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Kitty Litter Beads
GreenWolf70 Offline
#1 Posted:
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Thought it might be time to post this again. Since its time to buy again and I lost the original email from Ultrapet.

I’ve had two 150 Quart Marine Cooler coolerdors in my basement for over two years. I have less problems with them than with my three other large humidors. You don’t need to line them just store your cigars in old wooden cigar boxes.

You can keep your beads in a cigar box you cut with vents covered with nylon screen, or just do like I do and either fill with beads an old, but clean, sock or the foot of some pantyhose and tie it off.

When your RH gets low toss a damp sock into the coolerdor until the RH gets back up around 70%. Don’t spray water directly on your beads or they may fracture leaving lots of dust around your cigars.

To start, or charge, your coolerdor, place empty cigar boxes, your beads and a clean damp rag (a couple of athletic socks works well too) into the coolerdor and close it up for a few days, or until the RH stabilizes between 65% and 70%. Then fill with cigars. Very simple and cheap. Place Coolerdor someplace where the temp stays fairly constant (between 50-70 degrees) and the humidity is constant too. I have a dehumidifier for my basement anyway, so I set it at 65%. It works well for me.

For those of you who have enjoyed the cheap Kitty Litter beads for humidifying your humidors and coolerdors, Exquisicat Pearl Fresh is no longer being produced, but the manufactor has told me that they are still producing the following brands that are the same as Exquisicat Pearl Fresh:

Tracksless Litter Pearls
Crystal Clear Litter Pearls
Ultra Pearls

http://www.ultrapet.com/ccmsds.html

From a manufacturer of ultra kitty litters: "We have been contacted by a number of folks about using our pearls to maintain humidity in cigar humidors and they find that any of our pearls are great for this process. We have Trackless Litter Pearls, Crystal Clear Litter Pearls and Ultra Pearls."

BTW, they changed the shape of the beads so they don’t bounce and roll away so easily.

I find that KL maintains RH at exactly the same levels as 65% cigar beads. JMHO
rfenst Offline
#2 Posted:
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Here we go again...
Ram27 Offline
#3 Posted:
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A much more pressing question is.........































Cello on, cello off ??????????????????
tljones1961 Offline
#4 Posted:
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Me thinks he has a foot fetish.
tonyt722 Offline
#5 Posted:
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And if you have cats just leave the lids open so they have somewhere to piss
GreenWolf70 Offline
#6 Posted:
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Just info on what brands work. No argument needed or asked for.
victor808 Offline
#7 Posted:
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I've honestly never understood why these kitty-litter vs other beads arguments always turn nasty.

Ah well, I'll watch anyway. :)
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted:
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If they work they work.

You guys ever travel anywhere they eat strange (to you) food? Sometimes it's good...(Camel meat sucks).


If litter is way cheaper than beads I can see the usefulness.

Myself, I'll stick with the electric device in my Humi.
engletl Offline
#9 Posted:
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I have never had luck using kitty litter, but know many who swear by it
dadz Offline
#10 Posted:
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^
njstone Offline
#11 Posted:
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Personally, I specifically tell my cats NOT to piss in my tupperdors ... but that's just me.





;)
seaborn Offline
#12 Posted:
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What's a basement?
GreenWolf70 Offline
#13 Posted:
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5 pounds of Ultra Pearl at Publics for $7.99. What you boys pay for them HF beads, about $28 per pound?
Stinkdyr Offline
#14 Posted:
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i like chicken, i like liver, meow mix meow mix pleeeeeez deliver!
GreenWolf70 Offline
#15 Posted:
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BACON......
Slimboli Offline
#16 Posted:
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Why anyone would want to use the stuff designed for use as a 'kitty litter' in their humidors is beyond me ...

... and I don't hold a lot of weight to what anyone who has used it claims. THEY DONT DO THE SAME THING! Plain and simple ... kitty litter is meant to absorb cat pee!

It is just NOT the same ... and there is a reason the humidification beads cost more ... they do more. I bought the 'competitor' 65% beads and they are absolute rock solid in holding 65 in both summer (when there tends to be more humidity) and in the winter when houses tend to dry under heated conditions.

The silica used for cat litter is formulated to absorb and 'lock' in the moisture ... mainly to control odor ... and therefore does not RELEASE humidity ... so it does not remotely compare to a quality bead. It is probably is great for taking some moisture out of the humidor. But, should the humidity drop to 62 or 60 or 58 ... the only way it will go back up is if you add moisture in the form of more water ... more work for you ... whereas the beads are designed do that work.
csiegels Offline
#17 Posted:
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^ I am in agreement.

With the investment I have in cigars, a few dollars more for the 'right' product doesn't seem out of line.
JohnE1000 Offline
#18 Posted:
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Some people swear by the Cat stuff. It is cheap enough to try. If it works, it works, and if it doesn't, get a Cat.
A J Offline
#19 Posted:
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Greenwolf thanks for info. i have large humi.,useing oasis xl, in winter with heat on must add water twice weekly, i am thinking of using coolerdor you just help reinforce idea
thanks Aj.
Stickbuild Offline
#20 Posted:
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OK,give me your addy. I cant take the kitty litter thing anymore. I will gladly donate some beads as long as the litter comes out of the humi.

Freakin dark ages,cat litter in humidors and something about a sock,beating rocks together to spark a cigars, cats and dogs moving in together.

LOL @ 16.....made for cat pee, nice!

Seriously email me you addy. [email protected]
ill send a small ziplock container with about 6oz of dry beads in it.
GreenWolf70 Offline
#21 Posted:
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From the Ultrapet website:
"...The silica gel will then let the moisture evaporate while trapping the odor controlling substances inside the crystals..."

Have you noticed that you HF beads will sometimes turn brown? That's because the are doing the same job as the kitty litter.

Chemically, the HF beads and KL beads are the same.

Maybe I should start a business repackaging KL beads to sell as Cigar beads. Buying at $1.60 a pound (maybe less in bulk) and reselling at $25 a pound (to undercut the competition a little), I think there might be a substantial profit margin in there. Since so many of you seem to be in denial, there should be sucker, er customer base to justify the effort.
Stickbuild Offline
#22 Posted:
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......or perhapse a reasonable person asking for advice would have taken the offer for the beads and made some type of educated comparison. Such as running a sample of each in different humi's and watching things like recovery rate or average humidity over all, or maybe even how long they stay hydrated comparativly and posted there results. Then they maybe could claim which ones actually works better vs. the other with factors besides pricing.

I for one will not be running the tests, I dont care how cat litter reacts in my humidors. I also know that beads dont cost $28per, google has more than 1 page.


anybody else want some beads?
TIGERCDW Offline
#23 Posted:
Joined: 09-17-2009
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@ #22

I want to buy some beads for a new humi i just got.
Where did you see that they were cheaper?
I was just about sold on the kitty litter until I read your posts.

TIGER

TIGERCDW (at) AOL dot com
asb2106 Offline
#24 Posted:
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well im not using kitty litter for my beads... but at the same time I am definitely not using that expensive crap.

What a waste of money for something that simply holds and releases humidity.

I buy beads made for multi purpose things.. plants, dirt, arts and crafts, etc. Sometimes they like to creep past 70%, but that could be related to my quantity of beads too. I'm still working out a spec for my setup.

The 5 dollar xikar cups on here.. i can make the same thing for about $.03
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#25 Posted:
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"Chemically, the HF beads and KL beads are the same."

And you've actually done the lab tests of the materials to verify this claim?

Please provide copies of your lab analysis of the chemical breakdown of the two products. Include peer review reports.

Thx.
njstone Offline
#26 Posted:
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I use the so-called "expensive crap," and I absolutely love it. It works so much better than everything else I've tried that it's not even funny. Not only to they hold a steady rH (64-66%) in my cheap Wally World tupperware bins, but they require the addition of water about 1/3 as often as the other stuff I've used (including Humicare "beads," kitty litter, and other cheaper beads). I use the 65% beads in the nylon bags.

And in the long-run, it's NOT expensive! How much have you spent on the cigars currently in your house? How much is it worth to you to maintain them in good condition? You buy the good stuff once in your life, and you're done--good to go.

Even if you have a huge collection in half a dozen bins, it's a moderate initial investment then about $3/year for distilled water.
JohnE1000 Offline
#27 Posted:
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This issue is polarizing people across the web. Many people claim they work just fine, and many people are not beleivers.

I have two identical desktop humidors currently empty. I can obtain some of the Cat stuff. I will do the test, and I will report back.
dkeage Offline
#28 Posted:
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RE #22, Damn Bryan.....this thread just reminded me to buy some for the tupperdore I had to set up at work to hold all the stuff I bought lately......To think, I coulda just e-mailed you!!!



LOL
JohnE1000 Offline
#29 Posted:
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Stickbuild: EMS
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#30 Posted:
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^
John, the KL will sorta work in some climates, that's a big reason some people think they are the same. In a moister climate, it seems to do "ok", not great, just ok. In dryer climates, or ones prone to frequent, rapid, drastic humidity changes, ehhh, not so much. The beads, they work everywhere.

Notice how the OP claims how well the KL works when kept in a basement that has a de-humidifier running to keep the basement at 65%RH. Well, no **** they appear to work, you could leave the cigars out at that ambient RH...
JohnE1000 Offline
#31 Posted:
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^ That was my original thought. Not all methods or devices work equally in different environments.

The 65% beads worked great for me in the summer, but not in winter. The standard humidifier cartridge
worked great in winter, but not summer.
Mr. Jones Offline
#32 Posted:
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Slimboli, I understand your logic but..............

You live in California w/ no humidity(or hardly any) in the summer.

People in the South, mid Atlantic, mid West, and North East have TONS of humidity especially in their basements(where most cooledors are stored) during the Summer.

I have found the "PUUURRRR-fect" solution to my cooledor problems of over humidity in the summer is Kitty Litter Beads.

I keep one mesh 1 lb bag of cat pearls and one 1 lb of either 60% or 65% of expensive H$$rtf$lt beads in my 45qt Rubbermaid(no plastic odor)cooledors and every thing is "Fine & Dandy".

"One Way Slim Logic"(j/k) may work out west but not in the areas I mentioned above.
Mr. Jones Offline
#33 Posted:
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#32 is for #16 ^^^^^
asb2106 Offline
#34 Posted:
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Maybe my beads arent "cheap" beads then..

I know I am not in a humid area, my rH% outside the humi is 20-25% during the winter (heater) and 60%+ during the summer (summers easy to keep the stogies).

I just had to remove a good portion of my beads cause my humi is creeping above 70 from time to time.. I have a few small containers of the beads, along with 2 small bowls full on the bottom, I also have a very large humi..

pics - Im sure some of you have seen these.

The cheap dirt/crafts beads do a great job in this box

http://picasaweb.google.com/ASB2106/Cigars?feat=directlink
Stickbuild Offline
#35 Posted:
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package will be off to JOHNE1000.

John, If you can tell me what movie the "cats & dogs moving in together" line was from on my origional post I'll throw in a WOAM.....anybody can google it, only answer if you know.
Stickbuild Offline
#36 Posted:
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^34.

He had enough beads for like 450,000 cigars. I think I saw a thunderstorm on the second shelf one evening.

The Tsunami on the top shelf devistated the region for months.
Stickbuild Offline
#37 Posted:
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^#28.

d...drop me a line any time. If you need beads I have like 15 lbs.
JohnE1000 Offline
#38 Posted:
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#35
Bryan, unfortunately for me I don't know.

Now, I have to go cry WOAAAM
Stickbuild Offline
#39 Posted:
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Straight up guy, what a surprise......this guys this guys box my be a tad heavier.
JohnE1000 Offline
#40 Posted:
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^ Thank you very much Bryan

Can you tell us where is this line from?
Stickbuild Offline
#41 Posted:
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Ghostbusters 1984

Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
JohnE1000 Offline
#42 Posted:
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^ classic
dkeage Offline
#43 Posted:
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RE #37, Thanks Bryan, I was just busting.....I actually DID order some more today, though!
GreenWolf70 Offline
#44 Posted:
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Wow, how trite. Search is your friend. All those arguments were made before and were wrong.

KL=HF
njstone Offline
#45 Posted:
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I don't know what to tell you, man. I have no problem with KL beads on principle, all joke aside. But for me they just didn't work well, especially during the summer (humidity just kept going up). Since switching to HF I've not had a problem.

But I say if you use the cheap ones and they work great for you, SCORE! If not, go for the good stuff (worth it, imvho).
Stickbuild Offline
#46 Posted:
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I use the knock off beads, they hold steady as a rock. i have used HF beads as well, for my set up i like the results of the knock offs.

I have the MSDS of the beads i use and they are not the same thing as cat litter,sorry.

In the end no body cares if u use cat liter in your humi to save yourself $10. I personally do not care to buy the hard sell to switch. Ive tried alot over the years and im happy with current conditions.no litter for me
GreenWolf70 Offline
#47 Posted:
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^ so you are using my repackaged KL?
asb2106 Offline
#48 Posted:
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they are very different from Kitty Litter, and whoever is getting that pack from Stick is one lucky guy. I seen whats going in that package, and there are some quality smokes, enjoy :)
GreenWolf70 Offline
#49 Posted:
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Its amazing what a name change will do. Its how Congress works...when a bill is getting a lot of opposition, just change the name...people will attribute magical powers to the same stuff. Truly amazing....its why there is so much money in advertising.
Stickbuild Offline
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