone to the left of the Ayatollah a commie.

A great member here who has been MIA, David P Newell, considers himself a libertarian. He and I had/have a terrific relationship. He always used to tell me that he thought of me as a Kennedy Liberal...for whatever it's worth.

frankj1 wrote:



Democrats ran away from being called "liberal" in the 1990s. I think Hilldog started it after the right-wingers turned it into a derogatory term.
Now, I hear a new breed of left O' center intellectuals wants to ditch the word "progressive," too because right-wingers turned it into a derogatory term associated with the far-left commie wing of the Democrat Party who embraced the word "Progressive".
It's quite an identity crisis.
Identify as you wish with superficial labels, but the problem is you left O' center people can't escape it, just being left O' center opens the door to leftist extremism of all sorts. as the Progressive Era originally planned and even before that with the Jacobins of the French Revolution.

I'm not even sure what a "Kennedy Liberal" is. Even RFKJr's family disowned him for not being lefty enough.

DrMaddVibe
a year ago

I'm not even sure what a "Kennedy Liberal" is. Even RFKJr's family disowned him for not being lefty enough.

RayR wrote:




And kicked him out of the Democrat Party. They wouldn't even provide Secret Service protection for a Kennedy? It's like America is supposed to forget how John and Robert went out?

Brewha
a year ago
So now Trump is pushing to just get people to “vote this one, last time”. Because after that they will “never need to vote again”.

I told you - he gets in again, we will never get him out.
JGKAMIN
a year ago

And kicked him out of the Democrat Party. They wouldn't even provide Secret Service protection for a Kennedy? It's like America is supposed to forget how John and Robert went out?

DrMaddVibe wrote:


They knew he didn’t need protection because their cries for saving democracy directed all of the loonies after the orange guy with mean tweets.
RayR
a year ago

So now Trump is pushing to just get people to “vote this one, last time”. Because after that they will “never need to vote again”.

I told you - he gets in again, we will never get him out.

Brewha wrote:



So you bought into the LEFTY conspiracy theory that he will proclaim himself dicktator for life? 🤣

He did say he would be dictator for the first day just to undo the dicktates of evil dicktator Biden on his first day.
If you are going to rule with a phone and a pen, one bad dicktate deserves another to set things straight..
drglnc
a year ago

So you bought into the LEFTY conspiracy theory that he will proclaim himself dicktator for life? 🤣

He did say he would be dictator for the first day just to undo the dicktates of evil dicktator Biden on his first day.
If you are going to rule with a phone and a pen, one bad dicktate deserves another to set things straight..

RayR wrote:



No “buying in” required… just need to listen to words he says…
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