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opelmanta1900 Offline
#51 Posted:
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All of you are right... but at the same time, wrong, because everything that's said here is wrong...

When I refer to b&m beauties, I'm not talking about the original run beauties...

bart, you're right about those, they ran out long ago but still pop up at b&m's here and there (apparently more there than here cuz I've only heard, never seen)... I've always wondered how they are/were...

And jeremy, you're right... bart's point does support victor's...

and victor, you play rugby...

What I was referring to are essentially the second run of the beauties... no glass tube, still have the cedar sleeve... still in production (or were until a year ago or so)... what cbid sells/was selling at least never had the cedar sleeve...

I'm ashamed - repeat, ashamed - that I know so much about gurkha... I really did support them heavily at one point... what a nood...
Hillbillyjosh770 Offline
#52 Posted:
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So there is no telling what I'm smoking when I buy a super premium off cbid is what y'all are saying?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#53 Posted:
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cbid doesn't sell super premiums is what we all are saying...
cacman Offline
#54 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
cbid doesn't sell super premiums is what we all are saying...

Now that's not true. I've read they will sell Opus X's at a loss just to keep up with demand.
DBIII Offline
#55 Posted:
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^^^banned!
cacman Offline
#56 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
No cigar manufacturer is going to make internet only lots, and B&M only lots... and the physical effort of re-labeling a cigar is ridiculous when you consider the scale these companies work at.

Don't believe that's entirely true either. A number of manufacturers make cigars for B&M's only. Some are specially blended for the B&M and retain the original brand name and label ( ie Tatueje Cohetes, Illusione Rex, Ortega Oktoberfest, etc.). And others (like Brickhouse, Tatuaje, L'Atelier, and others) have offered B&M only cigars that are not available on the internet and are offered to promote B&M sales and small business. Not to mention that some B&M's arrange private labeling of their "house" cigars from the major manufacturers with little or no change to the blend, and could often be 2nds. The folks labeling the cigars are paid pennies compared to American workers and there's probably little cost in asking them to label the same cigar with a different band. IMHO it's the same scenario as when you buy the house brand from the grocery store. You know it's coming from somewhere else, and it's usually not the same quality as a major brand.

No personal experience with the La Perla, Ghost or Beauties, although I have heard the Camacho Triple Maduro is much different after the band change. But I would concur with the Padron statement by Victor (#22). Tobacco is an organic product and believe there will be differences due to environment, soil, weather and other conditions from year-to-year.
delta1 Offline
#57 Posted:
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So true about the environmental variations that would affect the tobacco leaves selected for a cigar/blend from year to year. It's amazing that some lines remain so consistent over the years.

I have personally experienced what opelmanta described: a cigar sold here that was different than it's counterpart sold at a B & M. I had a Graycliff Crystal (white label) that I bought here, and it was very good. I heard that internet Graycliffs are not the same, and may not even be rolled in the Bahamas, like the "factory/hotel" produced ones. The label did not have "Bahamas" on it, though some of the Graycliff Crystals and Double Espressos I got from here since do say "Bahamas" on the label.

I went to the local B and M and checked out the Graycliff Crystals there. The one that was closest in size also was different, it had a shaggy foot. The label said "Bahamas." I bought one, for about three times the price of the internet version. It tasted different, and to me the B & M cigar was better. But not three times the money better.
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#58 Posted:
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illinichaser wrote:
You're actually supporting Victor here, and I think Victor is right. You may be able to buy old inventory of the Gurkha, or la perla, while there is a very different cigar being sold now ( new inventory) that CI/CBID hold the rights on and hold the rights on the label.

But no way are cigar manufactures maintaining 2 separate supply chains with 2 different cigars under the same label. That would be impossible to manage.



With the relationship we have with Gurkha, why would we risk that by doing something they don't approve of? And how do you know the B&M Gurkha Beauty isn't OLD from the original release? Just like the La Perlas....

Sheesh....you guys need to come to CigarFest to see what kind of relationship we have with the manufacturers. They wouldn't bother with us if we diminished their brands/cigars.

Why do you think we removed some cigars from this site? Because the manufacturers asked for it! Demanded it with Minimum Advertised Pricing (MAP) restrictions. If we were gonna tinkle on their twinkies, we wouldn't have bothered. But then, they would have stopped selling us product.

Do you really believe that any single Brick and Mortar store would sell more product than we would? I'll answer that...its no, they don't. So they could have, again, stockpiled cigars that they thought would be huge sellers and are now selling them, after that first (or second, or third) release is gone everywhere else.

Come on guys....think about it. What is to be gained by CI/CBid in doing something that isn't accepted/approved by the manufacturers?

Tiger - sorry.....I have no idea why I thought it was you. My only excuse is this damned time change messing with my internal clock. Sincere apologies.

Now Jade.... that's another story entirely! :)
DrafterX Offline
#59 Posted:
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man, that Porksoda guy sure stirred up some crap this time.... better watch that guy Trish.... Mellow
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#60 Posted:
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One of my co-workers just said that my reading these forums doesn't bode well for them....

LOL kids!
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#61 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
cbid doesn't sell super premiums is what we all are saying...



Most Super Premiums have established MAP restrictions which forces us to keep them off the site.
denali7432 Offline
#62 Posted:
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wait..wait a cotton picking minute here now..ve always had my suspicions....and my ideas..but after reading this thread im starting to thinks that my thoughts are correct and not a conspiracy theory..but ive come to the conclusions and bare with me now..that im now positively 75% sure that...cbid is in some how and some way affiliated with CI!!!
there i have let it out of the bag..

















































Sarcasm
opelmanta1900 Offline
#63 Posted:
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
With the relationship we have with Gurkha, why would we risk that by doing something they don't approve of? And how do you know the B&M Gurkha Beauty isn't OLD from the original release? Just like the La Perlas....


I certainly wasn't insinuating cbid did anything gurkha didn't approve of... I can't imagine there's anything in the world kaizad wouldn't let you do with his company name, for a price...

The beauty at the b&m is not the same as the original release.... again, OR has cedar sleeve plus glass tube... second release has no glass tube and a cedar sleeve... cbid release has no glass tube and no cedar sleeve...

3 different incarnations of the beauty, with the poorest quality one (stuffed with pieces of leaf instead of whole leaf, lots of stems, obviously cheaper tobacco) being sold here...

I smoked a ton of them... the second runs were widely available at the same time the cbid runs were being sold...

I've also smoked a second run... it wasn't great, but definitely better than the ones you could get for a buck here... but it definitely didn't cost just a buck...

ultimately, it seems like you get what you pay for... if you pay $1 on cbid, you're likely not getting the same thing you would get for $8+ at a b&m...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#64 Posted:
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
Most Super Premiums have established MAP restrictions which forces us to keep them off the site.


except for the opus x you routinely sell at a great financial loss... Herfing

never forget trish... deep down, we love you dearly...
illinichaser Offline
#65 Posted:
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
With the relationship we have with Gurkha, why would we risk that by doing something they don't approve of? And how do you know the B&M Gurkha Beauty isn't OLD from the original release? Just like the La Perlas....

Sheesh....you guys need to come to CigarFest to see what kind of relationship we have with the manufacturers. They wouldn't bother with us if we diminished their brands/cigars.

Why do you think we removed some cigars from this site? Because the manufacturers asked for it! Demanded it with Minimum Advertised Pricing (MAP) restrictions. If we were gonna tinkle on their twinkies, we wouldn't have bothered. But then, they would have stopped selling us product.

Do you really believe that any single Brick and Mortar store would sell more product than we would? I'll answer that...its no, they don't. So they could have, again, stockpiled cigars that they thought would be huge sellers and are now selling them, after that first (or second, or third) release is gone everywhere else.

Come on guys....think about it. What is to be gained by CI/CBid in doing something that isn't accepted/approved by the manufacturers?

Tiger - sorry.....I have no idea why I thought it was you. My only excuse is this damned time change messing with my internal clock. Sincere apologies.

Now Jade.... that's another story entirely! :)


This is exactly what I was trying to say. The "different" were a prior release. In no way do I think CBID is trying to compete with cigar manufacturers or trying to sell a brands label without their knowledge/approval. In stead they are "partnering" with the manufacturers to create/sale a product.
BuckyB93 Offline
#66 Posted:
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
You know, this is always touted as THE cigar that gets rebanded by us. But here's how it works:

The original La Perla hit the cigar world like a rocket! Everyone loved them and bought them up. With increased production, costs needed to be reviewed and that cute little silk footband was expensive - not just to produce but the added manpower to put it on the cigar. So when that was removed, folks immediately said it was reblended. Sales may have dropped off slightly or maybe not, I'm not certain. But the brand is now slightly diminished.

Now add into the mix this is a boutique brand so the tobacco is often-times limited in quantity. With that ealier increased production, that delicious wrapper is gone. So they go out to purchase more just like it but alas there is none to be found. And the brand loses much of its luster.

As all of you know, tobacco taste changes based on environmental conditions during its growth. When that specific wrapper was gone, they tried other wrapper from a different year. It tasted similar but not exactly the same. So no....the blend did NOT change but the wrapper leaf DID change.


Think about it....if that brand was still a HUGE money maker for the manufacturer, why would they sell it? Answer: They wouldn't.

To suggest that we reband inferior cigars is irresponsible at best and libilous at worst.

So, why is it that those cigar stores have the 'original' cigars? Simple - they stored them away or just didn't sell them. There are a lot of savvy cigar store owners out there. They may have put them away from their stock, purchased it from individuals who had them stored from their own stock, etc.

I'm not upset with you Tiger, I just can't believe that you think so little of this company as to suggest we do this.

Whatever, you'll believe what you want and its easiest to think that the giant company is evil. That for some reason we took this superb cigar and junked it up. I guess that makes sense in some idiotic way.

I know that many of you are thinking that I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm just saying this because I work for this company. But how many of you have spent the past 13 years doing nothing but learning about and discussing cigars? So while you don't have to consider me an expert, you do have to acknowledge that I may know something of what I speak. And I've never BS'd you. When we've been at fault, I've acknowledged it.

So....do with this information what you wish. I know that many of you will disregard it because its contrary to what you 'know'. Again, whatever. I certainly can't force you to understand it.


The La Perlas were good smokes but I got soured on them back around 2005 when they tried to pass off dyed maduro wrappers. I personally threw out a couple 5 packs that had artificially enhanced wrappers. I wonder if that coincides with the wrapper change that you mentioned.

http://cigarbids.com/Forum/c/posts/52172/Perla-Habana-Maduro-Dyed

http://cigarbids.com/Forum/c/posts/42752/La-Perla-Habana-Maduro

http://cigarbids.com/Forum/c/posts/43479/StevenRCbid-and-the-La-Peral-story

Threads such as these can be found on other forums in and about the same time frame.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#67 Posted:
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wow... stever seems like he was a bit of a ******...
DrafterX Offline
#68 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
wow... stever seems like he was a bit of a ******...



he turned me into a newt.... Sad
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#69 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
wow... stever seems like he was a bit of a ******...


Nah. Steve is actually a really cool guy, I think his hair gel just hardened a bit too much that day.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#70 Posted:
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Nah. Steve is actually a really cool guy, I think his hair gel just hardened a bit too much that day.


ok,... I wasn't around when he was and haven't seen any of his other posts... that one thread he just came off as a bit arrogant and rude... everyone has bad days though...
Buckwheat Offline
#71 Posted:
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Blah, blah, blah... Cigars are made from seasonal crop(s) that change from year to year. I believe that this is the primary reason that a cigar will taste different from year to year. The cigar companies try to keep the taste as close as possible from year to year but I believe that sometimes they have no option but to release a slightly different tasting cigars if the tobaccos in the blend just aren't available or they taste different from previous years. Think about it. That being said I do know that there are "fakes" out there that are being sold. I doubt that any are sold here. Just not worth CI taking the risk of getting a bad rap over selling "fakes"
victor809 Offline
#72 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
ok,... I wasn't around when he was and haven't seen any of his other posts... that one thread he just came off as a bit arrogant and rude... everyone has bad days though...


StevR was definitely no Trish.

DrafterX Offline
#73 Posted:
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Buckwheat wrote:
Blah, blah, blah... Cigars are made from seasonal crop(s) that change from year to year. I believe that this is the primary reason that a cigar will taste different from year to year.



ThumpUp
Philly Jack Offline
#74 Posted:
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crgcpro wrote:
Victor: He's right on this. There were only 50k Gurkha Beauties ever made and they sold out many years ago. CI/CBID owns the label and puts it on something but it isn't the Gurkha Beauty. I still see a few of the "real" Beauties in the glass tubes in some B&M's going for around $30/each. The ones sold here are at best a Victor Sinclair 2nd and that's being generous!

and I got it right from Graycliff that you own some of there bands also or are you calling the Graycliff rep a lair. Trish does CI reproduce cigars with other manufactures names on the label yes or no it's that easy.
victor809 Offline
#75 Posted:
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Philly Jack wrote:
and I got it right from Graycliff that you own some of there bands also or are you calling the Graycliff rep a lair. Trish does CI reproduce cigars with other manufactures names on the label yes or no it's that easy.


I'm sure this will end well.....


Free Philly Jack!!!

(just thought I'd get a jump on things...) :)
denali7432 Offline
#76 Posted:
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there is no way in hell cbid or ci would risk their business and reputation by putting a cigar band on a cigar that is not it, regardless how we feel about gurkha cigars on here i do love the beautys and the titans, but cbid and ci would never put those bands on a cigar that was not what the band says it is..i think some guys here are taking this thread to far and to the point its begining to take on the faction of a witch hunt..if you guys believe what you are saying then fine, great, go, leave, that will leave more stuff for me to buy and maybe even stop seeing so many prices being driven higher then the retail site..
Philly Jack Offline
#77 Posted:
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Like Dave used to say if you can only find them here there is a reason. Free Dave, I can easily move my business to a competitor I may not spend millions here but I spend enough to make a stink high enough here all they have to do is pull up my spending history. You can find me OLH if I go missing.
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#78 Posted:
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Philly Jack wrote:
and I got it right from Graycliff that you own some of there bands also or are you calling the Graycliff rep a lair. Trish does CI reproduce cigars with other manufactures names on the label yes or no it's that easy.



We pay a fee to use their name. Its called a licensing fee, kinda like the fee you pay to be able to put your pro sports teams' names on t-shirts, jerseys, etc. So no, he's not a liar. But Graycliff is aware of it as they rake in the money. Nothing underhanded and no one has ever said that these cigars are from the Bahamas. We'll make mention of their name in the marketing information but again, nothing underhanded there.

You may not like how 95% of the products in the world are marketed, but that doesn't make it wrong. There's a lot of things I don't like: Pistashio ice cream, high credit card interest rates, kids mouthing off to their parents. But most of it I can't fix. So, like the pistashio ice cream thing, I just don't buy it. if you don't like the Graycliff cigars we sell, don't buy them.

Easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.

But I gotta say Wow....lots of anger there Philly Jack. Unless your stock in Graycliff tanked after we licensed their name, I don't see where it comes from.
Philly Jack Offline
#79 Posted:
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denali7432 wrote:
there is no way in hell cbid or ci would risk their business and reputation by putting a cigar band on a cigar that is not it, regardless how we feel about gurkha cigars on here i do love the beautys and the titans, but cbid and ci would never put those bands on a cigar that was not what the band says it is..i think some guys here are taking this thread to far and to the point its begining to take on the faction of a witch hunt..if you guys believe what you are saying then fine, great, go, leave, that will leave more stuff for me to buy and maybe even stop seeing so many prices being driven higher then the retail site..

This has been played out time over time for years here. Graycliff' that come in packs marked made in Honduras or beautys that come in sizes that were never made before or glass tubes and you can't find anything about these cigars on the MANUFACTURES web site ???? Cigars despite their brothers and sisters reputation for being great cigars never seem to live up to the others in their families and have burn and construction issues all the time...Think about it!!!
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#80 Posted:
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Philly Jack wrote:
Like Dave used to say if you can only find them here there is a reason. Free Dave, I can easily move my business to a competitor I may not spend millions here but I spend enough to make a stink high enough here all they have to do is pull up my spending history. You can find me OLH if I go missing.



Seriously? Someone needs a nap...
victor809 Offline
#81 Posted:
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I'm just gonna throw this out there....

But the more of Trish's time you guys waste responding to these silly threads about Cbid having a basement of child-labor rollers making knock offs of every brand out there, the LESS time she has to unban TW And everyone else who's been disappeared over the years.

Do you know how much effort it takes to unban someone? It's like... probably.... meetings. and buttons... and memos... and stuff. I'm sure it takes a long time, since it hasn't happened yet.
denali7432 Offline
#82 Posted:
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Posts: 561
god now i got a craving for pistachio ice cream..thanx alot..lol


serious note though, i love pistachio ice cream, need to make a cigar like that
Philly Jack Offline
#83 Posted:
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
We pay a fee to use their name. Its called a licensing fee, kinda like the fee you pay to be able to put your pro sports teams' names on t-shirts, jerseys, etc. So no, he's not a liar. But Graycliff is aware of it as they rake in the money. Nothing underhanded and no one has ever said that these cigars are from the Bahamas. We'll make mention of their name in the marketing information but again, nothing underhanded there.

You may not like how 95% of the products in the world are marketed, but that doesn't make it wrong. There's a lot of things I don't like: Pistashio ice cream, high credit card interest rates, kids mouthing off to their parents. But most of it I can't fix. So, like the pistashio ice cream thing, I just don't buy it. if you don't like the Graycliff cigars we sell, don't buy them.

Easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.

But I gotta say Wow....lots of anger there Philly Jack. Unless your stock in Graycliff tanked after we licensed their name, I don't see where it comes from.

If you do check the label it does say Bahamas and that was what sent me on that quest years ago. I have been to the Graycliff Hotel very nice great cigars right off the rolling table. And thank you for your frankness and honesty.
TIGERCDW Offline
#84 Posted:
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denali7432 wrote:
god now i got a craving for pistachio ice cream..thanx alot..lol


serious note though, i love pistachio ice cream, need to make a cigar like that



Do you want it labled as a Gurkha or a Graycliff.

TIGER
denali7432 Offline
#85 Posted:
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TIGERCDW wrote:
Do you want it labled as a Gurkha or a Graycliff.

TIGER


lol, that aint right man
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#86 Posted:
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Philly Jack wrote:
If you do check the label it does say Bahamas and that was what sent me on that quest years ago. I have been to the Graycliff Hotel very nice great cigars right off the rolling table. And thank you for your frankness and honesty.



If I'm not mistaken, the Graycliff Hotel is still in the Bahamas, even though they license their product to us. The boxes state their country of origin. That's what you have to look at.

Graycliff cigars originated in the Bahamas and are still made their....so to say Graycliff of the Bahamas is correct. The box then says Honduras or Dominican Republic or wherever.

By the way, if their sales representative doesn't understand the licensing agreement and how that helps to pay his salary, they have more problems than us using their name on cigars....
robertsccr5 Offline
#87 Posted:
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Genuine question, why aren't the beauty in glass tubes sold here?
denali7432 Offline
#88 Posted:
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not completely off topic here, but i just had a graycliff double expresso 2 weeks that i have had in the humi for 3 years now..omg it was heaven..i still remember the great deal i scored on 15 of them here on a free fall..
dharbolt Offline
#89 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
he turned me into a newt.... Sad



Glad to see you got better
dstieger Offline
#90 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I'm sure this will end well.....
Free Philly Jack!!!


That's one parade I that's going to have to pass me by.....



Free Sven!


Trish, are you sorry you jumped into this thread yet?

Legacy Offline
#91 Posted:
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Hi Folks,

Interesting thread - nice to see so much participation.

Buckwheat wrote:
... Cigars are made from seasonal crop(s) that change from year to year. I believe that this is the primary reason that a cigar will taste different from year to year. The cigar companies try to keep the taste as close as possible from year to year but I believe that sometimes they have no option but to release a slightly different tasting cigars if the tobaccos in the blend just aren't available or they taste different from previous years...


Start with the manufacture and forget about the brand(s) for a moment.

To get two cigars that taste the same is a near miracle - you need;
Same tobacco types
- from the same field (and taste can vary even in the same field).
- that taste the same (and look the same for wrappers).
Same fermentation
- identical methods that ensure each pylon will be the same as the one before it when finished.

Even if the tobacco is the same the blend, bunch and roll must be nearly identical.

Even you, the smoker is a wild card (I could add the weather too). Smoked faster than before? Less retrohale?


Wines? Every vintage has some taste variance even though their processes are more general than those that produce a cigar (a handmade one off). Of course I personally love Chateau Petrus 1946, because Solange le Magnifique (ah - those eyes!), personally stomped the grapes with her divine and delicate toes!

Entrenched brands have the wherewithal to purchase leaf supply into the future and to ensure consistency in the manufacturing processes (above). This is their strength. Their weakness is that they are bound to a specific taste (see Macanudo, Punch, etc.) and most have now expanded their marques. It's not a coincidence that the taste of these entrenched marques are less adventurous.

No cigar manufacturer throws out a finished cigar (unless it's really bad). Finished cigars are their currency. Most manufacturers are now hired guns, available to make cigars according to need and purse, and many of their customers are offered those finished cigars that haven't found a home (orphans). This is one of the reasons that bands are put on just before packaging. Most of these cigars (contracted or orphans) end up with a label, fancy or otherwise, intended to seduce smokers. Not all of these cigars are bad, many are good or better, but don't expect them to be paragons of consistency from year to year - let alone batch to batch and even box to box.

When you depend on a brand for consistency, other than those most established (as above), you have hope against the truth of the difficulty in repeating that performance. Even though the music is the same the instruments change. If a cigar received a 92 from Cigar Aficionado, it's probably a one off tasting, hard to repeat over time. I have other reasons for putting little faith in these ratings - but that can wait for another time.

A greater amount of consistency may (may) be found by smoking cigars made by the same manufacturer. If you like A.J. Fernandez (for example) it's likely that you like his leaf availability and processes and thus you may find a consistency in satisfaction purchasing cigars that he has made.

Sorry to be so long but there's a wealth of possibilities in this thread.

Regards,

Pete





opelmanta1900 Offline
#92 Posted:
Joined: 01-10-2012
Posts: 13,954
robertsccr5 wrote:
Genuine question, why aren't the beauty in glass tubes sold here?


same reason the ghost, seduction, and cellar reserve were only sold here for a week and then no more... all the gurkha bashing on this forum has pretty much guaranteed that here they will only sell for what they deserve to sell for, not what k han wants...
KingoftheCove Offline
#93 Posted:
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denali7432 wrote:
god now i got a craving for pistachio ice cream..thanx alot..lol


serious note though, i love pistachio ice cream, need to make a cigar like that

me too!!! me too!!!

Bonus part??!!......no one else in the family does!...... bada-bing!.........all mine......
yeah!.......a candella with Pistachio notes!
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Ok - back to our regularly scheduled program.

TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#94 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
That's one parade I that's going to have to pass me by.....



Free Sven!


Trish, are you sorry you jumped into this thread yet?




I'm sorry so many people are conspiracy theorists. I guess I'm puzzled why so many people believe the worst of us. You all claim we have great customer service, great deals, etc. but whenever you get a chance to crap in our house, you take it. That is really puzzling to me.

Oh and one other point that I missed from an earlier post....you know why so many brands you find here aren't on the manufacturers' websites? Because they're exclusive to us. The manufacturer doesn't show it because their site shows potential customers/distributors the products they can purchase from THEM. If a product is exclusive to CI only CI or one of its partner companies, can sell it. I would think that would be obvious.

crgcpro Offline
#95 Posted:
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Maybe Acid will make a Pistachio flavor puke bomb for you guys LOL.
Porksoda Offline
#96 Posted:
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
We pay a fee to use their name. Its called a licensing fee, kinda like the fee you pay to be able to put your pro sports teams' names on t-shirts, jerseys, etc. So no, he's not a liar. But Graycliff is aware of it as they rake in the money. Nothing underhanded and no one has ever said that these cigars are from the Bahamas. We'll make mention of their name in the marketing information but again, nothing underhanded there.

You may not like how 95% of the products in the world are marketed, but that doesn't make it wrong. There's a lot of things I don't like: Pistashio ice cream, high credit card interest rates, kids mouthing off to their parents. But most of it I can't fix. So, like the pistashio ice cream thing, I just don't buy it. if you don't like the Graycliff cigars we sell, don't buy them.

Easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.

But I gotta say Wow....lots of anger there Philly Jack. Unless your stock in Graycliff tanked after we licensed their name, I don't see where it comes from.






Ok so you pay a licensing fee to use their name, fine. But who makes the cigars? Are they made in another factory for you, then the "licenced " name added or are they made by Graycliff?
victor809 Offline
#97 Posted:
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
I guess I'm puzzled why so many people believe the worst of us. You all claim we have great customer service, great deals, etc. but whenever you get a chance to crap in our house, you take it. That is really puzzling to me.



Dammit... now you guys have gone and ticked Trish off.

How the he## are we supposed to get people unbanneded when Trish is ticked off?
KingoftheCove Offline
#98 Posted:
Joined: 10-08-2011
Posts: 7,633
crgcpro wrote:
Maybe Acid will make a Pistachio flavor puke bomb for you guys LOL.

No!!
I want a sophisticated candella that evokes pistachios naturally dang it.......................maybe I'll just smoke an Illusione candela and eat pistachio ice cream at the same time
Legacy Offline
#99 Posted:
Joined: 06-17-2013
Posts: 43
Hi Trish,

A couple of points...

TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
With the relationship we have with Gurkha, why would we risk that by doing something they don't approve of? And how do you know the B&M Gurkha Beauty isn't OLD from the original release? Just like the La Perlas....

Sheesh....you guys need to come to CigarFest to see what kind of relationship we have with the manufacturers. They wouldn't bother with us if we diminished their brands/cigars.

Anyone doubting this statement obviously lacks historical perspective in this industry (and most others).

TrishS@CigarBid wrote:

So they could have, again, stockpiled cigars that they thought would be huge sellers and are now selling them, after that first (or second, or third) release is gone everywhere else.


I've not know of any retailer (B&M) to stockpile cigars on speculation - ever. They, like CBid/CI, are in the business of making money. Did some hold cigars for themselves or favorite customers (especially in the boom)? Sure, but I've know hundreds of retailers and not a one ever 'speculated' on cigars. In fact - most like a proven track record of sales before they order and they love nothing more than selling out. Chances are that these cigars just didn't sell and they're noticed by those to whom it has interest.

General Note:
As far as cigars being different because they're packaged differently? Well they are different - at least the packaging is. If you're judging the differences based on packaging you're lacking evidence. Anyone posting here should be able to tell the difference between sticks beyond the package.

Regards,

Pete
Philly Jack Offline
#100 Posted:
Joined: 08-31-2012
Posts: 1,791
crgcpro wrote:
Maybe Acid will make a Pistachio flavor puke bomb for you guys LOL.

I'll text Dave Lafferty and ask they can put it in the Java line.
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