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Suggestions for some tasty Maduros
AFalcon38 Offline
#1 Posted:
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Looking to expand my humidor. Looking for medium/strong, notes of chocolate/espresso/coffee as the primary flavor. Not big on pepper. Been rotating the following:

EIROA Maduro (triple maduro)
Torano Master Maduro
Camacho Triple Maduro
Rocky Patel Private Cellar
Padron thousand series (cant afford the others!)

Just ordered the San Lotano Maduro & Oval Maduro

Tried - not a fan of:
EP Carillo Maduro
Perdomo Habano Maduro

Suggestions?


Burner02 Offline
#2 Posted:
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AF 858 and WOAM. All you need to know.

Currently on AD?
themunmypaw Offline
#3 Posted:
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Nat sherman timeless was pretty good. Cheapish and not peppery.
Palama Offline
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Burner02 wrote:
AF 858 and WOAM. All you need to know.

Currently on AD?


+1
tamapatom Offline
#5 Posted:
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Ever try Padron cortico? Small but cheap....a lot of similarity to higher priced ones.
ZRX1200 Offline
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La Palina Black
Ortega dries D maduro
L'Atalier 44 maduro
Perdomo Small Batch maduro
Kristoff Maduro
Tatuaje La Casita criolla
99cobra2881 Offline
#7 Posted:
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Illusione 88 maduro
Sancho Panza double maduro
5Vegas Triple A
Arganese ML3 (these need a years rest then look out)


rrumba Offline
#8 Posted:
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The ml3 after a years rest surprised the schiyt out of me and how tasty there were and considered a yard gar when I got them but not anymore.

And what ever happened to the intro and the questions????

Dam FOGs are forgetful anymore
danmdevries Offline
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Fuente 858 and the Hemingway
Camacho Triple Maduro
Olivia Serie G perfecto

Those all with significant age behind em, dont care for fresh maduro, but after a year or preferably 3, they're good
Mandoman Offline
#10 Posted:
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Give La Gloria Cubana Serie R maduro a try. Also Saint Luis Rey G.
5 Vegas A has been mentioned, try their AAA.
shaun341 Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
La Palina Black
Ortega dries D maduro
L'Atalier 44 maduro
Perdomo Small Batch maduro
Kristoff Maduro
Tatuaje La Casita criolla


Those are some great ones but I would add pretty much any maduro LFD makes.
tamapatom Offline
#12 Posted:
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shaun341 wrote:
Those are some great ones but I would add pretty much any maduro LFD makes.
Agree!
delta1 Offline
#13 Posted:
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The EP Carillo Dark Rituals is a very good maduro smoke, and by the way, it is up for a special auction here at CBid at a great price.

You're welcome. Glad to help ...unless that is the Carillo maduro you didn't like....
cacman Offline
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Tatuaje Reserva
Abrignac Offline
#15 Posted:
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Some of the best maduros you'll ever smoke:
Any Arturo Fuente Maduro, especially any Arturo Fuente Añejo

Some more in no particular order.
CAO La Traviata Divino Maduro
Any Padron Anniversary Maduro
OR Camacho Triple maduros if you can find them
Illisione Holy Lance Maduro
Tatuaje Fausto
Oliva Serie V Melanio Maduro
Oliva Serie O Maduro
Oliva Cain "F"
Montecristo Media Noche
Ramon Bueso Genesis The Project

That should keep you busy for a while.
AFalcon38 Offline
#16 Posted:
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Thanks for all the input - looked up reviews on a few suggestions. Definitely got my work cut out for the next few months. First 3 going in the humidor:

1. San Lotano Maduro
2. AF 858 Maduro
3. Nat Sherman Timeless

I'll post thoughts after I give these a try. Thanks again.
Palama Offline
#17 Posted:
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Here's a link to an earlier discussion on maduro smokes:

http://www.cigarbid.com/...4777/Best-Maduro-Sticks

You might also pick up something from here:

http://www.cigarbid.com/...s-for-an-everyday-smoke

ZRX1200 Offline
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Anrinac, pretty sure that the Cain F is straight ligero, wrapper too.

Though ligero can be cured to be maduro, pretty sure it aint.
reckless Offline
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Maduro is a color, not a varietal or a process..... carry on
ZRX1200 Offline
#20 Posted:
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Wrong.

It's the way it's fermented (the temperature is different) but by all means feel free to be wrong.
ZRX1200 Offline
#21 Posted:
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How come maduros aren't all the same color reckless?
themunmypaw Offline
#22 Posted:
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Fight! Fight! Fight!
reckless Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
How come maduros aren't all the same color reckless?

"Maduro color is achieved from longer fermentation. Depends on the leaf though. Some leaves will get maduro in color even in a shorter cycle. In the end it's a grade of color.

Country of origin, soil or terroir will alter any seed varietal but it still goes back to the characteristics of the seed. Of course the priming of the leaf will change many things including the flavor strength and color.

I use all the different varietals for different reasons. Habano, Criollo, Corojo, Pelo de Oro, Sancti Spiritus, Broadleaf , etc. They all have unique flavors and characteristics."

-PJ

I dont need to argue...... Whistle
ZRX1200 Offline
#24 Posted:
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How long did it take your Google machine to come up with that nugget?

Reread the first paragraph nood.

If you see what you want then that's great.

You're still wrong.

Claro
Claro/Colorado
Colorado
Dark Colorado

All colors.
ZRX1200 Offline
#25 Posted:
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Again you didn't answer my question you even quoted.

Why are there so many "colors" of maduro reckless?

There's only one claro. One colorado. Etc.......
rrumba Offline
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Does this help????



Maduro continues to be a lose term in the cigar world. Widely used to describe any cigar with a dark colored wrapper, the term has been commonly misconstrued. It doesn’t help that some cigars being produced today call themselves maduro based on color alone. In this article we dove into the Cigar Press archives pulling photos from various factories in the Dominican Republic, Honduras, and Nicaragua representing the good, the bad, and the ugly…truth, on what a maduro wrapper traditionally is, and look at a couple assumptions that tend to go hand in hand with dark wrappers.

Maduro is a Spanish word that translates to mature, or ripe in English. The translation of the word maduro is a great window that helps us look into an explanation for what this wrapper is all about. When putting the translation into cigar perspective one of the first things that comes to mind is how tobacco is harvested when it reaches maturity. A tobacco plant can be categorized into three basic groups of leaves called primings. Volado is the lowest set of leaves closest to the ground (first harvested), Seco is the middle set of leaves (second harvested), and Ligero is the top set of leaves. Ligero tobacco receives the most sunlight, has the most flavor and body strengths on the plant, and is the last priming to be harvested. Since the leaves on this priming are on the plant the longest, they have more time to mature on the plant, or “ripen on the vine,” if you will. The ligero leaves will also physically be thicker with a dense texture, which is a crucial component in producing authentic maduro wrappers. In order to correctly produce maduro wrappers one must use the thickest and heartiest leaves on the plant in order for them to survive the tedious fermentation process.




Maduro isn’t a tobacco from one region or seed-variety (the broadleaf-seed maduro is perceived more often than not as one with the sweetest characteristic. Connecticut Broadleaf Maduro is probably the most recognized maduro in the market). Maduro is, more-or-less, a result of repeated fermentation that is seen through taste and texture in the smoke.
rrumba Offline
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To much to type or copy



blending-room/university/maduro/2015/06/22/
rrumba Offline
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Gonna have to go with Z on this one....
Palama Offline
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rrumba wrote:
Gonna have to go with Z on this one....


Was there any doubt?
99cobra2881 Offline
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rrumba wrote:
Gonna have to go camping with Z on this one....



Oh my

Not wheel



Abrignac Offline
#31 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Anrinac, pretty sure that the Cain F is straight ligero, wrapper too.

Though ligero can be cured to be maduro, pretty sure it aint.


I stand corrected. I should have said Cain Maduro. I got mixed up pulling boxes from the humidor. But. while we're at it, both are excellent smokes.


BTW, fix you're auto correct so it quits phugging up my name. :)
dstieger Offline
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Rrum, check out the forum rules.

And this http://www.cigarbid.com/...9164/Besto-Cheapo-Maduro
rrumba Offline
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Thanks for the heads up. didn't even notice the link address. corrected now.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Sorry Abrignac, polish thumbs are thick today.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Reckless your silent apology is accepted.

You are now another notch in my van.
rrumba Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Reckless your silent apology is accepted.

You are now another notch in my van.



Is that the same as your bed post??
rrumba Offline
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Didn't even need to go camping with him to accomplish the the act that shall remain unnamed....
reckless Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Again you didn't answer my question you even quoted.

Why are there so many "colors" of maduro reckless?

There's only one claro. One colorado. Etc.......


reckless wrote:
"Maduro color is achieved from longer fermentation. Depends on the leaf though. Some leaves will get maduro in color even in a shorter cycle. In the end it's a grade of color.

Country of origin, soil or terroir will alter any seed varietal but it still goes back to the characteristics of the seed. Of course the priming of the leaf will change many things including the flavor strength and color.

I use all the different varietals for different reasons. Habano, Criollo, Corojo, Pelo de Oro, Sancti Spiritus, Broadleaf , etc. They all have unique flavors and characteristics."

-PJ

I dont need to argue...... Whistle


-PJ stands for Pete Johnson.... you are calling him wrong not me Shame on you

Im not arguing Im just passing along information from a man that 90% of this forum worships (myself included) If you believe you have a better understanding of this color system than the Garcia family then feel free to carry on with that belief. Personally I am hard pressed to believe anything the comes out of the sliding door of a white van parked down by the river.... Anxious
TMCTLT Offline
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There are many ways in which " maduro wrapper leaf is aged, some farms start on where in the drying barn they're initially dried...the higher up in the barn the warmer the temps. But my understanding is the majority of color is obtained by aging in " huge bales " or Burros and the length of time to cure in these bales ( where the heat can get quite warm indeed ) will be very definitely determine how DARK in color it will get.
reckless Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
There are many ways in which " maduro wrapper leaf is aged, some farms start on where in the drying barn they're initially dried...the higher up in the barn the warmer the temps. But my understanding is the majority of color is obtained by aging in " huge bales " or Burros and the length of time to cure in these bales ( where the heat can get quite warm indeed ) will be very definitely determine how DARK in color it will get.


Paul you forgot the method in which some companies spray chemicals called Buthune on them to speed up the time it takes to achieve the color they are seeking.


In the end my only point was the OP was asking for specific flavor profiles (most of which he described are CBL but hey...) so I was just stating maduro is a color not a flavor... everyone have a GREAT weekend!!
TMCTLT Offline
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reckless wrote:
Paul you forgot the method in which some companies spray chemicals called Buthune on them to speed up the time it takes to achieve the color they are seeking.


In the end my only point was the OP was asking for specific flavor profiles (most of which he described are CBL but hey...) so I was just stating maduro is a color not a flavor... everyone have a GREAT weekend!!



No I didn't forget, and mine was an open comment on how it's done " naturally " .....have also heard stories of some " cooking or boiling " their leaves to achieve a darker color.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Quote for me where the GARCIA family said anything.

You're reading comprehension is poor.
reckless Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Quote for me where the GARCIA family said anything.

You're reading comprehension is poor.

Pete is "with" Janny and all his cigars are rolled at My Father.............. Even if were not from Jose himself, I trust Pete a lot more than I trust you. Please stop pulling hairs, my point was Maduro is a color (regardless how its achieved) not a flavor. Jamie please try to have a great weekend Beer
ZRX1200 Offline
#44 Posted:
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Wow.

No matter how it's achieved?

What wrapper does the Partagas Black have? Is it maduro or oscuro?

*buzzer*

It's just Medio tempo. Boiled to achieve a dark color. Not a MADURO color......

Is this the only quote from Pete? Or the only one you liked.....Even your lord and savior PJ said it. It's a process of aging longer and it IS DONE at higher temps. It's a process of fermentation.

"The process doesn't matter" reckless

Ok. You tell me there's no difference in how a maduro tastes then? You tell me you would willingly purchase painted maduros? Do you like brown lips?

"He does"
PJ


You're a fool and wrong and you've shown that, we're done.
danmdevries Offline
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Wow. Why the hostility between you two?

Maybe you both should join my maduro ass for a camping trip.
themunmypaw Offline
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Good thing colorblind people don't label cigars. Otherwise they'd all be maduro or connecticut.
Palama Offline
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Back on point:

Falcon - to be a little more specific with the Fuentes, if you enjoy the 8-5-8 Maduro then try a Hemingway Signature after that. It's the same Corona Gorda size as the 8-5-8 so your smoking experience should be closer. If the SigMad gets your stamp of approval then an Anejo #46 would complete the Fuente tour.

Fair warning, although I circle back to the 8-5-8s every once in a while, for me, I'd rather ash up a Signature or a #46. They have more of the chocolate / coffee profile that I enjoy too. You also should know that they're a little harder to find as well as being pricier so getting hooked on those two may frustrate you as well as dent your wallet a bit.
jespear Offline
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Palama wrote:
Back on point:

Falcon - to be a little more specific with the Fuentes, if you enjoy the 8-5-8 Maduro then try a Hemingway Signature after that. It's the same Corona Gorda size as the 8-5-8 so your smoking experience should be closer. If the SigMad gets your stamp of approval then an Anejo #46 would complete the Fuente tour.

Fair warning, although I circle back to the 8-5-8s every once in a while, for me, I'd rather ash up a Signature or a #46. They have more of the chocolate / coffee profile that I enjoy too. You also should know that they're a little harder to find as well as being pricier so getting hooked on those two may frustrate you as well as dent your wallet a bit.



I have a few Hem Sigs sitting in my AF tray.
Think I'll fire one up tonight to see how it compares to the 858 Mad and 858 SG.
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