KingoftheCove
a year ago

Oh... it's not a fact that the gov't has been wrong on the climate change crap for the last 50 years? You might want to look that up. I recall when I was a kid that an ice age was imminent.

https://www.agweb.com/opinion/doomsday-addiction-celebrating-50-years-failed-climate-predictions 

MACS wrote:


Ya…….I remember in the late 70s when I was finishing up college, we were being told that by the mid to late 1990s, New York, most California coastal towns and New Orleans, etc, would be under water.
Maybe they just need to adjust the timeline?
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Cheno
a year ago

It's interesting that the people he chooses to believe (NASA/Gov't, et al) have been wrong for what, 50 years now? Longer? Every prediction they have made has been wrong.

But let's not change our minds when presented with those facts... let's double down!

MACS wrote:



How else would we be told what to think and pay more taxes to feel safe because they tell us we are?? And they come up with something that makes us feel warm and fuzzy while they get money for themselves because they invest in bogus companies before hand to get rich. I mean, they need more money! You and I already have too much.
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deadeyedick
a year ago

Oh... it's not a fact that the gov't has been wrong on the climate change crap for the last 50 years? You might want to look that up. I recall when I was a kid that an ice age was imminent.

https://www.agweb.com/opinion/doomsday-addiction-celebrating-50-years-failed-climate-predictions 

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A few rogue scientists spouted that and it was debunked by peer reviews. Try to keep up.
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Brewha
a year ago

A few rogue scientists spouted that and it was debunked by peer reviews. Try to keep up.

deadeyedick wrote:



I’m pretty sure that President Elect Trump has stated that climate change is “fake”. And has also told us that he understands science better than science. Now as the accepted ultimate source of truth by many here - how could we ever hope to debate a “fact from the ultimate expert”.

It is laughable that I would offer NASA, NOAA, and so on - They have Trumps word and a pod cast or too!

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RayR
a year ago
As someone who survived the infamous Blizzard of '77 in the Buffalo, NY, area, I can attest that Climate Change is real.
It's science! Science is never wrong. 🤨

In Search Of The Coming Ice Age ... With Leonard Nimoy (1978).

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a year ago

A few rogue scientists spouted that and it was debunked by peer reviews. Try to keep up.

deadeyedick wrote:



😂
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Brewha
a year ago
It seems clear that in most cases the laymen expected science to provide simple answers for complex things. Back and white answers that are not shaded of gray or matters of degree.

And, as the research and understanding of things evolve - as it is supposed to - “well that’s just proof they never knew”.

Is trans fat bad for you? Yes - but science cannot tell you exactly how bad for each person. And they did not know about it decades ago. So: eat all the trans fat you want because science “does not know”.

But curbing industrial pollution is painted as a threat to the oil and gas industries. So you will find a wealth of “knowledge”, click bate, and pod cast that tell you how wind mills kill bald eagles, that we can't go electric because we ar running out of copper, and that “Hey, CO2 is good for you! We need it!”

So it goes.
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a year ago

I’m pretty sure that President Elect Trump has stated that climate change is “fake”. And has also told us that he understands science better than science. Now as the accepted ultimate source of truth by many here - how could we ever hope to debate a “fact from the ultimate expert”.

It is laughable that I would offer NASA, NOAA, and so on - They have Trumps word and a pod cast or too!

Brewha wrote:


TDS kickin' in... I never mentioned Trump.
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Brewha
a year ago

TDS kickin' in... I never mentioned Trump.

MACS wrote:


“Elephant in the room”
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borndead1
a year ago
Of course human activity has a negative effect on the environment. Only a fool would deny that.

But the *degree* of that effect is being exaggerated by political and corporate interests.
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borndead1
a year ago
*Adjusts tinfoil hat*


-We find a way to reduce carbon in the air

-Crops start failing

-Monsanto announce new GMO plants that can grow with less carbon dioxide

-Bill Gates, America's biggest farmland owner, agrees to use them in a historic new shift in corporate agriculture
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RayR
a year ago
Zombie agriculture?
If Bill Gates is for it, you know it's EVIL.

Don't fool with Mother Nature.
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deadeyedick
a year ago

Of course human activity has a negative effect on the environment. Only a fool would deny that.

But the *degree* of that effect is being exaggerated by political and corporate interests.

borndead1 wrote:



Agreed fully. Both sides of the issues make exaggerated claims to grab headlines. We have known for well over 100 years that adding CO2 raises temperatures. Anyone who wants can run a simple experiment to prove that.

Exxon's own scientists informed management in the 1970's of the results of their research. A disinformation campaign followed.

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Brewha
a year ago

Of course human activity has a negative effect on the environment. Only a fool would deny that.

But the *degree* of that effect is being exaggerated by political and corporate interests.

borndead1 wrote:


Talking about MACS that way will only get him mad.
And he does get mad very easily….
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a year ago

Talking about MACS that way will only get him mad.
And he does get mad very easily….

Brewha wrote:



Huh... I can't seem to find where I said humans have no impact. I posted an article that says many scientists believe there is no climate emergency. I agreed.

But please, do go on being the ass hole... or the whole ass, I suppose. Tomato, tomahto...

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Brewha
a year ago

Huh... I can't seem to find where I said humans have no impact. I posted an article that says many scientists believe there is no climate emergency. I agreed.

But please, do go on being the ass hole... or the whole ass, I suppose. Tomato, tomahto...

MACS wrote:


Are you saying that human DO have an impact on the climate?
Or as has been suggested, are playing the fool?
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BuckyB93
a year ago
On a global scale, the Earth is and enclosed system. Anything within that system has an impact on the system. This includes humans. cows, whales, chickens, mosquitos, volcanoes, icebergs, algae, bacteria, virus' ... so yes humans have an impact on the system. To what degree humans have impacted the system pales in comparison to what this planet has gone through during it's cycles of evolution. Humans are only snapshot of Earth's history.

There have been multiple organisms that have walked this Earth. Many have come and gone over the millions of years that Earth supported life as we know it. Some are still here and survived millions of years while others died off to extinction. In the big picture we (humans) are merely just another "flea" riding on this planet while it orbits the Sun.
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Brewha
a year ago

On a global scale, the Earth is and enclosed system. Anything within that system has an impact on the system. This includes humans. cows, whales, chickens, mosquitos, volcanoes, icebergs, algae, bacteria, virus' ... so yes humans have an impact on the system. To what degree humans have impacted the system pales in comparison to what this planet has gone through during it's cycles of evolution. Humans are only snapshot of Earth's history.

There have been multiple organisms that have walked this Earth. Many have come and gone over the millions of years that Earth supported life as we know it. Some are still here and survived millions of years while others died off to extinction. In the big picture we (humans) are merely just another "flea" riding on this planet while it orbits the Sun.

BuckyB93 wrote:


Most don’t know that global pollution originally killed off most of the life on earth. it was called The Great Oxidation. The original algae’s produced oxygen as a waist product that they could not tolerate. Killed of most all of them. Then O2 breathers showed up.

As to us, this is the kind of hair splitting I expect. We have an effect on the climate with is irrelevant - that is “no meaningful effect”. So “green initiative” are a scam - and climate change is “fake”. I believe that is what most here think.

Not that I agree with it.
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tailgater
a year ago

Of course human activity has a negative effect on the environment. Only a fool would deny that.

But the *degree* of that effect is being exaggerated by political and corporate interests.

borndead1 wrote:




I happen to agree with this.

Lacking from every "scientific" study I've seen has been figures to go along with their "facts".
The climate is changing, and it's very likely that we're in an upswing in global temperatures right now.
If it's 100% due to mankind, tell us.
If it's not, then tell us what percent impact is from humans.
Then break that down further to show us the percent of human influence from fossil fuels, versus how we farm, clear cut forests, build asphalt highways and concrete cities. Never mind how we've dammed up our rivers and changed our landscapes by replacing native growth with ornamental.

But we all know there is no money to be made if the problem isn't tied to oil.

If someone else is better at searching the NASA site, I'd love to see how they break it down. Last time I looked was a couple years ago, and they had nothing.

A formal conclusion without quantitative support should not be taken seriously. To make policy without so much as a pie chart should be outright unlawful.

I'm all in favor of moving towards a cleaner environment. This politically manufactured crisis hasn't even budged us in that direction.


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RayR
a year ago
I heard that if humans were extincted, the climate on Earth would never change again. 🤨
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