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Poll Question : Is Global Warming Real?
Choice Votes Statistics
No, it’s just made up by the left wing Liberals. 10 11 %
Maybe, it’s a natural cycle - not really man made. 46 54 %
Yes, it largely caused by industrial pollution. 29 34 %
Total 85 100%

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Is Global Warming Real?
Brewha Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
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So, they say sea level will rise by 1 to 4 feet by the end of the century. Fact or fiction?
Gene363 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Posts: 30,669
Brewha wrote:
So, they say sea level will rise by 1 to 4 feet by the end of the century. Fact or fiction?


As the ice caps melt it will rise some, but it will not be volume for volume. The oceans are not a flat pond.

Going to be some good property development opportunities just a few feet above current sea levels.
wheelrite Offline
#3 Posted:
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Posts: 50,119
it's all crap...

I don't care if the sky IS falling. Just don't let it fall on me...
dpnewell Offline
#4 Posted:
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Climate change is real, and has been happening since the beginning of time. Man made climate change? That I may question. Reversing it (man made or natural) by taxing energy, burdening business and increasing the cost of consumer goods with Cap & Trade schemes, driving a hybrid or putting solar panels on your roof, while China’s coal plants are dumping billions of tons of carbon into the air? That I really question.
Brewha Offline
#5 Posted:
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So, a century plus of green house gasses really doesn't make a difference. Pollution just isn't having an effect on the climate . . . .

I see there are a lot of heavy science majors on Cbid . . .
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
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Ha ing the accepted opinion always makes one smarter......
dpnewell Offline
#7 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
So, a century plus of green house gasses really doesn't make a difference. Pollution just isn't having an effect on the climate . . . .

I see there are a lot of heavy science majors on Cbid . . .


No, I did not said that it does or does not make a difference. I said I had questions (your reading skills are not the best). What I did say is that the “feel good" environment tax schemes and programs that the libs push as a solution are a joke.
jackconrad Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 06-09-2003
Posts: 67,461
Hey anyone who watched the Twilight Zone knows it's the real Deal !
DadZilla3 Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 01-17-2009
Posts: 4,633
THE SKY IS FALLING OUTRAGE!
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,065
Brewha wrote:
I see there are a lot of heavy science majors on Cbid . . .




Did you ask the original question just so you could be a douchebag or was it coincidence?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,301
Ever since the Ice Age we've been thawing out. Now it looks like we're slipping back again. Given the historic nature that's played itself out I believe we'll have another Ice Age before the Manbearpig's catastrophic delusions destroy the globe.

Then there's the whole lying to make facts from the scientific community to deal with too. Seems they ALL want in on the swindle.Frying pan
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted:
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I didn't think we were allowed to say 'Global Warming' anymore...... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#13 Posted:
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dpnewell wrote:
No, I did not said that it does or does not make a difference. I said I had questions (your reading skills are not the best). What I did say is that the “feel good" environment tax schemes and programs that the libs push as a solution are a joke.

I agree it is fair to question the extent of the impact that we have had on the warming. Yet the evidence seems overwhelming that it’s pretty much on us.
To your point, what should be done? Should we not lead by example?
Brewha Offline
#14 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Did you ask the original question just so you could be a douchebag or was it coincidence?

I was just craving your attention HD. Thanks for noticing . . .
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted:
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seems like we could just put a giant exhaust fan up in the stratosphere and vent the bad stuff into space...... Mellow




I think I'll work on that... Think
HockeyDad Offline
#16 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I agree it is fair to question the extent of the impact that we have had on the warming. Yet the evidence seems overwhelming that it’s pretty much on us.
To your point, what should be done? Should we not lead by example?



So what are you going to do about it? We're listening.
HockeyDad Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
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Brewha wrote:
I was just craving your attention HD. Thanks for noticing . . .



My attention still won't solve your problem of trying to figure out if you are going to drown due to global warming or be killed by an assault rifle!

(Here is a hint: When the ocean reaches your house, move.)
Brewha Offline
#18 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
So what are you going to do about it? We're listening.

We should lead by example. I thought you were listening . . .
See, even Drafter wants to help.

Given your solution of moving once the water reaches the front door, I now have new insight as to why the French urinate in the streets.
Brewha Offline
#19 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
seems like we could just put a giant exhaust fan up in the stratosphere and vent the bad stuff into space...... Mellow




I think I'll work on that... Think

What if we used paper towels to clean the ozone?
It’s got to need a good wiping by now . . .
ZRX1200 Offline
#20 Posted:
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Wasn't it the "scientists" who thought the world was flat and that we were the center of the universe?


Cuz I think we didn't have gun clinging bible thumping Americans in those days.
HockeyDad Offline
#21 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
We should lead by example. I thought you were listening . . .
See, even Drafter wants to help.


You dodged the question.

Brewha wrote:
Given your solution of moving once the water reaches the front door, I now have new insight as to why the French urinate in the streets.



No you do not. The correct answer is "Because England is downstream."
DrafterX Offline
#22 Posted:
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Posts: 98,508
Laugh
victor809 Offline
#23 Posted:
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So I was randomly thinking about this the other day and something occurred to me that kinda ticked me off.

Why would "It's a natural cycle, not man-made" be an acceptable answer for doing nothing?
Seriously... The end result will be the same whether the global warming is man-made or natural.

If you TRULY believe that global warming is a natural phenomenon, then why aren't you demanding the scientists find a solution? We demand technological solutions to millions of natural things all the time.... from bridges and ferries to get vehicles across water, to cancer cures to vaccines and antibiotics.

If this "natural cycle" answer was anything other than a bs answer to avoid explaining why you don't want to have energy regulations, then you'd be trying to get someone with brains to find a solution, not just shrugging it off.

** Standard disclaimer, I don't care about global warming, don't care about the life-span of our planet past the next 50 years (my expected lifespan) I just get irritated when people give stupid answers to things. Just say you don't care... I'm fine with that.
bloody spaniard Offline
#24 Posted:
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It's not that I don't care, it's that I was gypped once when I was promised a fun Ice Age back in the 70's.

Forgive me if I don't give a shiite since the globe's largest violators (India , China, & Roosha) are not being held to the same standards as the Developed World.
...and also forgive me if candle light "greenhouse scientists" from the turn of the century (20th not 21st) shiiting in outhouses, who first recorded temp gradations, have little credibility with me.
Brewha Offline
#25 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Wasn't it the "scientists" who thought the world was flat and that we were the center of the universe?


Cuz I think we didn't have gun clinging bible thumping Americans in those days.

Uh, no.
Sorry Z, it was the church that held that we were at the center of the universe. And when Copernicus (a scientist) shared his findings that the earth orbited the sun, they ran him out of the country for his blasphemy.
Brewha Offline
#26 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
You dodged the question.

Maybe you should throw them faster . . . .



Good one about England though. Applause
Brewha Offline
#27 Posted:
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Victor809 wrote:

** Standard disclaimer, I don't care about global warming, don't care about the life-span of our planet past the next 50 years (my expected lifespan) I just get irritated when people give stupid answers to things. Just say you don't care... I'm fine with that.


Another altruist.
bloody spaniard Offline
#28 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Uh, no.
Sorry Z, it was the church that held that we were at the center of the universe. And when Copernicus (a scientist) shared his findings that the earth orbited the sun, they ran him out of the country for his blasphemy.



Excellent point! Now Science has switched places & replaced the Church as the stalwarts of lunacy IMHO.
Money talks bullshiite walks...fog
Brewha Offline
#29 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Excellent point! Now Science has switched places & replaced the Church as the stalwarts of lunacy IMHO.
Money talks bullshiite walks...fog

I guess it’s fair that many would take the word of the church over that of science.

But it just cooks my noodle . . .
DrMaddVibe Offline
#30 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,301
victor809 wrote:
So I was randomly thinking about this the other day and something occurred to me that kinda ticked me off.

Why would "It's a natural cycle, not man-made" be an acceptable answer for doing nothing?
Seriously... The end result will be the same whether the global warming is man-made or natural.

If you TRULY believe that global warming is a natural phenomenon, then why aren't you demanding the scientists find a solution? We demand technological solutions to millions of natural things all the time.... from bridges and ferries to get vehicles across water, to cancer cures to vaccines and antibiotics.

If this "natural cycle" answer was anything other than a bs answer to avoid explaining why you don't want to have energy regulations, then you'd be trying to get someone with brains to find a solution, not just shrugging it off.

** Standard disclaimer, I don't care about global warming, don't care about the life-span of our planet past the next 50 years (my expected lifespan) I just get irritated when people give stupid answers to things. Just say you don't care... I'm fine with that.




Quick there's a problem. You have to stop breathing OR give me $100.00 everytime you inhale or exhale to offset this problem. Now, mind you you live in the US and have federal agencies that have addressed pollution issues for more than 30 years while other nations don't give a flying rat's butt for their environment...pay up and do it now!

Its for the children.
HockeyDad Offline
#31 Posted:
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It doesn't matter if global warming is real. Efforts are already under way to slow or stop it.

Get under the Cone.
bloody spaniard Offline
#32 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I guess it’s fair that many would take the word of the church over that of science.
But it just cooks my noodle . . .



Don't blame you...and I don't take sides as much as I listen to my conSCIENCE & question everything, my friend. Don't kneel to kiss the ring of the new CDC/FDA church. And don't be afraid to be labeled a conspiracist (gasp) looking for motives (depending on the source) and for missing or distorted data findings.
ZRX1200 Offline
#33 Posted:
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Now was the church the accepted opinion of the day then????


And someone who was ostracized was right???



Huh. Wish I woulda had a point.
bloody spaniard Offline
#34 Posted:
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Kneel before Pope Al Gore, unbeliever!!ram27bat
victor809 Offline
#35 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
It's not that I don't care, it's that I was gypped once when I was promised a fun Ice Age back in the 70's.

Forgive me if I don't give a shiite since the globe's largest violators (India , China, & Roosha) are not being held to the same standards as the Developed World.
...and also forgive me if candle light "greenhouse scientists" from the turn of the century (20th not 21st) shiiting in outhouses, who first recorded temp gradations, have little credibility with me.



Who the largest violators are implies that you agree it's man-made?

I suppose that should be a separate category as well... "It's man-made but outside our jurisdiction"....

this is of course an interesting problem, but not necessarily a valid reason to say you're not going to do anything....
If your kids are throwing trash in your yard and you tell them to stop because it's making your neighborhood look bad, and they point out that your neighbor has a burning tire pile etc.... do you let them do it?

I don't know... I think that if you actually believe there is a problem - whatever the cause (natural, bad neighbors, whatever), that you'd start trying to find a solution to whatever you believe the root cause is. That is, assuming you want a functioning planet in the long term. If you don't, then no biggie... join me in the "don't give a duck" club.
victor809 Offline
#36 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Another altruist.


I can say with all honesty I don't care about your children, or anyone else's children.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#37 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Who the largest violators are implies that you agree it's man-made?

I suppose that should be a separate category as well... "It's man-made but outside our jurisdiction"....

this is of course an interesting problem, but not necessarily a valid reason to say you're not going to do anything....
If your kids are throwing trash in your yard and you tell them to stop because it's making your neighborhood look bad, and they point out that your neighbor has a burning tire pile etc.... do you let them do it?

I don't know... I think that if you actually believe there is a problem - whatever the cause (natural, bad neighbors, whatever), that you'd start trying to find a solution to whatever you believe the root cause is. That is, assuming you want a functioning planet in the long term. If you don't, then no biggie... join me in the "don't give a duck" club.



Wow...you're never gonna leave the kiddie table with dribbling posts like that.

The point? Yeah...suppose to you it might be there...just wow. You spent more time and effort mewling about that beatdown in Georgetown than this. Step up your game.
bloody spaniard Offline
#38 Posted:
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LOL! So cruel.

The fact is, air emissions may have contributed to the temperature changes, but we simply don't know the exact causes & whether weather cycles are cyclical and we were due heat dues.Gonz
ZRX1200 Offline
#39 Posted:
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Victor you're the smartest dumbass I know.
victor809 Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
LOL! So cruel.

The fact is, air emissions may have contributed to the temperature changes, but we simply don't know the exact causes & whether weather cycles are cyclical we were due heat dues.Gonz


So, why aren't you demanding that we determine the cause?
Do you understand what I find so odd about that argument? IF you actually believe the environment is changing, AND you believe that it is changing in a way that is ultimately detrimental to you (or your family), THEN I would expect that you would be demanding answers and solutions....

Currently, the people who want to use the "natural cycle" or "China is dirtier" argument are using that argument as a reason to do nothing. Hell, if I were convinced that china was doing something ultimately destructive to my planet within the time-frame I cared about, I'd be pissed... maybe suggest some drone strikes or something...

Bottom line - if you believe there is some sort of change in a negative direction, then why aren't you doing anything about it? Too lazy? Don't care? Personally hoping for the destruction of mankind? (these are all valid answers to me, in fact, they're better answers than people usually give. At least they're congruent with their actions.
victor809 Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Victor you're the smartest dumbass I know.


Or the dumbest smartass?
Buckwheat Offline
#42 Posted:
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No. Not when you consider the time scale of planets. The earth has been cooling since it was a big lump of molten rock. It will continue to cool until our dying sun swallows it up or we are hit by another big asteroid. Why worry?

Have a drink and a smoke and enjoy life. Unless you are a creationist then you will be raptured prior to the earth’s end. You can still have a drink and a smoke but you don’t have as much time as the “Old World” crowd.
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#43 Posted:
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Think
If the climate has changed or evolved over the past million years or so I would guess we have to... the change isn't gonna happen over night.... if we need thicker skin or bigger ears to shield us from the sun then it'll prolly happen naturally.... Mellow
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Buckwheat wrote:
No. Not when you consider the time scale of planets. The earth has been cooling since it was a big lump of molten rock. It will continue to cool until our dying sun swallows it up or we are hit by another big asteroid. Why worry?

Have a drink and a smoke and enjoy life. Unless you are a creationist then you will be raptured prior to the earth’s end. You can still have a drink and a smoke but you don’t have as much time as the “Old World” crowd.


The current changes have been quick enough to suggest that within a generation or so there would be a sufficient enough climate change to impact our lives (either negatively or positively, probably depending on where you live). I'm with you... that's a long enough period of time for me to not care. This is why I don't care. But a lot of you guys have kids... kids who will have kids... I would expect logically that you would care about their well being. I suppose I could be wrong.
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#45 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
So, why aren't you demanding that we determine the cause?
Do you understand what I find so odd about that argument? IF you actually believe the environment is changing, AND you believe that it is changing in a way that is ultimately detrimental to you (or your family), THEN I would expect that you would be demanding answers and solutions....

Currently, the people who want to use the "natural cycle" or "China is dirtier" argument are using that argument as a reason to do nothing. Hell, if I were convinced that china was doing something ultimately destructive to my planet within the time-frame I cared about, I'd be pissed... maybe suggest some drone strikes or something...

Bottom line - if you believe there is some sort of change in a negative direction, then why aren't you doing anything about it? Too lazy? Don't care? Personally hoping for the destruction of mankind? (these are all valid answers to me, in fact, they're better answers than people usually give. At least they're congruent with their actions.




That's the point. Not sure if it's a natural or a man-made problem. Either way is it justifiable to go (more) broke fixing something that may not be broken? All the while Pope Gore and China profit from self inflicted Tokyo Accords? Don't think so. Not enough proof to convince me that living on a dirt floor will give me and generations to come (who spit on you) a brighter future.
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
If the climate has changed or evolved over the past million years or so I would guess we have to... the change isn't gonna happen over night.... if we need thicker skin or bigger ears to shield us from the sun then it'll prolly happen naturally.... Mellow


We will no longer evolve in response to our environment, at least not the way you envision.
Technology has ensured that we are no longer going to evolve, as evolution takes generations and a technological solution can be implemented more quickly. An individual's ability to pass genetic material on and ensure trending towards their genetic phenotype is tied to their ability to survive with the technology we have used to assist us.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
That's the point. Not sure if it's a natural or a man-made problem. Either way is it justifiable to go (more) broke fixing something that may not be broken? All the while Pope Gore and China profit from self inflicted Tokyo Accords? Don't think so. Not enough proof to convince me that living on a dirt floor will give me and generations to come (who spit on you) a brighter future.


If you don't buy that the current solution is a valid solution to the problem, why aren't you demanding we further investigate the problem? I agree completely that if the solution is actually the incorrect solution, then spending money on it is likely a waste. But if you believed that then you'd be demanding we spend money on determining what the actual solution is.... not just demanding we not spend money. Does that make sense?
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I think you should of added one more option to your list of choices that causes climate change. And that is the Sun, you know the big yellow thing in the sky that gives us sunlight. I mean it could have something to do with the weather right? d'oh!
victor809 Offline
#49 Posted:
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SweetHavok wrote:
I think you should of added one more option to your list of choices that causes climate change. And that is the Sun, you know the big yellow thing in the sky that gives us sunlight. I mean it could have something to do with the weather right? d'oh!


If you believe that the sun is having the current negative impact on our climate, and believe that the current impacts will worsen over time, then you really should get to work on a solution. It'll probably take a lot of time/money to develop some sort of space-based solution to the sun....
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#50 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
If you don't buy that the current solution is a valid solution to the problem, why aren't you demanding we further investigate the problem? I agree completely that if the solution is actually the incorrect solution, then spending money on it is likely a waste. But if you believed that then you'd be demanding we spend money on determining what the actual solution is.... not just demanding we not spend money. Does that make sense?



Why yes, yes, it does.
Now please stop bitchslapping me for a "problem" I don't think ineeds further investigating. I'm like you. I really don't care.

If anyone REALLY wants further cutbacks in emissions & other forms of contamination perhaps they should get the Chinese back on bicycles, fine the Russian NRC for global nuclear contamination ,and get Indians to stop leapfrogging from corpse to corpse on their sacred rivers & focus on cleaning up their underground water sources.
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