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rfenst Offline
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Wisconsin’s top court signals it will reinstate ballot drop boxes
The court’s liberal majority could overturn a 2022 ruling that rendered drop boxes illegal in one of the nation’s most important swing states.


WAPO

MADISON, Wis. — Liberals who control the Wisconsin Supreme Court signaled Monday that they were prepared to overturn a two-year-old decision that banned absentee ballot drop boxes and allow them for the 2024 election.

The justices’ comments during oral arguments offered the latest sign that the liberal majority is prepared to act boldly and swiftly to change policies the conservatives put in place during their 15 years controlling the court in one of the country’s most important swing states. In December, the court struck down a redistricting plan that had helped Republicans maintain their lock on the state legislature.

Democrats and voting rights proponents have argued that ballot drop boxes are a secure and convenient way for voters to ensure their ballots count. Many Republicans have argued that ballots should be returned either in person or through the mail, while others have said they support drop boxes if there are rules on how many there are and where they are located.

Some right-wing critics have seized on conspiracy theories about how ballot drop boxes have been used in past elections, and in some states groups have staked out drop boxes to monitor who turns in ballots.

If the Wisconsin court overturns the ban on drop boxes, local governments will be allowed to use them but not required to do so. Many communities still have the drop boxes they used in 2020 and could make them available again if allowed by the justices. A decision is expected in the case by next month.

Drop boxes had been used in some Wisconsin communities for years, and they proliferated in 2020 as voters turned to absentee voting in unprecedented numbers because of the coronavirus pandemic. Both Republicans and Democrats in the state initially embraced their use. Republicans later turned against them and cheered on a lawsuit challenging their legality.

In 2022, the Wisconsin Supreme Court’s conservative 4-3 majority concluded that drop boxes are not allowed and barred their use for the midterms and subsequent elections. A year later, liberals took control of the court when Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Janet Protasiewicz was elected to replace a retiring conservative.

Within months, the new majority accepted a case seeking to overturn the 2022 decision. Liberal justices made clear at Monday’s arguments that they were ready to do that. More than half of U.S. states allow the use of ballot drop boxes, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Liberal Justice Jill Karofsky cited an unexpected rationale for overturning the ban on drop boxes — the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2022 decision reversing the constitutional right to seek an abortion. She noted that conservative Justice Samuel A. Alito wrote that precedents could be overturned if they are “egregiously wrong.”

“This notion that the decision is egregiously wrong from the start, that its reasoning was exceptionally weak, that the decision has had damaging consequences — I see this as check, check, check here,” Karofsky said.

Other liberals also showed an openness to overturning a recent precedent. Protasiewicz, the newest member of the court, noted that Republican state lawmakers were arguing that the decision not be overturned even though they had repeatedly called for reversing other decisions when conservatives controlled the court. Liberal Justice Ann Walsh Bradley emphasized that courts could overturn precedents when they are “unsound” and “unworkable.”

Liberal Justice Rebecca Dallet said the decision that banned drop boxes rested on the “untenable” notion that government officials and others could take actions only if they are explicitly permitted in state law.

“There is no way, even when our statute books are quite long and there are quite a few of them, that you could possibly ever encompass every tiny little thing that ever existed in any realm, especially in election law, when we have a decentralized system,” Dallet said.

Misha Tseytlin, an attorney for Republican state lawmakers, said the court needs to stick with the 2022 decision because the legislature has not changed the law and no new significant facts have come to light.

Voters will choose a new justice next year because Bradley is retiring, and that could change which faction controls the court. If the court reverses course, Tseytlin noted, “we’re going to be back here again.”

A similar dynamic is playing out on North Carolina’s top court, but with the ideological roles reversed. Republicans gained control of that court from Democrats in the 2022 elections and soon afterward overturned rulings on redistricting and voter ID.

In Wisconsin, conservative Justice Rebecca Bradley raised concerns about how far a decision allowing drop boxes could go, asking attorneys for the group that brought the lawsuit whether they wanted a decision that would allow voters to return absentee ballots in other ways.

“An unsecured bag? A cardboard box? A van that goes around picking up ballots? What is the limiting principle of what you’re asking this court to rule?” asked Bradley, who is not related to the liberal justice with the same last name.

Attorneys arguing to overturn the 2022 decision said election officials would adhere to a state law that requires them to run secure elections.
RayR Offline
#2 Posted:
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Ya, it looks like the LEFTIES are setting the stage for some voter fraud again. Eh?
rfenst Offline
#3 Posted:
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You mean making it easier for people to vote a different way than you personally want voting limited.
HockeyDad Offline
#4 Posted:
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It’s definitely convenient for ballot harvesting.
MaduroJorge Offline
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Would you risk mailing your winning Lotto ticket, lest pick a small amount, say $5000.00,
to a friend or relative to cash ? I think not.

So why trust the USPS and high pressure campaign workers with our most Sacred right?
Stogie1020 Offline
#6 Posted:
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Just so I understand,

It's BAD to have to go to a specific location where my ID gets checked to cast my ballot, but it's GOOD to have to go to a different specific location where my ID does not get checked to cast my ballot?

MACS Offline
#7 Posted:
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News isn't telling you a dominion voting machine was hacked with a bic pen... or that Georgia had thousands of ballots that they counted and couldn't produce.

Nothing to see here, though... or in drop boxes. Look away. LOOK AWAY!

Oh, and Wisconsin had similar issues...
deadeyedick Offline
#8 Posted:
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This is only a problem iffn your candidate loses.

Flash: They are both losers.
ZRX1200 Offline
#9 Posted:
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You’re not wrong, but the candidates aren’t the biggest problem.
Speyside2 Offline
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^ I disagree, both of the candidates need to be in nursing homes and are utterly worthless. To me the system/process is the second biggest problem. though this is a chicken and egg type of disagreement to me.
RayR Offline
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I can understand why Joey wants to rig debates with no audience and no 3rd party candidates. He can't attract flies.



"Make My Day, Pal": Biden Wants June, September Debates; Trump Accepts: "I'm Ready To Go"


by Tyler Durden
Wednesday, May 15, 2024 - 10:20 AM

Quote:
President Biden on Wedensday says he won't participate in the decades-old tradition of three fall debates by the bipartisan Commission on Presidential Debates, and has proposed two televised debates in June and September - with no audience, RFK Jr. can't participate, and Trump's mic will be muted when Biden is speaking. Oh, and they can only be hosted by a regime-friendly network.

Outlined in a video message and a letter to the commission, Biden called for direct negotiations between his campaign and the Trump campaign over rules, moderators, and network hosts for the one-on-one debates. He proposed a separate VP debate in July, after the Republican nominating convention and before the Democratic nominating convention.

MORE...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/make-my-day-pal-biden-wants-june-september-debates-refuses-debate-commission-dates
DrMaddVibe Offline
#12 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
I can understand why Joey wants to rig debates with no audience and no 3rd party candidates. He can't attract flies.


The exclusion of ALL candidates running for office is a complete travesty. If you're on the ticket in all 50 states, then you belong on the stage. You've earned that.

Speaking of earning...RFK Jr. has earned Secret Service protection. His uncle (JFK) and father (RFK) were assassinated and you have the DNC denying him the right of protection that's been offered to all. It's like they want him to face assassination attempts as well.

Oh wait, looks like Joe doesn't get to be on the stage...he won't be on all 50 states!!!! Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan


https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2024/0412/election-states-ballot-biden-trump
ZRX1200 Offline
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Does the stage have stairs?


#heistheirbitch
DrMaddVibe Offline
#14 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Does the stage have stairs?


#heistheirbitch



Doesn't matter now.

https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/watch-the-incredible-moment-joe-bidens-handlers-save-him-from-the-press/video/667f107220ec22344e65024915588c51


https://nypost.com/2024/04/26/us-news/the-reason-why-joe-biden-changed-how-he-walks/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-s-handler-seems-to-remember-something-important-cameras-catch-the-subtle-change/ar-BB1mdxcw

https://ijr.com/bidens-handler-seems-remember-something-important-halfway-marine-one-cameras-catch-subtle-change/


The Pedo Uniter!!!!whip
drglnc Offline
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MaduroJorge wrote:
Would you risk mailing your winning Lotto ticket, lest pick a small amount, say $5000.00,
to a friend or relative to cash ? I think not.

So why trust the USPS and high pressure campaign workers with our most Sacred right?


not lottery but i have done similar lived overseas for 15 years and frequently had to mail via usps money, important and sensitive documents and all kinds of stuff. i honestly cant think of a single time something i mailed usps didn't make it to the destination. ive had a few packages from online orders disappear but that is a different thing.
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rfenst wrote:
You mean making it easier for people to vote a different way.....


It is a lot easier for people in a coma to vote. And, vote several times!

Add to that, the irony of nobody worth voting for.
Abrignac Offline
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rfenst wrote:
You mean making it easier for people to vote a different way than you personally want voting limited.


I want each and every legal vote counted, once. I want illegal votes tossed aside.

I’m not sure why it’s ok to have to present an ID when voting in person, but if doing so absentee then no ID verification is needed.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Watch it, you’re sounding very RACIST!!!!
Abrignac Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Watch it, you’re sounding very RACIST!!!!


The left deals that card from the bottom every chance they get.
drglnc Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
I want each and every legal vote counted, once. I want illegal votes tossed aside.

I’m not sure why it’s ok to have to present an ID when voting in person, but if doing so absentee then no ID verification is needed.



only 11 states require photo ID to vote, In Md i just give my name and DOB, i once tried to show my id instead and the person literally put a hand up to shield themselves from the ID and said we cant look at that.
Abrignac Offline
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drglnc wrote:
only 11 states require photo ID to vote, In Md i just give my name and DOB, i once tried to show my id instead and the person literally put a hand up to shield themselves from the ID and said we cant look at that.



All should require ID. Otherwise why not use a quota system. Say a precinct has 3,000 voter names on the roll. They begin a count down with the first person who votes. Once 3,000 votes have been cast the polls at that location close regardless of the number of people still in line. It would be so simple. A handful of “operatives” could get there early, vote, go t the back of the line, lather, rinse and repeat.

Not surprised that MD doesn’t require an ID to vote. It’s commonly thought to be the Bluest state in the US. Democrats have long opined that it’s burdensome to acquire a government issued ID. Yet, it’s required for many other mundane situations.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#22 Posted:
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Information is your friend. Disinformation is not your friend.

The CIA is working in other nations to subvert a US election.

https://odysee.com/@Velyaminov:a/Ukrainian-troll-factory-aims-to-undermine-and-influence-the-2024-US-election:2
HockeyDad Offline
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drglnc wrote:
not lottery but i have done similar lived overseas for 15 years and frequently had to mail via usps money, important and sensitive documents and all kinds of stuff. i honestly cant think of a single time something i mailed usps didn't make it to the destination. ive had a few packages from online orders disappear but that is a different thing.


Mail me $1000 in cash. If it makes it through, I’ll mail it back.
drglnc Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
All should require ID. Otherwise why not use a quota system. Say a precinct has 3,000 voter names on the roll. They begin a count down with the first person who votes. Once 3,000 votes have been cast the polls at that location close regardless of the number of people still in line. It would be so simple. A handful of “operatives” could get there early, vote, go t the back of the line, lather, rinse and repeat.

Not surprised that MD doesn’t require an ID to vote. It’s commonly thought to be the Bluest state in the US. Democrats have long opined that it’s burdensome to acquire a government issued ID. Yet, it’s required for many other mundane situations.


i actually don't disagree that ID should be required... but each state makes its own laws related to elections. i also believe that a state issued ID should be free if it is being required for anything.
drglnc Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Mail me $1000 in cash. If it makes it through, I’ll mail it back.



Does it matter that i trust the usps more than i trust you?

I'm curious, how many of the cigar trades, box passes, Secret Santa's etc that are mailed between forum members do not make the location? I admittedly have only been an active trader for a few years on this site but can not remember a single one gong missing or being mentioned on any of the trade threads...
frankj1 Offline
#26 Posted:
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drglnc wrote:
Does it matter that i trust the usps more than i trust you?

I'm curious, how many of the cigar trades, box passes, Secret Santa's etc that are mailed between forum members do not make the location? I admittedly have only been an active trader for a few years on this site but can not remember a single one gong missing or being mentioned on any of the trade threads...

not enough to swing an election for dog catcher in Mayberry...at least according to Ken Block.
RobertHively Offline
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Elections? Think
frankj1 Offline
#28 Posted:
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RobertHively wrote:
Erections? Think


it's not your fault.
RobertHively Offline
#29 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
it's not your fault.


Not you, Frank.


http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3tzjgy
rfenst Offline
#30 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
I want each and every legal vote counted, once. I want illegal votes tossed aside.

I’m not sure why it’s ok to have to present an ID when voting in person, but if doing so absentee then no ID verification is needed.

In Florida, ballot box vote signatures must match the voter's signature on record to be counted. If the signatures don't match the person whose ballot it is is contacted immediately to investigate what occurred and to cure any defects.

It is illegal in Florida to possess more than five ballots per election; and they can only be from immediate family members. Two full time poll workers count the number of ballots before each voter places the ballot(s) in the slot and qualify they are from immediate family members- all before they go into the box.

The ballot box is only open during early voting days and is only located at the poll. It is guarded by two people at all times. People can drive up, get out of their car, drop off their ballot and be out of there in like 2 minutes.

I have been an election worker and am trained to perform several different poll jobs. In 2022, I guarded the a ballot box slot- for like 10 days. Nobody stuffed the ballot box.
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