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Mary, Mary, quite contrary, How does your garden grow?
Jakethesnake86 Offline
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I planted over 3 million corn seed today. Several more million to go. Got some free sweet corn seed for the garden as a thank you from pioneer
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Damn, that’s a lot of fish heads! Good work. Jake. You deserve a great smoke and an adult beverage.
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
I planted over 3 million corn seed today.


Damn cuz. You got enough canning jars and lids for that? :)
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Put the last 7 rows in before the thunderstorm.

35 rows total of 38 to 40 seeds, gives us 1,330 to 1,400 seeds planted.

Was thinking...so that's 1/25th of an acre. Multiple the above numbers by 25 and that's 33,250 to 35,000 seeds per acre.

It would take me almost a month to plant an acre of corn if I worked 8 hrs a day everyday. Not happening.

Is there some type of machine that small scale farmers use that doesn't cost 10's or 100's of thousands of dollars??
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RobertHively wrote:
Put the last 7 rows in before the thunderstorm.

35 rows total of 38 to 40 seeds, gives us 1,330 to 1,400 seeds planted.

Was thinking...so that's 1/25th of an acre. Multiple the above numbers by 25 and that's 33,250 to 35,000 seeds per acre.

It would take me almost a month to plant an acre of corn if I worked 8 hrs a day everyday. Not happening.

Is there some type of machine that small scale farmers use that doesn't cost 10's or 100's of thousands of dollars??



There are several walk behind manual seed planters that can be had for $100-$200. Just google “manual seed planter”. It seems that the wheels are of sufficient size to facilitate moving across freshly tilled soil. I’d opt for the one having the largest wheels if all else is equal. Of course I can’t attest to the quality of manufacturing or actual functionality since I’ve never owned one.

On the other hand if you have a tractor then there are many that will mount on a 3-point hitch. But those start around $1,600 or so.
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Abrignac wrote:
There are several walk behind manual seed planters that can be had for $100-$200. .

On the other hand if you have a tractor then there are many that will mount on a 3-point hitch. But those start around $1,600 or so.


Ok I will definitely look into that for next season. Even if I only build that 50x50 garden, a tool like that would help me.

I have a couple riding mowers. They make attachments for my Cub Cadet Xt1 Lt50. I know they make snow plow attachments for example, but I don't think they have anything for gardening. I can check OEM and aftermarket...

Thanks.


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RobertHively wrote:
Ok I will definitely look into that for next season. Even if I only build that 50x50 garden, a tool like that would help me.

I have a couple riding mowers. They make attachments for my Cub Cadet Xt1 Lt50. I know they make snow plow attachments for example, but I don't think they have anything for gardening. I can check OEM and aftermarket...

Thanks.




Craigslist is useful if you don’t mind trying a used one
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jeebling wrote:
Craigslist is useful if you don’t mind trying a used one


Good idea. I'll check FB Marketplace too when I have the time.

Since we've been up here I got my 75 gal aquarium and my plow from Marketplace.
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You can your sweet corn Robert? I grew up blanching it and freezing it after cutting it off the cob

I grow very little sweet corn everything I’m planting will eventually become chicken feed. I sell my grain to the chicken companies mountaire mostly
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Just for the heck of it I run a kinze 3660 12-23 planter if anyone is curious you can google it. They’re good planters lol
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
You can your sweet corn Robert? I grew up blanching it and freezing it after cutting it off the cob

I grow very little sweet corn everything I’m planting will eventually become chicken feed. I sell my grain to the chicken companies mountaire mostly


That’s interesting. When I was driving OTR I hauled many loads of Mountaire chicken out of the Siler City, NC plant to Restaurant Depots all across the southwest states and up and down the Pacific coast states.

Where are you located Jake?
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RobertHively wrote:
Put the last 7 rows in before the thunderstorm.

35 rows total of 38 to 40 seeds, gives us 1,330 to 1,400 seeds planted.

Was thinking...so that's 1/25th of an acre. Multiple the above numbers by 25 and that's 33,250 to 35,000 seeds per acre.

It would take me almost a month to plant an acre of corn if I worked 8 hrs a day everyday. Not happening.

Is there some type of machine that small scale farmers use that doesn't cost 10's or 100's of thousands of dollars??


At 75% germination and average of 3 ears per stalk you’ll end up with at least 2,000 ears. Probably more unless a storm or some other disaster destroys your crop. You’re gonna be eating homemade Doritos every day.
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Abrignac I’m in Delaware Harrington. I used to raise chickens for Perdue for years
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
Abrignac I’m in Delaware Harrington. I used to raise chickens for Perdue for years


I think I may have passed through your neck of the woods a time or two. Seems like I came out of New Jersey once or twice and picked up chicken in Delaware then headed back northwest towards the Baltimore area to catch I-95 then onward to who knows where.
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
You can your sweet corn Robert? I grew up blanching it and freezing it after cutting it off the cob

I grow very little sweet corn everything I’m planting will eventually become chicken feed. I sell my grain to the chicken companies mountaire mostly



We froze a lot of it, but we did can 12 pints last summer.

It was good, and canning preserves the corn even if there is no electricity.
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
Just for the heck of it I run a kinze 3660 12-23 planter if anyone is curious you can google it. They’re good planters lol


That's really cool, Jake.
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Abrignac wrote:
At 75% germination and average of 3 ears per stalk you’ll end up with at least 2,000 ears. Probably more unless a storm or some other disaster destroys your crop. You’re gonna be eating homemade Doritos every day.


Processing all of it will be the hard part.


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^ yeah processing is the issue but damn sweet corn hits hard when you have it frozen or canned around February when nothing fresh is available. I put a little bit in my planter and grow enough to share and eat
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Abrignac wrote:
At 75% germination and average of 3 ears per stalk you’ll end up with at least 2,000 ears. Probably more unless a storm or some other disaster destroys your crop. You’re gonna be eating homemade Doritos every day.


Hey I dint want to mess up your politics thread too much but I did laugh at your "corn futures" post.

I know I should have staggered the corn. 50% initial plant, and then plant the other 50% around mid June. That way the processing wouldn't be all at the same time, it's what I do with my beans.

This is the first year of the 70x25 though, and I just wanted to see the corn come up all at once...prolly gonna regret that.
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The oak trees in the yard drop several different things. Majestically beautiful, but something falling from them is killing my lawn. Live in a woody area.

What is it and how do I counteract it?

My lawn has been the lesser of many subpar yards on my street. Some neighbors do all sorts of chemicals with has a marginal inpact for half the summer, then revert a level similar to mine.

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RobertHively wrote:
Hey I dint want to mess up your politics thread too much but I did laugh at your "corn futures" post.

I know I should have staggered the corn. 50% initial plant, and then plant the other 50% around mid June. That way the processing wouldn't be all at the same time, it's what I do with my beans.

This is the first year of the 70x25 though, and I just wanted to see the corn come up all at once...prolly gonna regret that.


Ahhh it wouldn’t have bothered me. The only scared thread on the site is the 500 and some noob even managed to screw that up.
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8trackdisco wrote:
The oak trees in the yard drop several different things. Majestically beautiful, but something falling from them is killing my lawn. Live in a woody area.

What is it and how do I counteract it?

My lawn has been the lesser of many subpar yards on my street. Some neighbors do all sorts of chemicals with has a marginal inpact for half the summer, then revert a level similar to mine.



I’ve been told that grass won’t grow under an Oak tree. From the trunk, you should start seeing grass before you get to the drip line. I keep my Oaks mulched about halfway to the drip line. I start the mulch approximately 1 1/2 - 2 foot from the trunk. I keep the little circle between the mulch and trunk raked and clean and I keep the top roots there exposed. This little area is a terrific place to water your tree in drought conditions and a good place to put fertilizer if you do that. Neem oil root soak method seems to keep most of the bugs and ants out of my trees and it’s hard to mess up on the root soak. This little maintenance trench is also a good place to grow herbs. Just about any herb will benefit your trees root systems. I’m no expert, this is based on trial and error of internet tips. I wish you luck.
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8track, what kind of grass?

How much sun does the area get?
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Planted vegetables for 7 hrs today. Made a lot of progress but not even close to being finished. I'd say another 5 to 7 hrs of work...

Plus the grass needs cut again. Busy time of year. Burn a lot of calories and a lot of 2 stroke oil.

Over and out.
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RobertHively wrote:
Planted vegetables for 7 hrs today. Made a lot of progress but not even close to being finished. I'd say another 5 to 7 hrs of work...

Plus the grass needs cut again. Busy time of year. Burn a lot of calories and a lot of 2 stroke oil.

Over and out.


I do not have annuals because the ground-cover and other plants contrast each other colorfully and really well.

The ground cover is purple with pink flowers that open daily and never fall off . Right now, the society garlic (pink) the ground cover (purple, African Iris (white and yellow), and my Lilly of the Nile (light blue), are blooming and all but the Lilly of the Nile bloom all summer.

Mulched like 4"+ last year so few to no weeds and it all looks good for another year. Lawn looks great as do the trees and palms. Nothing could kill the hollies, sago palm, cardboard palm, sago palms, Ligustrum or pittosporum....

Most importantly, I started collecting people's spent orchids after they were done blooming over the last year. I have been easily taking care of them watering like 4-6/year and that is it. Key is that they get indirect afternoon sunlight. I have about 10 white and yellows blooms on two plants and a fuchsia and yellow bloom just starting to open up!
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l^

Sounds like you have a beautiful yard, Fenster. Ours is a work in progress.

We have some Iris plants in our yard. They are purple with some yellow and white on the inner part of the flower.
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RobertHively wrote:
Planted vegetables for 7 hrs today. Made a lot of progress but not even close to being finished. I'd say another 5 to 7 hrs of work...

Plus the grass needs cut again. Busy time of year. Burn a lot of calories and a lot of 2 stroke oil.

Over and out.


Good work bro. Keep stroking (as long as you have oil)
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jeebling wrote:
Good work bro. Keep stroking (as long as you have oil)



Lol I'll do my best...

Bought a gallon of Echo Red Armor 2 stroke oil in January 2023. Still got about half of it left.

Used a lot more last season, because I ran a 1991 Lawnboy 5hp 2 stroke. They take a 32:1 ratio and guzzle the gasoline. Switched to a new Cub Cadet 4 stroke push mower for trim work this season.

Run my trimmers, chainsaws and water pump at 50:1 per the OEM specs, and still use quite a bit of Red Armor.
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Still have to put in cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, sugar snap peas, carrots and potatoes.

I'm gonna make a list of everything we've planted in "Garden A" when we are completely finished with it.

Some of the corn is starting to pop up. Most of in fact, other than those last 7 rows that we planted a few days after our initial planting.
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Red armor is very very good air cooled 2 stroke oil. I run it myself. I’ve taken a few 2 stroke chainsaws apart. I’ve got 10 or so top notch husqvarna saws. It’s another weird hobby of mine. Do not recommend lucas 2 stroke at all or stihl silver. Use anything but those
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Got some ambrosia sweet corn from my seed dealer as a thank you for buying bulk from the guy. I’m gonna put some in my planter and run a few rows at my shop to eat and share
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RobertHively wrote:
Still have to put in cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, sugar snap peas, carrots and potatoes.

I'm gonna make a list of everything we've planted in "Garden A" when we are completely finished with it.

Some of the corn is starting to pop up. Most of in fact, other than those last 7 rows that we planted a few days after our initial planting.


Most of that, if not all, could be planted a little bit earlier, especially if you’re planning to do two plantings next year.
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jeebling wrote:
I’ve been told that grass won’t grow under an Oak tree. From the trunk, you should start seeing grass before you get to the drip line. I keep my Oaks mulched about halfway to the drip line. I start the mulch approximately 1 1/2 - 2 foot from the trunk.


The grass was better in the back yard. The grass has been coming back poorer year over year.
Drip Line? Meaning how wide is the root base, relating to the widest span of the canopy above?
Probably 30 yards across? Have five oaks on the property. Grass grows well enough in the front, but doesn't in the back.
I do the spring weed and seed thing (it will go down after the next rain).
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Stogie1020 wrote:
8track, what kind of grass?

How much sun does the area get?


Don't know the type of grass. 150 years ago, this was simply a woods. Grass doesn't grow well in the woods. That said, it use to grow a lot better, getting worse YOY.

There is more sun in the back over the years. One neighbor is a tree assassin, so the mid and late afternoon sun seems to cook it more than in the past. The tree assassin neighbor put in a new lawn last year, so my yard looks even more sickly.
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Try rye grass in the back, it is rough, but if anything will grow there that is it in my opinion. When I lived in Wisconsin our property had several such areas. An older gent who worked at True Value told me to try rye. I did and it grew just fine.
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Bought some organic soil for our raised garden beds.
Once those are poured and all the soil mixed, with test to PH level in the hopes of maximizing our next crop.
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Speyside2 wrote:
Try rye grass in the back, it is rough, but if anything will grow there that is it in my opinion. When I lived in Wisconsin our property had several such areas. An older gent who worked at True Value told me to try rye. I did and it grew just fine.


Rye.

Is there an advantage or disadvantage of simply mixing in the rye grass seed with the weed and feed?
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8trackdisco wrote:
Rye.

Is there an advantage or disadvantage of simply mixing in the rye grass seed with the weed and feed?

You can also try Fescue, it has decent shade tollerance.

Before you dump seed down, I might think about core aerating the area. You can do it by hand or rent a machine. You mentioned the grass has gortten worse and worse year over year, so soil compaction may be an issue. It may be making it tough for nutrients to get to the grass roots. If youhave a tiller, you could also till in some manure/compost to loosen the soil and re-invite the microorganisms that make the soil healthy.

In terms of the weed and feed, just make sure it doesn't have any pre-emergent herbicides in it, as they work to prevent new growth (like your grass).
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Applied 30 lbs of 30-0-4 fertilizer to the 1,750 sq ft corn plot this evening. Corn is sitting at 6 to 10 inches tall.

Then we soaked the area with creek water, using our water pump, for about 30 to 35 min.

Used some organic 4-6-3 on all of the plants in the big garden. Watered it as well.

Everything is looking good, especially the corn,

Really appreciate the advice I got here on this thread.
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Put the plants out in the containers this past weekend. Went to the farm/garden nursery and bought some of those 6 pack seedling thingies to replace the things that I couldn't start from seed.

Tomatoes: Regular size and cherry size (6 pack of each from the nursery). Planted 3 of each.
Peppers some sweet and some hot: (6 pack of each from the nursery). Planted 3 of eash.
Cucumbers: Started from seed with no poblems, medium size fruit, 6 of each.
Sunflowers: Started from seed with no problems, Qty 6.
Peas: Started from seed with no problems, 6 ish or so.
Pole beans: Started from seed no problems, 6 ish or so.

Herbs - my seeds didn't germinate so got some infants from the nursery.
Chives: From the nursery but also trying again some from seed.
Basil: From the nursery.
Oregano: From the nursery.
Rosemary: From the nursery.
Parsley: From the nursery.
Lavender: Trying another round of seeds.

I want to get some dill, coriander/cilantro going. Probably some green onions/scallions going too.

I probably have a dozen ish of tomato, peppers, herb infants left from the 6 packs that will need to be re homed. Neighbors have nice garden set ups so I'll ask them if thy want them.

My Son and his girlfriend want to do some flowers so that will be the next step. Outside on the front lawn we have a rather large lilac bush. I love the smell of lilacs. Sadly the flowers are all done by the end of June in my area and if you try to clip them and put them in a water container inside, they only last a few days.

I see some posts on the neighborhood chat forums where folks looking to divide their rhubarb and you can take the cuttings for free. I might take them up on that offer but I'll have to plant them in the ground since they are not an item that would work well in containers. I love strawberry and rhubarb pie. Shoot I like straight up rhubarb sticks dipped in sugar as a snack. Maybe I try a smaller cutting and put it in a container for this summer then transplant it into the ground early in the fall. I'll have to look into transplanting rhubarb .
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Stogie1020 wrote:
You can also try Fescue, it has decent shade tollerance.

Before you dump seed down, I might think about core aerating the area. You can do it by hand or rent a machine. You mentioned the grass has gortten worse and worse year over year, so soil compaction may be an issue. It may be making it tough for nutrients to get to the grass roots. If youhave a tiller, you could also till in some manure/compost to loosen the soil and re-invite the microorganisms that make the soil healthy.

In terms of the weed and feed, just make sure it doesn't have any pre-emergent herbicides in it, as they work to prevent new growth (like your grass).


Core Aerating?
How do I accomplish that by hand? Those machines for rent are heavy. Loading and unloading the, is a non starter.
Admittedly lost. Just read this before I was going to weed n seed.

Pausing that pending your By Hand Aerating hack.
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^You can get an aerator from Home Depot... spike aerators are $75-$100 but boy are they a pain in the arse. You may be able to have someone with a machine do it for you. IIRC I had that done on my lawn in CA for $75.

Wife has a few tomato plants... all you folks that grow these, what can she do to help them? They seem to be dying on her.

1 of them is in a small pot. That may be the problem. The other 2 are in a bigger, longer trough style pot... but they're kinda listless, too.
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8trackdisco wrote:
Core Aerating?
How do I accomplish that by hand? Those machines for rent are heavy. Loading and unloading the, is a non starter.
Admittedly lost. Just read this before I was going to weed n seed.

Pausing that pending your By Hand Aerating hack.


I use one of these (not sure this exact one, but it looks just like this): https://shorturl.at/rCxkY

Make sure your soil is pretty deeply damp before trying to use or you will struggle. A good soaking the night before should help. Once you have pulled a bunch of plugs out, you can collect them by hand or if you have a rotary mower, run it at a high height over the cores and it will suck them all up into the bagger. Once you have the core holes made, I like to fill them in with playground sand. The sand allows the air/water/nutrients to exchange in the holes, but without having a bunch of actual holes in the ground.
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MACS wrote:

Wife has a few tomato plants... all you folks that grow these, what can she do to help them? They seem to be dying on her.

1 of them is in a small pot. That may be the problem. The other 2 are in a bigger, longer trough style pot... but they're kinda listless, too.


That's a hard question to answer not knowing what cultivars she's growing, what soil she's growing in, what fertilizer and how much, how much watering she is doing and how good is the drainage in the containers.

Small pots, like 1-2 gallon size may be fine for some dwarf or micro-dwarf tomato varieties. I grow varieties like Red Robin Cherry and Sophie's Choice ( a medium-size slicer) in small containers like that and they produce great. Those will have a dense leaf canopy but only get around 1 ft. tall.



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Are they yellowing Macs? Little more input one of us may be able to help
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
Are they yellowing Macs? Little more input one of us may be able to help


The bottom of my corn stalks are yellowing. So is my okra. Suggestions?
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Abrignac wrote:
The bottom of my corn stalks are yellowing. So is my okra. Suggestions?

My Lilly of the Nile (Agapanthus) are in full bloom- light blue and bluish lavender.
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
Are they yellowing Macs? Little more input one of us may be able to help


Yes. She's using potting soil, mostly, with tomato food. Waters morning and evening. Pots have sufficient drainage.
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MACS wrote:
Yes. She's using potting soil, mostly, with tomato food. Waters morning and evening. Pots have sufficient drainage.

Tomatoes are notoriously hard to grow in Florida. Got to have the right strain(s) of tomato plant or seeds. Got to watch out and protect against insects vigilantly. Disease is also an issue as are humidity and temperature.
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MACS wrote:
Yes. She's using potting soil, mostly, with tomato food. Waters morning and evening. Pots have sufficient drainage.


She might be watering them too much. If it doesn't rain we might water our garden once every 2 or 3 days.

Also, make sure the water is draining out of the holes in the bottom of the pot, they could be clogged up.

Finally, make sure the pot is big enough for a full grown tomato plant. If the pot is too small it could make the plant "root bound".
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