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In a lot of cases, we're not able to disclose that information. But when you get the cigars, you can make a good, educated guess as to the manufacturer based on where it was made (which is on the box).

Lucky bastid, mine said "China".

ooohh that one's a rare and elusive blend!!!!

Only if it's the maduros.

well this must be one of those barber poll cigars, its got all kinds of colors..black, brown, beige, must have some candela in it as well cause i see some green spots..i must have a rare boutique here

Weren't you looking for a cigar with a nutty flavor?

indeed i was,..pistachio..no thanx to trish..lol cigar bomb someone with pistachio ice cream..maybe have about 100 lbs of it delivered to trish's desk

agree with you there, for example some of my favorite rollers are perdomo, don P, and aj, but not everything they make is worth my money..half to me makes me wonder what they were thinking, but they dont make cigars just for me, they make it for the world to enjoy so not everything has to appeal to me, so if it doesnt do i yell hey thats fake or wrong or misrepresented and cant be a perdomo, or aj, or don P product cause i love their line and since im not likeing this is must be a fake label or mislabeled? hell no cmon on man..get over it and move on..i cant believe we are waising bandwidth, and this ladies time on this..

lol thanx, although ive been here 5 years

http://www.cigarbid.com/...ff-1966-Double-Espresso


Sorry, Trish.....I thought it was funny....maybe not entirely relevant.....but funny......I knew that pj character looked familiar lol

This is what I dont get. Because the actual manufacturers don't always make gems, it's ok for someone else to get sticks made somewhere else and stick a manufacturers label on it. What? I dont care if it's under license, they are not the cigars they are supposed to be. This isnt a game, this is my money we're talking about. If I buy cigar X, I expect it to at least be made under the supervision of brand X. Not some house blend with a "licenced" label.

Good find.

Different Philly Jack tho? Did he get banneded once before?

Free Phillyjack and Free Philly Jack!

Licensing is tricky. I may come off as somewhat cavalier about the whole thing, but it's an interesting balance.

Lets say for pretend, you're greycliff... you've got a large amount of goodwill associated with your name. That means 2 things, 1- licensing your name is worth a good amount of $, and 2 - You have to be concerned about anything which may diminish the value of your name.

So, dstieger is svedish Match. He wants to license your name to produce a line of cigars... He has to pay you a decent amount of $$ (which means he's likely going to want to put out a decent quality product so that it sells and he makes money back); AND he's got to convince you that he isn't going to do any lasting damage to your name. I'm guessing that in these contracts there is some sort of approval process which has to occur...perhaps they have to sample to the line before releasing it for sale or something like that. I don't know, and none of us will know those details.

But my point is, I have trouble believing that all quality control is gone....

I think one of Sven's responses really nailed it. The Brand Rep doesn't have to know about the product because its not in their portfolio to sell to individual B&M stores. He mentions the licensing agreement then too.

But every few months this type of discussion rears its head. And we're accused of selling 'knock-offs.'

SIGH

Bottom line is that I can type til my fingers fall off. Those who think we're lying thieves will continue to do so. Those who trust us will continue to do so. All I can hope is that those who aren't sure which way to go will read this thread and make their own decision.

I've never intentionally said anything I knew to be wrong. That's how I roll.


Is this the new 500 thread?????

PhillyJack lost his login info and they couldn't help him with it so he had to start all over again with Philly Jack. Same guy.

Ok I don' t post much here on these kinds of discussions, but here is my 2 cents. Unless I am very mistaken I don't see manufacturers like Padron or Fuente licensing their cigars to be re banded, but these two are also powerhouses and do not have too. Companys like Graycliff and Gurhka are not even in the same league as these guys so they do what they have too to make a profit and CI/C-bid can in turn make a truck load of cash doing what they do. Now if I were a cigar maker would I do this? No I would not, but thats just the way I feel and what I think is right.

I'm pretty sure every Graycliff or Gurhka Ive ever had came from here and they sucked, but thats my taste and others may enjoy them. But if CI/C-bid can keep making money this way then more power to them. Right or wrong its just my honest opinion.


And yes my paragraphs, sentence structure, etc are not that good. I tried.. blow me.

Isn't that his name???

You know, changing the name tag on his cubicle/door would be kind of funny, and April is just around the corner.

Ok, your accused of selling knock offs....sigh. Well if you have cigars made at a factory for you and then stick a "licenced " label on it, isn't it a knock off? It wasnt actually made by the original factory in any way shape or form, so how is it not a knock off?

I can't take credit for that one. I think AndyTV was the first to coin that phrase around here.

Simple solution, buy your cigars somewhere else. Take a look at that thompson guy looks like he only sells top quailty chit

I am not a fan of licensing. I have found in researching lawn equipment and appliance purchases that many companies license out their name. John Deere, Cub Cadet, Amana and Frigidaire come to mind. Most of us would see those names and assume they come from that factory and carry their reputation of quality. This is not always the case. I guess the license $$ overrides the possibility of tarnishing their reputation.
I am happy that Trish says if you have a question to call because if we are buying singles and fivers we don't have the box to see where they are made.

Trish, we see you lurking there.
go home, it's after 5! :)